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Eiram50
Eiram50

I actually had to rewind the tv, thinking I hadn’t heard correctly!

Trump talking about disinfectant, wiping out the virus - turning to presumably medical advisor at his side and asking, could we do that? Could we maybe inject that?

WTF?! I actually thought I’d heard it all!!

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I know!! Surreal... It's really scary to think that he's meant to be the leader of the free world 😱😕

Nansea74
Nansea74
in reply to Boxerlady

Just wanted to say that The president is human. He is under a lot of difficult times, especially these last 3 years with nothing but negative remarks. He is doing his best for this situation and he can make mistakes. While Nancy P is eating tons of ice cream in her $24,000 refrigerator and not supporting those who need the help they need.

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to Nansea74

You are absolutely correct in that, like any world leader, he will be under enormous strain and have to make difficult decisions, sometimes with little time to consider. The same as any leader.

However, that does not excuse his suggestion that injecting disinfectant may be something to consider?!

Lilmo1
Lilmo1
in reply to Eiram50

As much as I like Trump and I do, he has come of with some idiotic statements of late ref this virus, he named tablets that would wipe it out also the name ends in quine, they are toxic if given to a diabetic and will not have any effect on this virus.

I think it's very serious to state things in the broadcasts as the governments are giving updates to us their public, without finding out the details of such things it's very flippant of Trump it's best he say nothing about cures rather than give one of the cuff as some will believe him seeing hes the President of USA.

Our government UK have never come of with statements such as those and never would.

Come on Trump your letting your credentials slip badly, I personally am very annoyed at this.

Shame some people will believe him...

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to allanah

And we have seen this with various medications he was stating were a potential ‘cure’ - it’s incredible to think he is president

Pippy25
Pippy25
in reply to Eiram50

Best leave it to the medical experts Mr. Trump.

Nansea74
Nansea74
in reply to Eiram50

The President can only let us know what he is told. Did anyone think maybe some of those people are giving some different info to make him look bad

Pippy25
Pippy25
in reply to allanah

Sadly some people will and in their despair, ignorance, frustration and belief will end up either hospitalised or another sadly to say premature death. Very disturbing and worrying to hear.

AgedCrone
AgedCrone
in reply to Pippy25

Manufacturers of bleaches & disinfectants in the US are putting out messages saying not to take any notice as their products are poisonous & dangerous if ingested in any way.

Just imagine the law suits if anyone does come to any harm .

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to AgedCrone

Just crazy

Ahh hes probably got a shares in some disinfectant company x

J1707
J1707
in reply to patsymay13

😂😂😂I’m afraid your right

He is a total buffoon.

Reagan was not bright but he listened to his advisers and was a brilliant communicator. Trump does neither and I feel embarrassed for the world and especially for Americans. He tries to “big himself up” the whole time but it just shows him up as not understanding what the hell is going on.

Let’s hope he fails to get re-elected in November.

J1707
J1707
in reply to Lolabridge

Unfortunately I think he will do a second term. Maybe our USA friends can tell us more

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to J1707

Good help us all!

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to J1707

At least two terms is as much as he can do!

J1707
J1707
in reply to Eiram50

He’s done enough with one !

J1707
J1707
in reply to Eiram50

Wish he would get a lockdown haircut 😂😂

Mmrr
Mmrr
in reply to J1707

A corona cut?

allanah
allanah
in reply to J1707

My friend in new York she fears he will be voted in again

Lolabridge
Lolabridge
in reply to allanah

Nooooo!

My American friends say the same too 😑

I’m a US citizen and that man is an absolute embarrassment. I’m afraid he’ll get re-elected. I can’t understand how supporters can watch him on TV and hear the crazy, stupid sh** he says, and then thinks he’d be/is a great guy to lead the country. He was not elected by the majority of Americans, he lost the popular vote by about 3million, he was elected through the electoral college. I’m hoping that some of the at risk people in his “camp” wisen up and swing the pendulum out of his favor by fall. I don’t think the nation or world or environment can take another 4 years of his policies and idiocy.

I always feel like I need to apologize being an American now. He’s horrifying. And an absolute wreck. He may only be good for reality tv and should have stayed in that realm. He is no leader.

