I had a short phone conversation with a good friend who worked the last 3 weeks on the Yale (USA) Medical Center ICU Covid-19 floor. Yale is certainly one of the best university medical centers in the world. He was "drafted" given the turnover of physicians stressed out on the ICU Covid-19 floors since his background is internal medicine-clinical research, not clinical care as in ICU, ER, or pulmonary.
His take (not mine):
#1 "Recoveries" are a misnomer for those who come out of ICU with or without intubation. Most individuals who left my care in the ICU alive seemed seriously disabled to me regardless of whether they had underlying illnesses or not. I didn't see much of a connection as most studies suggest.
#2 We (Yale's protocol) always use hydroxychloroquine for anyone on oxygen. I did not see any positive results similar to those reported in France or what President Trump was alluding to. We give it in the hope it sometimes works. It doesn't seem to be the answer. (Possibly because it was given too late-Sharon.)
#3 We(Yale) are also part of a remdesivir trial. I don't see why Fauci sees this drug as a "standard of treatment" or even effective; it wasn't from what I could see or from the doctors and nurses I talked with about it. I wonder why he is pushing it so hard? Sounds like the FDA has nothing else available which would mean we are not out of the woods.
#4 Most of my patients are just treading water.
#5 I don't think I have accomplished much.
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It wasn't my place to mention or discuss OT in that phone call.
We have discussed OT on this forum several times. Here is my recent drill down.
#1 Court Prohibits Dallas Health Center from Touting “Ozone Therapy” as a COVID-19 Treatment
A federal court entered a permanent injunction halting a purported “ozone therapy” center in Dallas, Texas, from offering unproven treatments for coronavirus disease (COVID-19), the Department of Justice announced today.
#2 a report from Italy:
"Professor Luigi Valdenassi, toxicologist, University of Pavia, explains, "I want to specify almost all these patients experience improvement in hypoxemia in a short period that stabilizes their breathing and the creatinine becomes normalized, which is important for function of the kidneys. Oxygen Ozone therapy could contribute to the prevention of intubation and acute renal failure, both complications of COVID-19, resulting in the need for ventilator support via a breathing tube and dialysis requiring Intensive care unit support."
I'm not sure what he means by "almost all" (see below 2nd SOOT report). He does specialize in the general application of OT.
#3 "According to the second SIOOT report (Italy) on therapy applied to 46 Coronavirus patients, over 84% showed a significant improvement in clinical conditions. What clearly emerges is that oxygen ozone therapy is most effective especially before intubation." (it is best when applied very early-Sharon).
I found they needed to intubate 11 patients out of the 46. Four(4) of the intubated patients died. It appears to me that they should have dropped the improvement rate down to 76% which is still very good.
#4 No US clinical trials exist or are upcoming with OT specifically related to SARS or HIV. Rowen and Robbins as well as Sunnen have presented "theoretical" papers on OT's hypothetical value for SARS and other viruses.
Dr. Rowen has some advocates in SIOOT, but his credibility is somewhat limited given some of his historic claims for OT and Ebola without publishing any data. Convenient memory lapse.
Personally, I think OT deserves a real, full bodied clinical trial with a decent design that precludes end stage intubation as the cohort. That type of study is almost worthless because the outcome is almost a given. Nothing works consistently with that cohort.
If you're looking for a double blind study on Ozone Therapy, you won't find it. If you are looking at anecdotal information, see the above. If one is proposing a treatment that is non-pharmaceutical, because of extreme expense involved in those studies, the results of any testing are usually anecdotal. If it Ozone Therapy cures 5 out of 5 patients, without harm, why not?
It (OT by Rowen) didn't cure Ebola in W. Africa as I have said repeatedly before. He and his associate wrote a theoretical paper which is found in PM without any concrete clinical evidence to support their theory. So did Sunnen back in 2003. The Italians (see my previous post on this) have tried it recently but I can find no publication in a per reviewed journal, so I have some doubts as to their claims.
