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A Three Prong Approach to Parkinson's Disease
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There are a lot of videos on that page. Here is a link to the actual video:
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There are additional sources of toxicity that cause Parkinson's, in particular, permethrin, which I documented here:
Parkinson's and Pesticides
Yes!! Thank you. He is one of my husband's doctor. (I tried several times to go right to the link.) My husband is loaded with poisons,
p b, I don't know if by posting this video you're endorsing this guy are just supplementing bepo's post.
I'm leary of the video because some of his claims are exaggerated and others untrue such as his unequivocal claim that L-cysteine, melatonin, and co-Q10 will stop the PD progression, "dead in its tracks." (and fortunately for us these ingredients are in his 'Quickstart' powder which we can buy for $64 per tub.) We know, for sure, that's untrue, as is "...injecting stem cells in the spinal fluid might reverse the disease."
He doesn't say what's in its Quickstart powder, but makes a lots and lots and lots of claims. Lots of claims.
Doesn't pass muster with me.
He is one of our doctors. George's PD has not progressed. We stand by , and so do other doctors, his supplement recommendations.
I did not have the patience to watch the entire video. Thanks for doing so and letting me know about this. I will edit my prior comment accordingly.
I do get his "Second Opinion" newsletter. It has been okay - he gives references to medical journals for the claims that he makes there. I was in error to assume that would carry over to his video.
When you stated, you hadn't read the ingredients in the quickstart powder, how do you know the supplements he was suggesting were in that powder? George takes the supplements Shallenberger recommends: lithium oratate, L-tyrosined, 5-htp, melatonin, L-cysteine, co-Q10, melatonin powder, magnesium, CBD, and has been every since his diagnosis. We buy them from Vitacost.Shallenberger's powder is a multi vitamin.You haven't taken those supplements, how do you know they won't stop the progression? Could they have helped you?
You might want to study stem cells in the spinal fluid for PD. We looked into it several years ago , with another doctor, but decided to wait until there was more information on the first guinea pigs. We felt at the time it was viable, but haven't revisited it.
When was your husband diagnosed? In one of your posts I thought you wrote it was 20 years ago. And Marc wrote that the powder doesn't say specifically what is in it, not that he didn't read the information.
The powder is a vitamin powder. He assumed it had the other supplements that Dr.
Shallenberger suggested. It does not.
Someone else asked if my husband had PD for 20 years. He has had it for 8.
I take most of those, just not the lithium, yet. Dr Laurie Mischley talks about lithium. I feel like I'm holding my own with PD and my Dr is happy with where I'm at. I still work part time, no huge issues, feeling pretty good. My ProPD score shows I'm barely progressing, been 3 years.
bepo, if this stuff works for you and your husband, that's terrific. Keep taking it.
I was concerned because he doesn't show the backside of the label on even a single product, so there's no way to know for sure what's in it.
It's not like the malpractice issue is an allegation. He pleaded guilty to an instance that cost a person their life.
I do not doubt that there is some nutritional benefit to some of the stuff he sells. I just like to know what I'm paying for.
Absolutely.
Have any other doctors been charged with malpractice? We think he is a great doctor. We think the world is a better place because of him.
Fact: alternative doctors are targets. They are a threat to pharma. No conspiracy theory; fact!
Dr. Shallenberger 'invented' prolozone. That is a therapy that helps with joint recovery. I was always an athelete and have two degenerated knees. I was told I needed two knee replacements. I, instead, have had several prolozone shots that have improved the function of both knees. Prolozone is comprised of ozone.
Why is he allowed to practice medicine ? Did he misdiagnose someone? Do other doctors sometimes misdiagnose their patients?
You stated you hadn't read what was in his multi vitamin powder, yet, you claimed the supplements he suggested were in there. I beg to differ. George has taken the supplements Shallenberger has recommended and we buy them from Vitacost. They are not in the powder. The supplements he suggested are for PD patients. Have you tried any of those supplements? They work for George.
We considered the stem cell treatment, but decided to wait until there was more evidence it worked. That was several years ago.
I have and do take several of them. I do not doubt that many of them provide some benefit to some people.
He's a supplement salesman and like other supplement salesman, he hypes the benefit of the ingredients in his products without telling us how much of each we are buying.
In and of itself, does not make him a bad person.
Again, if the stuff works for your husband, wonderful.
There are a lot of supplement salesman who sell powders and do not identify precisely what's in the powder claiming it's a "proprietary formula" like "Dr." Grey of Mars and Venus fame -- whose super smoothie reversed what he calls his pre-Parkinson's (even though there's no such thing as pre-Parkinson's.)
I don't buy super powders.
Everyone needs to determine what works for them. All I know, is that George is doing very well.
