So, Trump has announced to the world that he is now taking hydroxychloroquine has been for a couple of weeks . He’s ‘heard it’s good’. I cannot wrap my head around the level of sheer ignorance and disregard for his nation - absolutely incredible!
OMG- outrageous: So, Trump has announced to the world... - NRAS
If the consequences were not so alarming, it would be funny. I try to get my head around how one person can believe they have superior knowledge to the history and development of medical science, however flawed, but I can't. How can anyone believe this ?
To gain a second term as president is paramount, irrespective of the potential damage to one and all. Yet people keep supporting him.
Oh wow Sylvi that’s interesting to know. Months ago (when this covid nightmare started) I asked if anyone was on it that tested positive for covid and no one responded yes. (I got a lot of “I know I had covid but wasn’t tested) but no one actually tested positive. That’s interesting to know. Thanks!
That’s strange as not only have no big enough clinical trials been undertaken to date, that show anything conclusively but there is no evidence that it would prevent anyone contracting the virus. This drug has been proven not to be effective in preventing / treating influenza or any other viral infections. I understand the logic in considering this, as well as a number of other drugs that suppress immune response etc, but I’m amazed that this information would be given at this stage by a UK consultant to his patient.
Well, you live and learn xx
Well he has interests in a pharmaceutical company!!!! Unfortunately everything he does is for his own good. Now he blames Obama for lack of ventilators( he left the cupboard bare)Obama was an advocate for national health care which Trump was very vocal on denouncing. It’s always someone else’s fault.
Just an FYI, the reality of Obamacare is that the price of insurance increased causing many people to be forced to drop the insurance they had and instead pay Obama’s fine for not having insurance. You can’t believe everything you hear or read in the media. They all seem to have an agenda of their own. I am a US citizen and our current president is an embarrassment to be sure. Our two choices in that election were both hideous.
We have friends that moved from UK to US about 4 years ago. I asked them “what about the US do you like better then the UK” they responded “I know you pay so much for health insurance here but the difference in the quality of care here vs. there is unbelievable” she said “my sister had a knee replacement in UK and they barely gave her any therapy and sent her home and didn’t care who was home to watch over her, my husband had one here in US and I cannot believe the amount of care and physical therapy and facilities he went to for rehab and made sure he was going home to a house that someone else was there to help him” (these people are very wealthy) so I said “well can’t you pay for a better doctor in the UK to do the surgery or hire how you want? And she said yes but it’s complicated then he can’t operate in the hospital and it gets sticky. So I ask my boys soccer (futsol) coach from UK the same question and he answered the same way.
I'm not saying the NHS is perfect, it has its flaws. But because we pay for the care in our taxes the NHS can provide free care to anyone in the UK regardless of their bank balance.
You can have anything from an ankle sprain treated to a liver transplant, and no medical bills. Regardless of who you are and what your income is.
But that wasn't the point of my original reply. I meant that I feel for you guys in that you have someone in power with no medical qualifications giving medical advice and also, if I had lupus and RD and was in the US, I just couldn't afford the medical bills. So as much as it has its flaws, I know that I feel grateful for the care that I receive. Although it can be frustrating at times.
I have relatives who moved from the the UK to the US and are on a very good health care plan, funded by his employer. They live in eternal fear of his employment being disrupted, or his well controlled type 1 diabetes becoming troublesome and affecting his long term ability to work.
They sing the praises of the NHS.
Most people get health insurance through their employers. When I was a teacher, I paid a nominal $40 per month for my insurance. Different employers provide different insurance benefits. It has become part of the decision of career choice here. So not everyone struggles. If they would just leave the part alone that works and tax only for those who need it, most of us would be receiving great medical care.
I’ve visited The States, NY, Vegas, Washington, but I haven’t lived there so I’m in no position to comment on it’s healthcare arrangements. However, I am qualified to speak on the NHS. Over the years I have had to avail myself of it’s service. In 2004 I was ‘blue lighted’ into A&E after suffering a heart attack. Within 8 minutes I was commencing treatment by paramedics in the North of England. The NHS saved my life. In 2008, whilst in the presence of HM & Prince Philip, In London I had a similar episode. Again, I was ‘blue lighted’ in for surgery. The NHS saved my life. In 2012/2013 I had full bilateral knee replacement in an NHS hospital. The care & physio aftercare I received was 5 star. I’ve also been treated in private, expensive establishments, courtesy of my company health scheme (A perk of the job). The doctors were no better and the care, no better, it was slightly posher with an en-suite loo! When the chips are down & your life depends on it ‘posh’ is no substitute for quality of care. My parents were ecstatic to have access to and share in an equitable healthcare scheme that we now take for granted. The NHS is a beacon to the world and should be defended by everyone who has the luxury of access to it’s indiscriminate care.
I never had health services other then the US so I cannot say either. This is just what someone (who was the President of Verizon (cable company) so I’m sure they had access to very good healthcare in the UK also. And this is also what my boys soccer coach (who doesn’t get paid very well) also said after living in the US for about 3 years. I hand a sitter for my children from Poland that had a sick mom and when she needed an operation she would say “I have to go to Poland for a week and bring gifts to my moms doctor before and after the operation so he does a good job.” I found that strange. And when my daughter studied in Florence last year she needed a doctor’s note to get out of class to spend the day with us and she went to the doctor assigned from the school and said her throat hurt. The doctor said without giving a strep test “oh my that is one of the worst strep throats I have ever seen” and gave her a prescription. I know these are isolated incidents, but here if a doctor had to be bribed he would be in jail and you cannot give antibiotics without confirmation of the sickness.
I didn’t want it to sound confrontational either, I just love to ask questions about other countries healthcare to try and understand it better. We have our own business so I get hit with $25,000 a year for my family’s health insurance. It makes me so mad. But I also can go to any doctor, any specialist anywhere I want to for any reason pretty much the same day I call. They say if we had universal healthcare our taxes would sky rocket and we would not have the doctors like we do now. That’s why I ask people who have lived in both places because I so want to understand it. So confusing. Oh well stay healthy!
I have been following this with amazement that a President weighs in on a so called cure for covid 19.
My own experience was plaquenil was brilliant when I first took it for my rheumatoid quite a few years ago and after a couple of years, my rheumatologist wasn’t happy with my joint swelling and doubled my dose.
Well within a week I had a rash that looked like I had fallen into a blackberry bush, and when I had bloods taken, my bleeding factor was affected. Immediate cessation and then onto methotrexate which has been good for me.
I think it’s really dangerous for an influential leader of the US telling people what to do medically.
I also feel for the patients with medical conditions like RA and lupus on it trying to source it presently.
It’s really irresponsible of their POTUS.
Actually there is some truth behind it that it is being used to treat covid 19 world wide thus why there are some shortages. Most likely why he has jumped on the bandwagon to start taking it. There was also a misinformed couple who believed the cloriquine not Hydroxycloriquine from a liquid cleaner was the same type and drank it the husband dies and the women was very sick.
Whilst there have been clinical trials to treat with HCQ he's not taking it to treat, he's taking it to prevent, quite different. Also, a large scale clinical study in the US, said to be the largest to date (1,400 patients whereas prior studies enrolled no more than 100) has shown it's failed to show benefit in treating moderate to severe Covid-19.
The Hydroxycloriquine is showing to work against the inflammation , the moderate to more serious cases are showing micro clotting. Here in EU are standards are much higher in comparison to drug regulations. Where they approve use of drugs there we would not approve here. That would also apply to their Clinical trials too. Inwould focus more on Oxford university testing currently researching a vaccine and companies like Roche who well versed within Europe.