When one is stuck in a realm of beliefs that can only be substantiated or not substantiated by papers, then that's your right. If I get any symptoms of Covid, I will be using ozone. What will you do? Will you wait for substantiation? Do you have time?
We are so fortunate. We live in a town of 700 full time residents. The next town has 4,000. We have an MD, who was trained in pharma, surgery. He used traditional, alopathic medicine did not cure. He looks at nutrition, ozone and different modalities to treat chronic diseases. He has treated and helped so many people with ozone.
We helped a man in our town, who was on hospice care, on oxygen 24/7, and non-ambulatory. We told him we would give him a year to help improve his condition through ozone, and support.. He was on 3 narcotics and 25 medications. He, when given a list of side effects, made a choice to gradually get off his medications, which were causing his problems. He changed his diet. We helped him wean of Narco, Fentenel, and Methadone. He now has normal blood pressure and is healthier than he has been in years. He feels too embarrassed to tell his doctor, who continues to regulate him.
He did cure Ebola. The power of pharma removed the two doctors from Sierra Leone after they were successful. Ozone Therapy which has been used in the United States since 1980's is so powerful at killing viruses and bacteria, that it certainly won't be promoted by the pharma/medical community. It will definitely cut into their bottom line. Pharmaceuticals don't care about curing people, they want everyone on medications and vaccines for life. That's where the money is.
Loss of memory, or confiscation of his records? There is a video showing the happy dances by the red cross workers in Sierra Leone after the quick recoveries of all 5 patients with Ebola.
Sharon, I am reading a book, "Plague of Corruption Restoring Faith in the Promise of Science" by Dr. Judy Mikovits and Kent Heckenlicely, JD. It might be of the utmost interest to you.
This is written on the book jacket
"This rampant corruption...hides from the public scientific truths which might go against corporate economic insterests" Dr. Luc Montagnier. 2008 Nobel Laureate for the issolation of the HIV retrovirus.
I met Judy once years ago when she was working at a private virology lab (I think it was in Nevada). Subsequently she got into trouble with the owners of the lab over some of her research conclusions related to CFS (chronic fatigue syndrome) which was a big deal at the time. She did some sloppy research work (her findings couldn't be replicated) which cost her the position she was in. She failed to grasp the implications that her work couldn't be replicated.
Whether she is correct about her XMVR virus theory is another issue entirely which has garnered her some attention since then.
Her belief that the pharmaceutical industry is corrupt in the sense it is all about money and about dismissing alternative and complimentary treatments and distorting medical school education is partially correct.
No one (as of yet) is forcing anyone to take drugs, take the flu vaccine, or avoid a healthy diet and exercise...or get an M.D. degree.
I believe her central thesis with XMVR is very simple: all current vaccines are contaminated with extraneous viruses due to the XMVR but, (and a big but), they are then replicated over and over again in a barrage of contaminated vaccines.
Therefore, these contaminated vaccines cause more disease and health problems than they eradicate.
I'm not a big fan of Judy. Some of the things she has said such as the use of "low dose interferon-alpha" will cure all covid-19 cases is pure conjecture on her part. Sure, Stroher et al did a in vitro study back in 2004 claiming that interferon-alpha inhibited the SARS-cov-1 virus. But Covid-19 is a very different SARS than what we knew about back in 2002-2004, and we are talking about human lives here, not test tubes.
Judy is a Ph.D. molecular biologist. Find a medical center willing to start a clinical trial to prove your perspective Judy. Good luck.
Franzini therefore anticipates some data collected by the various hospital structures and contained in a report that will be disseminated: “We have taken as reference 40 patients - he explains - some of whom have followed drug therapy combined with oxygen ozone therapy, while others only normal therapy Drug. Well, this is what we noticed in patients undergoing 'double' therapy in a week: the blood sugar, which Coronavirus immediately raises even for non-diabetics, thanks to oxygen ozone therapy has dropped by 50%; creatinine, important for kidney function, has improved by 60%; lymphocytes, which indicate our antibody response, grew by 100%; PCR, an acute phase protein produced by the liver and released following inflammation, decreased by 50%; the D-Dimero, the value that indicates the percentage of having vascular thrombosis, dropped by 54% "
I try not to use or look at percentages. Using percentages can be very misleading.
