Wine and Beer

Hi ladies ,

I have been reviewing my diet which has been very hard work to stick to! But i am pleased to say im doing well.

I have cut out all foods with refined sugars and tend to cook everything myself in order to make sure that no salt , sugar or additives are in my meals.

I have not been drinking alcohol at all because i read that it will turn to glucose in your body and it also prevents the regular secretion of estrogen.

I really want to have a few beers or drink wine occasionally. I miss it , but will not have it if it will jeorperdise my health.

Have you cut out alcohol totally ? Or do you allow yourself to have a glass now and then?

Just wondering how other ladies are dealing with it .

Many thanks

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  • I haven't completely cut it out, but I have reduced how much I drink. It helps that my hubby doesn't drink any more too.

    Well done for making those dietary changes.

    Yosh x

  • Not cut out drink the cancer had took enough of me so still go out and drink and enjoy myself mybe to much lol xx

  • I haven't cut out drink either I still go out regularly - prob too much too - and enjoy myself with my friends and hubby, we have a great social life and I'm not prepared to give that up! Nurses say it's fine to have a drink. I think we can all be too careful and if drinking really was that bad we'd be warned not to have a drink under any circumstances.

  • I think the bigger issue with alcohol is because it affects the functioning of the liver whilst the alcohol is in your system. Because it's a detoxifying organ and alcohol is actually a 'poison' your liver has to prioritise it's functions and starts detoxing the alcohol. This means that it's not available to be involved in the function of converting glucose either into storage or out of storage. Hence when you've been drinking you tend to find that you get hungry (your liver doesn't convert glucose out of storage because it's otherwise engaged). Then you eat high carb or high fat food (kebabs or such) to get your glucose.

    I enjoy a couple of drinks one night a week (by a couple I do mean two). The rest of the time I don't even fancy alcohol. I've just discovered the joys of kale martini (seemingly my own invention that involves having a very good blender).

    I am interested to know how you feel now you've changed your diet and your approach to eating. I did it a couple of years ago and whilst I still occasionally have a bit of cake I found that my energy levels improved and I generally felt better. Whether it affects the cancer is irrelevant for me as I want quality of life. So I've stuck with the better diet for that reason. And that's why I enjoy going to the pub quiz once a week with friends and having a little alcohol then.

  • A kale martini?! How do you make one of those? I bet it will hit the trendy bars very soon ๐Ÿ˜„

  • Turns out however you want.

    It started with me making green smoothies to use up the kale/cabbage/spinach that comes in my weekly veg box. Some were lovely (generally if they have banana in too), but some were blah. So I started drinking them in the garden from a martini glass to try to sex them up a bit.

    Then I figured that a martini glass should really have a nip of gin it it.

    Ahh, but a martini involves vermouth too I hear you cry. Well vermouth is fortifed wine with 'botanicals' and you could make your own recipe for it. So now I have a kale and fruit mixer with gin and selected herbs and spices. A lovely bright green gin based tipple from a martini glass on a Saturday evening. And hey, today's Saturday, with a pleasant forecast this evening.

    Join me in a toast this evening. Any drink you want but in a fancy glass. Here's to being the best we can be today. Chink.

  • Love it! I will try something similar with my next juice ๐Ÿธ๐Ÿน๐Ÿ˜Š

  • I cut alcohol out completely but I was never that into the taste so no great heartache for me!

    Clare xx

  • I am the same as Clare,

    Never really liked alcohol so not having it doesn't bother me that much at all!

    In saying that have you every read about a project called Blue Zones? A professor did a huge study of areas of the world where people live longer and where there are less incidences of disease such as cancer and heart disease. He looked at various different aspects of their lives including food and drink and developed 9 lessons on how to live longer. Lesson number 6 is quoted below!!!

    6. Wine @ 5

    People in all Blue Zones (except Adventists) drink alcohol moderately and regularly. Moderate drinkers outlive non-drinkers. The trick is to drink 1-2 glasses per day (preferably Sardinian Cannonau wine), with friends and/or with food. And no, you canโ€™t save up all weekend and have 14 drinks on Saturday.

    bluezones.com/2016/11/power-9/

    Dx

  • I've just read the article and it's very interesting and if you think about it, up to a point, it's how our parents and grand parents lived but with probably much better living conditions and food. Not a bad philosophy to adopt โค๏ธXx Jane

  • Good question, Lollie. On my first recurrence I decided to take a radical review of my diet, and in December I cut out alcohol completely, avoided refined sugars, cut down on dairy and red meat, avoided gluten, upped the veg etc. My main reason with the alcohol was exactly what Katfish says above: I was going through chemo and taking in all that poison, and I didn't want to overload my liver.