All Supplements have to have labels on them. He should have stated what is in his supplement powder. Some doctors do not want ingredients from China, and or decide that, through their research, they could make a better formula. For a multi vitamin, we use Life Expectancy.
We started with Dr. John Gray's formula. It worked, and then we experimented with higher doses. George has remained on the current dosage for about two years.
George is off the charts in Organophosphates (DEP). which we are assuming came from Agent Orange in VietNam. We are working to detox with ozone and infrared saunas.
How is ozone therapy administered?
Ozone is administered with a trained physician and the proper equipment. The physician removes blood and then injects it with ozone. Then through the same IV, it is processed back into the person's body. The 10 pass Major Autohemo therapy is the gold standard. That is when the blood is processed 10 times. You can also get equipment through Longevity Resources to do it at home. It won't be as effective as quickly, but, my understanding is that it just takes longer.
bepo:
"George is off the charts in Organophosphates (DEP). which we are assuming came from Agent Orange in VietNam."
Your assumption is incorrect regarding DEP and Agent Orange as was your assumption that oxygen and ozone are the same.
Agent Orange was an extremely toxic herbicide compromised of 1) 2,4-D and 2) 2,4,5-T in basically equal amounts.
Your statement that you can detect DEP (OP) in the blood is also questionable. You can use the test " plasma cholinesterase activity" but DEP is rapidly hydrolyzed by the liver. IOW, contamination is not detectable after a short length of time. (OP test kits for water purification are NOT applicable).
Genova claims to have a "urine" test for prolonged exposure to OP chemicals as what is found with farm workers. I see nothing in the scientific literature to support their claims. It is obvious from a bio-chemical point of view that organophosphates degrade rapidly when exposed to sunlight and air, so it seems this test is questionable at best.
Vietnam banned 2,4-Dichlorophenoxyacetic acid (2,4-D) sometime in 2017 along with the notorious paraquat.
The most commonly used DEP product today is probably Malathion ( a mixture of 2,4-D and glyphosate). Washing clothes or cotton gloves contaminated with DEP after spraying does not remove it.
Sharon
I think his name is "dicamba" and not malathion which is an insecticide always from the phosphorganic series but this is irrelevant. The point is that detoxification is something made difficult by the fact that toxic substances accumulate not only in the cell vacuoles but also in the adipose layers and remain there for years. We must therefore find a way to dissolve contaminated fats and return contaminants such as the Orange agent which is also a hormone to stimulate the roots so that it can be expelled with sweat and urine.
Gio:
I agree with your proposition. The difficulty which has remained unsolveable since WW2 is how to remove these toxic substances over years of use and accumulation and do it effectively. (let's not confuse chelating heavy metals like lead via Glutathione and NAC IVs or with DMSA versus attempting the same with chelating chemical toxins like TCDD).
One toxin, TCDD/dioxin (which was not part of Agent Orange nor is it classified as a herbicide, but is a contaminant arising from 2,4,5-T) can remain in the body for many years as you allude to.
Unfortunately for PD patients, some of these toxins can pass across the BBB into the brain where nothing can remove them or restore the damaged brain to its original health or slow the progression of the damage once it begins. It simply won't and can't happen.
Since at least 19 US states allow the agricultural use of herbicides and pesticides, I believe we haven't seen the last of this problem or PD.
Sharon
That's not my understanding about the blood brain barrier.
bepo:
I have no idea what your understanding is, but here is mine.
The BBB has only two primary functions as illuminated in numerous microbiology studies: 1) to allow beneficial and nutritive molecules to enter the brain from the PNS; and 2) to prevent destructive and toxic molecules from entering the brain and damaging or destroying its "permeability" and "plasticity".
As we age, become diabetic, or live with high BP, or encounter CONSISTENT exposure to toxic chemicals particularly in aerosol compositions, the BBB degrades often resulting and creating extreme levels of oxidative stress frequently found in PD and Covid-19 patients.
Does a correlation exist between extreme Agent Orange exposure and PD? Sure.
Sharon
As an addendum to the AO causing PD in US vets situation, I understand Congress is voting on it or will vote on it shortly. Until now, PD has not been a disability allowed by the VA related to AO even though they allow 14 others.
Median age for Viet Nam vets is 68-69 and predominantly male, which is exactly equivalent to the PD population. So is it truly AO or a combination of factors?
I am sure MBA Anderson can tell you more about the vote and what it may mean.
Sharon
Thanks, Sharon,
George is 75 and has already been receiving benefits from the VA, and has been for several years.
Sauna can detox organochlorines; the problem is that people with autonomic dysfunction cannot tolerate the heat. That's where IR comes in. Spirulina should be consumed to assist the elimination of the unbound organochlorine chemicals.