No need to apologise. 💗. Just hope he doesn’t get re-elected but. I’m not sure.

Nansea74
Nansea74
in reply to J1707

I live in the USA and I am pleased with how he has managed his years. Although thru all this YOU don’t hear all the negativity he has gotten since elected. The other side of the room has done nothing, no support. The News Journalist are just out there to make him look bad. He is fighting for all of us , not just the rich and famous.

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to Nansea74

Ok.

He doesn’t need journalists to “make him look bad”, he does it on his own and to himself. And I couldn’t disagree more, his first and only priority is enriching his life and his own power. he does that through his policies; he only throws a bone to the small man to keep getting what he wants. He doesn’t do it because the average person is his priority, it’s because it gets him what he wants. I don’t believe anything he does is for anyone but himself. I’ve always voted Republican, until Trump. He is a disgrace. And the party has become equally disgraceful. It makes me sad and quite sick to my stomach.

Lysol maker urges people not to drink or inject disinfectants to treat coronavirus after Trump suggests using it as a possible treatment

dawkin_S
dawkin_S
in reply to Deeb2908

I saw this - what times we live in, eh? Especially liked the bit where they had to say their products should not be administered into the human body "through injection, ingestion or any other route" The mind boggles!!

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to dawkin_S

Truly mind blowing!

J1707
J1707
in reply to dawkin_S

I have a friend who works in A&E and one in gyny unprintable I’m afraid 😳😱

AgedCrone
AgedCrone
in reply to dawkin_S

Most people in the UK don’t realise that the majority of Americans, apart from those on the Eastern & Western Seaboards have never left their home State. The % who have a passport is still below around 50%.

To those in the central States of the USA ...their Président can do no wrong .....so the likelihood he will be re-elected is really quite high.

The entire UK fits into my home state.

Considering that the US is the size it is with more diversity in natural beauty than Europe many Americans don't feel the need to leave our borders.

We have enough to see in the states to last a lifetime for those who can't afford international travel. Your EasyJet and RyanAir ticket prices are laughably cheap and cost less than a 10 minute taxi ride at my home in DC. We have interesting cuisines, fabulous museums, great music, theatre, and movie productions. Our national parks are unequaled. comics

FYI, passports have only recently been required to travel to Mexico, Canada, the Caribbean, et c. I doubt Canadians stats for International travel is that different than the US.

All said, I've been to Europe more than 100 times at an average of 3 weeks each trip. Most everyone I know travels the world, not just central Europe.

Btw, all countries in North and South America citizens are technically Americans. Some of other countries take offense to bring discluded.

You are quite wrong with: To those in the central States of the USA ...their Président can do no wrong .....

I would really like to see your evidence of this. You've said it often and you are absolutely wrong.

Your disparagement towards "Americans", meaning The United States of America is noted.

Oh dear OP.....we all have a right to our opinions...I have lived in many States in the US & I speak from my experiences there including living on Cathedral Ave NW in D.C.......as you say...an expensive town.

The UK just proves the point that small can be beautiful....bigger is not always better. ....just different.

Your dismissal of Europe is sad....there are beautiful places to see both in the UK & on mainland Europe.

I love visiting the US, I have family there & health permitting I visit often.

I was not criticising your country I was giving my experiences of living there. ...& the people I have met & worked with there.

Your response is quite .......... territorial ? As I said it is my impression of visiting & living there over the last 60 years.... if it doesn’t meet with your approval .....C’est la vie !

Why has he been voted in then? He will possibly get to serve another term even after proving to the world he is an idiot- why can’t Americans see it?

lovemydoggy
lovemydoggy
in reply to pootle2

He lost the popular vote ( by 3 million I think), but unfortunately whoever wins the electoral college wins. This needs to change. Sadly, his base seems to support him in whatever he does. These people are overwhelmingly watching Fox News and blindly believe that BS. I don't have any friends who are Trump supporters, but sadly must admit some extended family do support him. They live on the other side of the country and we don't have contact other than Facebook. I'm embarrassed to admit it!

actually the reason of the electoral colledge is so the bigger states ( greater population cannot dominate the smaller states .