    I spoke to my lovely GP who was so sensible. She said going gluten-free was totally unnecessary, with no evidence for its benefit unless you have a real allergy. On the alcohol front, I proudly boasted that I no longer drank wine. She looked me straight in the eye, and said "do you miss it?" In her view, it was not the Demon Drink, but helped with quality of life.

    I've come back from the brink of extremism re my diet now, and I do have a welcome glass of wine or two on a Friday/Saturday. I guess it's finding out what works for you, as you've got a number of different views from everyone already .... x

  • Exactly how I was first recurrence, radical fun strangulation, but then the rope broke and I got on with living.

    xx

  • If I fancy a drink I have it. My body is over producing oestrogen, which is why they believe I have recurred again, hence the potential hormone therapy. I think a little bit of what you fancy does you good, tomorrow is promised to nobody. Tonight it's a chinese take away for me, next week it's my birthday and it will be Prosecco time in France take two lol.

    I still have high dose vit C, turmeric but not high quantities, apple cider vinegar, but at the end of the day if there was any one thing that could be done or taken, it'd be making headlines all over the World.

    Relax and enjoy

    LA xx

  • I found I didn't like the taste of wine (or chocolate) for two of the weeks while having chemo and could just about manage a glass in the week prior. I still liked the idea of having a glass of wine though and would often pour one but end up throwing it away. I made a number of changes to my diet following diagnosis although I'd never had fast food or prepared meals anyway and had eaten relatively healthily. Not veggie but not too much red meat either. I swapped cows' milk / yoghurt / cheese for goats' milk products and / or soya equivalent. After a couple of months I realised I didn't really like the taste as much and slowly gave that up. The only lasting change I've maintained is I now eat more nuts on a regular daily basis. Prior to diagnosis I only really had nuts at Christmas.

    I do have wine now, perhaps one small glass a day, sometimes two, and sometimes none at all. I think it's fair to say I now drink less than I used to but that might be more to do with tiredness.

    All the best whatever you decide.

  • I've cut alcohol out completely now, I have developed a yeast intolerance so alcohol really doesn't suit me, it's purely a need for being physically comfortable thing for me + I have lots of cysts in my liver and as alcohol is toxic to the liver I need to detox as much as possible or else it gets painful, I do miss a glass of Chardonnay on a Friday but hey ho. If we go out to eat with friends I have mocktails which are generally quite yummy especially the mohito ones ๐Ÿ˜‹. I no longer eat refined carbs and no more bread (yeast ๐Ÿ˜ฌ and also a flour issue ๐Ÿ˜ข too), the veggie and fruit content in my diet is really high, I still have dairy 1% milk & low fat cheese, goats cheese is a delight and I eat most meats and lots of fish. If I fancy chocolate I have some 70% cocoa solid chocolate so only need a couple of pieces and I'm happy. I cook everything from scratch so there are no hidden salts or sugars in my food. I drink lots of water but still have cups of tea and an occasional coffee. I've bought a jawbone which counts steps, sleep etc and try to do 10,000 steps a day + I've taken up cycling again, I've become really boring but I feel so much healthier than I have in years, I've lost a stone without even trying and plan on carrying on with this regime for as long as I can as I actually enjoy both it and the results. Yikes I think I've become a bit of a health freak ๐Ÿ˜ฌ๐Ÿ˜‚ โค๏ธXx Jane

  • Hi. I too did the panic post diagnosis turn practically vegan, eat organic, no dairy, no refined sugar etc etc. Now I'm coming to my senses. I agree with what was said above about diet being something that would be all over the headlines if it cured cancer. There are many suggestions but nothing conclusive .

    Don't get me wrong I am still sticking to my healthy regime, just not with the fanatically panicked zealousness I had initially. For example I (yesterday) looked up about vegetarians and vegans and cancer rates. Bizarrely vegans have higher rates than moderate meat eaters. That put it in perspective for me. No point being bonkers about it. I can go manic about a restrictive diet which may help but is not proven. I love cheese for example so do I want to spend what time I have left denying myself life's food pleasures?

    I am still aiming to be as organic as possible and have cut down my meat/poultry intake. I try to eat only organic meat but am not going to panic and view normal meat as poison. I am not being zealous about avoiding every tiny grain of refined sugar but will go for a sugar free or non refined sugar alternative if I can. Dairy is in major moderation and cheese will be mainly goat's once I've finished chemo.

    I am currently writing this whilst having a glass of wine. A few days ago wine tasted foul following chemo but tastebuds are recovering from the zapping thankfully! I realise I previously drank far too much (habit, stress and socialising) but am of the opinion that life is there to be lived so if I fancy a glass of wine every so often then I will. I agree with not overloading your liver/body with toxins whilst on chemo though.