I looked at his data or from the other Italian OT doctor. I couldn't tell very much from what they provided although it seemed on the small, selective sample of confirmed cases it was reasonably effective. I doubt it did much once the patients progressed into the ICU/intubation stage.
From my earlier comment about Italian OT and its ability to treat severe cases: "I found they needed to intubate 11 patients out of the 46. Four(4) of the intubated patients died. " We can assume that most of the mild to moderate cases were discharged and were considered "recovered".
So in all of 5 days total (the time they spent in SL) in 2014 they cured Ebola in Sierra Leone? Which continued to spread all of that year and well into the next? They did so with minimal supplies and equipment? No additional staff or support?
In contrast to your view, The government of Sierra Leone declared themselves Ebola free multiple times in 2015 only to see new outbreaks. Finally, in March of 2016 after employing several strategies unrelated to OT, they declared themselves Ebola free.
They did cure Ebola in 2014. When they were successful curing all 5 patients, they were ordered to leave the country by The Minister of Health Why? If a medical doctor in the US states he/she cured a disease with natural, non-pharmaceuticals, they can lose their license.
If I remember, Rowen grossly overestimated his capabilities and definitely underestimated the difficulties. Neither he nor Robins (a dentist no less without field or clinical experience of any kind) had any experience in working in "African field conditions in primitive facilities or non-existent ones" (my quote - Sharon).
I don't know if they were asked to leave ( doubt it). They just left after 5 days of not accomplishing much. Actually, I imagine both were overwhelmed by their lack of field condition experience and lack of expertise or knowledge of or with the West African Ebola situation.
At the time, I asked myself: "who are these docs kidding?" Well intentioned for sure, but grossly incapable. It was a farce.
Certainly, you are free to believe what you want to believe. I saw the actual videos of those that were cured of Ebola after the two doctors showed the Sierra Leone doctors how to apply ozone. They have since been removed.
We can agree somewhat on that issue. Although you must admit, we have had numerous CTs on non-patentable supplements, vitamins and minerals. So why no phase 1 CTs by Rowen and Robbins? Probably because 1) they are incapable of undertaking a CT, and 2) they couldn't get approval from the FDA due to the possibility of causal mortality and legal costs unless they could show otherwise. They and others who support their perspective have had plenty of time to do so. No show.
Right now, the DOJ (see my previous post on this issue) and FDA have restricted (prohibited) the use of OT.
Even (some but not all) naturopaths have rejected it: " The California Naturopathic Doctors Act, passed in 2003 and amended in 2013, does not permit the use of any gas. Thus, it is illegal to administer ozone to patients. Technically, it is also illegal for licensed naturopaths to administer oxygen."
Mortality? Everything I have ever read about ozone states there is no harm. If one accidentally inhales it, it can be uncomfortable for a while. It can cause coughing. That's it. It cures so many things, it is being blocked by pharma. We have been using it for years. I have prolozone shots in my knees which help my arthritis.......a much better choice than a knee replacement. We have used it to detox chemicals and glyphosphate. It might be helpful with MAHT to clear out the junk of agent orange that caused my husband's parkinson's. When you go to the cause of the disease, rather than treating the symptoms, you can cure the disease. Hopefully, that is the case with PD.
Ozone if inhaled can be fatal or can cause serious lung damage with long term exposure even at 50 parts per billion (EPA Guidelines). Granted, Dr. Robins uses "Direct IV OT" which he claims is safe and which he used in Sierre Leone in 2014.
Whether individuals without competent supervision can use his technique is something I seriously wouldn't recommend. Infections from inappropriate or incompetent use of an IV is common. You would also need an OT syringe, an oxygen tank, concentrator, regulator and ozone generator, etc.
Can OT "chelate" metals? No. It isn't logical.