It was originally, but doesn't represent the population properly now. Then there's the subject of gerrymandering. I won't even get into my rant on that, but it stacks the cards for sure.

The American population is getting much more cosmopolitan...back in 1990 apparently only 4% of Americans held passports.....now it is around 42%.....But I wonder how many of that figure were born elsewhere, then became American Citizens?

None of my American relatives were born there.

In England & Wales 76% of people have one....Scotland is looking forward to having it’s own passport ...I can’t find any figures for how many people living in Scotland have passports....maybe I didn’t look hard enough?

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to AgedCrone

Some Scots have two!

AgedCrone
AgedCrone
in reply to Eiram50

Pre Brexit I thought of applying for either a French (Grandmére) or Irish ( Grandpa) Passport...but having looked at all the information they both needed...I stayed British...the way things are not progressing...it might have been the right decision!

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to AgedCrone

Understood.

I have british and Irish as my parents are from Mayo.

AgedCrone
AgedCrone
in reply to Eiram50

Cork,& Britanny!

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to AgedCrone

Fantastic heritage 👍

One thing is before 9/11 we didn't need passports to travel everywhere. Mexico, Canada, islands in the Caribbean didn't require one. At some point post 9/11 things began to change. I've been to all those places with no need for passport. Just cross the border from California or Washington. Fly to Jamaica or whatever island you wanted. Of course, that was never the case for Europe and other countries.

I’m in NY. How was your pension before corona? We are a small business so I don’t have a penguin but my IRA was fabulous!! Under Obama we shut down a business under trump we are flourishing. I’m glad he’s not a lawyer I’m glad he’s not a politician. Do I think Obama is a better speaker of course but that’s not what I care about. Run this country where Americans flourish for once!!

BonnieG123
BonnieG123
in reply to Twinboys

The poor don’t flourish.

Twinboys
Twinboys
in reply to BonnieG123

There will always be poor and there will always be wealthy. I just never want to see the middle class eliminated because that would be horrific. They will end up with the poor.

BonnieG123
BonnieG123
in reply to Twinboys

Can’t win with that type of thinking.

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to Twinboys

They will end up with the poor......

He didn’t win the popular vote, he got the electoral vote. So more dislike him than like him. The electoral college is meant to protect against a few geographic areas dominating the outcome of the election. It’s also how Bush2 got elected over Gore. I can see the merits of it, but it also frustrates me as a citizen.

As an American that has travelled abroad, I do strongly believe more US citizens should see the “outside” world. Certainly there is an abundance of beauty and culture in the USA. however, there is much to be learned by travelling g to other countries (and even within our own nation) so as to fully appreciate other governments and even our own responsibility and oneness in the world.

So I can’t say I agree with OP that there’s no reason to travel abroad that there is everything one needs to see here.

Biofreak
Biofreak
in reply to AgedCrone

Think you're right AC. You only have to look at the Americans protesting against the quarantine to see how that may happen. They are probably the same people who voted for him.

I'm pretty sure you're right on that Biofreak. Georgia opened their state up today. Horrible, you know there's going to be a lot more infection.

Yes I know. But hey they've got their freedom. Let's hope they can hold on to their life!

Yep. Although, I did see today a lot of businesses aren't opening up. Then again I saw pics of people getting their hair done. No masks either.

Well it's on their own heads. Pardon the pun. I think they will only take it seriously when it happens to them. My daughter's boss has just died of this killer virus. He was a good man who did a lot of good for the youth in the community. My friend, a careworker, just tested positive and her husband. This virus respects no-one. Let's see if it respects fools. Sorry, don't mean offense, just being sarcastic. Best wishes to you. Hope you stay safe.

I'm sorry to hear that. The awful thing about opening up early is these fools are going to spread it everywhere. I hope they don't cross state lines. And no offense taken. I'm pretty sarcastic myself. 😁 You stay safe too!

Hahaha. Yes sarcasm, another British trait. Thanks for that. 🤣

Twinboys
Twinboys
in reply to Biofreak

Nope! The protesters are in Michigan a democratic state. The democratic governor got corona virus thanked trump for on national tv for helping her get the hydroxychloroquine or some kind of drug and she recovered immediately. Because she thanked him the protestors came out. This is the problem here. Whenever someone agrees with something that trump does they are attacked.