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There's also EDTA suppositories to help detox.
I saw this when researching glutathione/melatonin suppositories. What kind di you reccomend? They also added activated charcoal.
We used IV calcium EDTA. It is more expensive. We used KeLATOX - to detoxify heavy metals. I had a hard time opening the individually wrapped suppositories. If you want your heavy metals tested, you can do the IV EDTA and then send a 12 hour urine test to Doctors' Data.
I'm a really hard stick-veins blow. Can't do IV myself and have no medical support. Has to be dermal, oral or other "body cavity."
Does Doctors Data require a prescription for urine tests?
Not familiar with MMS or CD.
You have to go to a doctor for the prerscription for EDTA and also to do the IV. Doctor's Data processes the urine test.
Have you heard of MMS or CD? That has been proven to help autistic children. Maybe it would work for you? 
Thanks.
That's right, Finns use to whip themselves gently with branches of fresh birch leaves during the sauna. They release many vitamins on the skin which they say detoxify by having lipid-dissolving properties. I tried once there in the north and it makes a difference, but I don't think it resolves the PD lesion, since it is precisely an lesion.However, it is better not to take toxic substances and ionizing radiation because even in small quantities they hurt because they accumulate in the body. Bepo do not worry in my opinion the thiamine will be enough to slow down the PD I have been using it for almost 5 years and continue to work.
I love that it has worked for you, Gio. His lip tremor has stopped. His cognition has improved. I see these subtle differencs in him. I think the world needs to be grateful and to honor Doctor Costantini.
I believe the Finnish (Sauna) approached involved more the "therapeutic" alteration of heat and cold than the use of the birch twigs/leaves (used supposedly to improve circulation like "dry brushing" that is also used to do so). The alterations do require a significant amount of time ( 15-20 minutes each supposedly).
Wim Hof is the best known proponent of "cold therapy" (no sauna). He also uses quite a bit of his specific "breathing" strategies. Whether or not his approach would reduce the progression of PD is questionable, but certainly possible.
The blog , SofPD, discusses his method and its possible application to PD. I don't follow this blog, but other than some of the blog's nonsense, he provides a good list of relevant studies, but NONE relevant to PD. So what IMO. Should we dismiss all studies focusing on MS simply because they deal with MS? I don't think so.
Hot or cold or both are probably worth doing if you can handle it or have access. Same probably goes for combining light therapy and sauna. I don't see why not.
Sharon
No! the sauna is used for sweating and the birch leaves contain vitamins and minerals that "dissolve" the subcutaneous fats by recirculating the toxic substances so that they can be expelled, all while drinking a lot with salt and potassium to replenish the liquids. A very high temperature is not necessary. Absolutely no cold. It takes a medical permit to do it, I think.Not it has nothing to do with the PD.
Never heard of your theory. (doesn't mean it doesn't work). Perhaps I need to learn Italian.
I understand the antiseptic nature of the birch leaf. Didn't know they contain both vitamins and minerals that can transfer to your skin and then into your cells. Interesting. It must take a lot of beating.
I always thought Finns went into the moist, hot (175 F or higher) sauna for a substantial period of time then followed up by drinking a cold fluid then followed by dunking themselves in the snow or cold stream or lake. So it sounds like the Italian use of the sauna is different than the Finnish.
Knew the leaves contained vitamin C, etc. if brewed as a tea. The sap when tapped like maple syrup makes "birch water" which is healthy. Nothing much in the literature to support birch leaf or sap use however.
Alternating hot and cold therapy is discussed in the literature.
Sharon
I have also read that submersion in cold water can cure depression. You have to keep submersing for life? There are other entities that could contribute to depression, i.e. diet.
As a farmer I used all the known pesticides, including pure nicotine in the greenhouse, but the worst was DDT in the house and radiation when I was a kid. So it affects everyone. Detoxification is a very hot and interesting topic, but it is an experimental and ideological field for this reason I am vague and I will not go further. 😃
Thanks, Sharon, I don't remember whether it was a blood or urine test.
In general, almost all of these "toxicity" tests are URINE. The big assumption here in testing the urine is that the toxic molecules are continually released via the urine since the toxic molecules are stored in fat tissues of the body for a substantial amount of time. Then are slowly released via the urine even though they are stored in the body's fat. A big assumption.
It would seem more logical to me to test contamination via a urine test within a very short time of presumed contamination. 10-20 years later seems questionable although with enough tests (1,000s) over time a lab could generate a "probability" table that would suggests the probability of contamination (assuming they can link these probabilities to a specific disease/condition outcome).
Sharon
GPL does only urine.
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