    I think it is important to do what is right as an individual. My mantra will be to be as healthy as possible with a bias towards veggie food but I need to enjoy life so little treats should be allowed. There is no information that I have found about not having alcohol whilst on chemo or recovery but again no sense in having lots!

    I admit I'm intrigued by the kale martini but quite honestly I have enough kale in my diet now without using it in cocktails! I need to find a way to incorporate turmeric into my diet post chemo so maybe turmeric cocktails could be the most interesting way?

    I hope you find the right balance of diet and life that works for you.

    Em

    X

  • Hi Em. I note that you say that you will be having goats cheese post chemo. Is there a reason you don't eat it while having chemo?

    Jenny

  • Yes. I'd love some but I love soft goats cheese and unless I can find a source of pasteurised stuff it's a no. The diet info given for chemo by my oncology team basically says no soft cheese (like the foods to avoid when pregnant). I queried and it's to lessen potential infections due to impaired immune system. ๐Ÿ˜•

    Same goes for bio yoghurts etc which I was surprised about but hey a small sacrifice.

    Did you get a do and don't eat list too?

    Em

    X

  • Hi Em. No I wasn't given any information on foods to avoid at all! I have finished chemo, and am now on Avastin, but ate goats cheese and bio yogurt throughout my treatment. Fortunately all was well, but it does make you wonder why different areas advise different protocols. Are you in USA, as I have noticed that they have more stringent dietary advice than in the UK?

    Jenny

  • No I'm in the UK. Success though! Just researched and found that Tesco soft goats cheese is pasteurised so guess where I'm going later!! ๐Ÿ˜€

  • Hurrah, I love soft goat's cheese especially baked in the oven to have with a salad.

    Jenny

  • Oh dear...reading your post with beer in hand...my bad! ๐Ÿบ

  • I'm reading it with a glass of wine and a bowl of popcorn!!!

  • I initially cut out wine and went on a bit of a health kick, lots of smoothies. I tend to eat pretty healthily anyway. Never been into cakes and biscuits and love salad and veg.

    I take a few supplements and generally just have what I fancy now. I love my prosecco but just have it at weekends. I did down many cocktails with friends last weekend though. ๐Ÿน๐Ÿธ๐Ÿน๐Ÿธx

  • Hi. I was never given any dietary advice from my oncologist so did a bit of reading myself re diet etc, and generally tried to make sure that I ate healthily. ( I was vegetarian, so pretty healthy eating anyway.) I also did some reading about women who had "beaten" cancer, and some had stuck to a rigid anti-cancer diet, and some had carried on exactly as before! Personally, I am trying not to eat too much processed sugar but since fruit is high in fructose and carbohydrate is converted to sugar in our bodies, I don't sweat the small stuff, and still drink wine when out with friends and family. I think the jury is still out on this one, but note that in USA cancer patients are given quite stringent lists of what they can and can't eat, but from following an American forum I am not convinced that this is leading to any more remissions. The important thing I think is that when I make dietary changes or add supplements to my diet, I feel that I am being pro-active in dealing with my cancer, and am not just handing over all responsibility to my oncology team.

    Jenny

  • Personally I liked my pre cancer life. It has taken 2 holidays from me which I shall make up for soon. I shall not change my way of life including diet as I do not believe that it changes anything. I have not let it rule my life or diet so far and aim to keep it that way. Just my view.

    Fay

  • I use to love glass of cold white wine but have gone right off to be truthful frightened of how it may affect me as. I have been on steroids but off now going on hol shortly so will prob treat myself. Best wishes to all

  • Emysmits - a good way of incorporating turmeric in your diet, look up Golden Milk on the internet- there is a recipe where you make a paste with powdered tumeric, ground black pepper, ginger powder and cook it for 15 minutes. Add honey to taste and store in jar in fridge. You then add a spoonful at a time to almond milk, or any milk you choose, heat and have as a bedtime drink. It is lovely and very soothing to the stomach.

  • Thanks. I shall give it a go. X

  • I have not drank alcohol since I was diagnosed in the Autumn of 2012 . Everything happened so quickly with me , surgery, diagnosis,chemo six months had passed and it occurred to me that I hadn't even though of or wanted a drink. My husband has a drink at the weekends and it still didn't register with me . I've never gone back on it but I've taken up a new hobby Chocolate need I say more Kittie

  • One of the first things I asked my doctor and oncologist was whether or not I could still drink wine. They both said it was ok. So I have a glass most nights. That is my only guilty pleasure, and I am not giving it up. Even the info about my chemo and immunotherapy said that it wouldn't affect the function of the drugs. So enjoy yourself!! Everything in moderation!! Kim xx

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