Can OT improve neurological diseases like PD? Possible, but unproven.
Do you need to drink plenty of water (hydryation) with Direct IV OT? I am sure it helps.
Is it necessary to utilize vitamin C continuously? Makes sense to avoid oxidative stress and to avoid damaging veins.
With IV OT will ozone reach the gut? I doubt it.
Are IV OT and IV vitamin C diametrically opposed? I think they can't be done together.
Is 10 PASS OT (German technique) or MAH OT potentially dangerous? Probably can cause hymolysis, and would be possibly a health risk, but who knows for sure?
What about OT saunas? Probably beneficial under the right circumstances (concentrator, not a tank) and using a serious mask! I would think a reasonable alternative to IV OT>
I disagree. We have been using an ozone sauna for years, and have made it available to others with chronic condition, who have had excellent results. No mask. Ridiculous. We have an ozone generator and an oxygen concentrator. We wrap a towel around the opening in the sauna so to inhibit any ozone leaking into the room. Years ago, I inhaled some ozone accidentally, and coughed for a couple of minutes. Ozone on steroids is to be inhaling supplemental oxygen while in the sauna. We will be continuing using ozone, that has been around for 100 years. When we take an ozone sauna, we put a white towel on the seat. Others do the same. It absolutely chelates toxins. Samples of the towel that showed residue at the end of a sauna, as well as samples of a clean section of the same towel were sent to a lab. Heavy metals were excreted. The lab proved it. The fastest way to heal with ozone is through MAHT. Saunas take longer. The company we purchased our sauna from is Longevity Resources. Others we know have purchased theirs from Hocat. Everyone has to chose their own way to heal. I believe there are 3 causes for most diseases: toxins, malnutrition and stress. We are working on getting rid of the toxins that caused George's Parkinson's.
Good luck. Let me know your progress with George. I hope you succeed. If you do, by all means write it up as a "case" study, and If done well enough, I will see if I can get it published for you. Make sure you keep meticulous, objective notes, measurements, tests, and observations as to his progression.
You make multiple claims as to you and your collegues's use of OT and its effectiveness. Publish the results across a reasonable range of cases. Show it working with validating data to support your claims.
If your study is worthwhile, it will get published somewhere.
I would start by contacting John Weeks at The Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine to see if he is interested in your work with OT and what you could send him.
It is not my job to conduct a study. Who will pay for it? Studies are expensive....especially for non- pharmacueticals. What counts is that it works. If you are looking for a quarter, and only a quarter, you might miss the prize, the silver dollar.
I would like to post my hypothesis(s) for PwPs and long term implications for them if infected, but it would be too depressing.
1st in essence, if infected, the neurological degeneration inherent in PD will progress more rapidly. 2nd, The more severe the infection, the greater the degeneration. 3rd, this degeneration will not be reversible.
Unfortunately, PwPs (and all neuro diseases) are a high risk group given my hypothesis.
Thanks Sharon. Interesting, if unsurprising regarding easy-fix cures.
The remdesivir information fits the Chinese findings and seems more likely. I've given up trying to understand "odd" official guidance from the USA.
Does "recoveries" in the stats only refer to ICU and intubated? Or is it hospitalised? Or positive diagnosis?
I don't know any intubated people personally, but my nephew was in hospital for a week on oxygen, and like the UK's illustrious Prime Minister, after 3 weeks has recovered - or rather is continuing to recover, and the same applies to a friend who wasn't hospitalised but probably should have been (UK) and a neighbour who was on oxygen but not intubated (France)
But its no joke - and I suspect Boris realises that now, and no longer rates herd immunity via infection as a viable strategy for tackling the pandemic.
"Does "recoveries" in the stats only refer to ICU and intubated? Or is it hospitalised? Or positive diagnosis? "
Recovery refers to a positive diagnosis across a spectrum of symptoms which can vary considerably between hospitals based on each medical facilitity's protocol.
Thank you. I was aware that it is a term used in the John Hopkins data, and I was thinking of that. Yesterday there were 256336 recovered in the USA. If i had rftq I see he is referring to discharges from ITU. And of course his personal experience. Boris Johnson would appear to be an example of a contrary, more hopeful experience in that context
I'm not going debate this issue with you. It was a comment from my friend at Yale, but just look below at a few headlines or excerpts from articles. (No, I'm not going to cut and paste the citations for you.)
1) "Remdesivir shows promising results for coronavirus, Fauci says" .
2) Here is another one: ""The data shows that remdesivir has a clear-cut, significant, positive effect in diminishing the time to recovery," Fauci said..."
3) "Dr. Anthony Fauci said results from a clinical trial of a drug for treating the COVID-19 virus has shown “quite good news.”
4) "Dr. Anthony Fauci said results from a clinical trial of a drug for treating the COVID-19 virus has shown “quite good news.”
Sorry I called you out for your completely incorrect statement. I work in a world where that type of comment is unacceptable. Forgot this forum is not of that world.
"White House health advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci said Wednesday that data from a coronavirus drug trial testing Gilead Sciences’ antiviral drug remdesivir showed “quite good news” and sets a new standard of care for Covid-19 patients."
And another one:
"“This will be the standard of care,” Fauci, a White House advisor on the pandemic, said during comments from the Oval Office. Fauci said the results, which have not yet been peer-reviewed, prove “that a drug can block this virus.”
Supposedly this trial is just starting, but i don't know why. A blindfold attempt to pin the tail on the donkey.
They will likely test both Avigan and Futhan together. Two (2) arms and presumably 4 cohorts. One arm combining both drugs versus the other with Avigan alone.
Of course, if you believe this toxic virus is just another form of influenza, why not? Abe loves it and is pushing it like Trump pushed HCQ and Fauci with Rem...
Hope the cell biologists who claimed this theoretical effect withCovid-19 aren't running the human trial and pregnant women are excluded.
Egypt? Really? Of all places Egypt? They can't even report accurately. Why not Paraguay or Somalia? Perhaps the Falkland Islands.
Thank you so much, Sharon, for your posts, from the Front Line.
It's so realistic, and short (and not drifting into emotions), that's what I miss a lot of times.
That will keep me in mind, that I, working totally not on the Front Line , an in a country with good healthcare, a lot of place, and since 3 weeks decreasing infections rates >>> I still
have to be careful !!
Nevertheless, I hope you keep on boosting your Vit. C , A , levels. And try to get in the sun
everyday for an hour. Gargle a lot (ev. with warm salt water (Japan !)) and have enough zinc lozenges at home.
(and try to look the videos of Dr. Klinghardt (a bit spectacular , o.k.) who has some experience with Corona, but not at the front line.).
Tons of respect for what you are doing and stay healthy !!!
P.S. : aren't there some medical teams who investigate the use of hydroxychloroquine with high doses of zinc ??
"aren't there some medical teams who investigate the use of hydroxychloroquine with high doses of zinc ??"
YES. See 3 CTs I cite below. Not the greatest, but a move in he right direction.
#1 Clinical trial with HCQ and zinc will begin in a hospital in Tunis(?) A Study of Hydroxychloroquine and Zinc in the Prevention of COVID-19 Infection in Military Healthcare Workers (COVID-Milit)
#2 Clinical trail will begin at St. Francis, NYC, Hydroxychloroquine and Zinc With Either Azithromycin or Doxycycline for Treatment of COVID-19 in Outpatient Setting
#3 Istinye University...clinical trial, Proflaxis Using Hydroxychloroquine Plus Vitamins-Zinc During COVID-19 Pandemia
Per HCQ:
NEJM came out last week with a report on HCQ, but no zinc...
"Hydroxychloroquine, failed to help patients at New York-Presbyterian Hospital, based on a report released earlier this week.
Researchers studied nearly 1,400 patients and 60% of them were given hydroxychloroquine within 48 hours of arriving in the emergency room. They did not benefit from the drug."
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