AKDellitt
AKDellitt
in reply to Twinboys

I recognize FoxNews talking points...The protesters are not democrats - they carry Trump signs...They are wilfully ignorant people who believe their "rights" have been taken from them because of the shutdown. I mean, how will they survive without getting their hair and nails done? It would be comic if it weren't so dangerous. These people who carry guns and dress like American flags and/or extremely out of shape storm troopers are the same people who call themselves survivalists and proclaim they are ready to take on the military if the government tries to take their guns away. That they can't handle staying home during a pandemic because their roots are showing and can't visit their favorite pizza parlor is hysterical. They disrespected nurses who stood silently in protest - screamed vulgarities at them and got in their faces. Yet, they will be the first to beg healthcare workers to save them if they contract the virus. We want them to have to carry cards stating not to give them medical help. Why should our frontline medical workers have to risk their lives trying to save people who purposely gather in large groups without protection?

Twinboys
Twinboys
in reply to AgedCrone

I’m from New Jersey/New York area. Although trump is a bit wacky, our economy is unbelievable (pre-corona). We have (had) two small businesses. Under Obama we had to shut one down and almost close the other. Thank God for trump we are doing great now. Caters to the people who work and not the lazy people who don’t. To fly a couple states away can and usually costs $300-500. We are from Italy (parents born in Italy) there you can go to another country nearby for $75. Big difference.

BonnieG123
BonnieG123
in reply to Twinboys

Shame on you that the money you get is more important than the lives of people. I live in your area.

Twinboys
Twinboys
in reply to BonnieG123

That’s the problem. People say something any you don’t actually read what it says and you twist it around!!! How dare you accuse me of wanting money more then people living??? I want everyone to live ok??? Now on to running a country—-it needs to be run like a business and finally it’s not a lawyer /politician doing it. Again I put my children before yours but I put your children before someone from a different country. And don’t tell me if your child and another were drowning you would save the other child before your own?? That is the only thing I am saying. DO NOT twist my words around.

This is interesting. It's how we get into arguments about politics. I see how BonnieG123 inferred that, but also Twinboys what I get from you is you are a person who is probably a conservative and a nice person. As a fairly left leaning liberal I have opposing opinions. I'm not a business owner and haven't benefited from Trump's administration. I don't have your experience. Everyone has different experience, values and opinions. Basically most of us are good people I think. While I might diagree with your politics if we ever met in person we might be good friends. So just an observation regarding this thread basically. You know, how we all behave as humans.

Agree but my views on most other things (guns, abortion) are liberal. These issues go back and forth and have been forever. Therefore I have to do what actually affects me and that’s the economy. And yes being a small business owner is an entirely different ballgame. I presently and since Obama started Obamacare pay $26,000 a year for health insurance for my family. Trump hasn’t been able to change healthcare at all because the House won’t pass anything. These are the things that infuriate me. Like I said I have many liberal issues but my family comes first and economy is what has been great pre-corona while trump has been in office. And I’m sure we would be friends.

Shalf
Shalf
in reply to Twinboys

I think everyone all over the world should think about being in someone else's shoes before things are said. Everyone's situation is different and humans will strive for survival and happiness in their own lives and support whatever helps them achieve that.

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to Shalf

Well said. And very true x

Twinboys
Twinboys
in reply to Shalf

Agree completely!! Stay safe and healthy!

lovemydoggy
lovemydoggy
in reply to Shalf

Absolutely Shalf!

Yeah, that's kind of of what I meant. I think you've summed it up perfectly! We all have different viewpoints. On the gun issue I support the right to own a gun. Of course, I believe we need major gun reform. I'm one of those who've benefitted from Obamacare, but others have really gotten screwed over. I love the idea of Medicare for all, but don't think it's feasible. The amount of money it would take would be astronomical and it wouldn't be the billionaires paying for it as Bernie says. Sadly. Anyway, I could prattle on and on, but to sum it up WELL SAID!

happytulip
happytulip
in reply to Twinboys

I agree that family does come first. But in the greater scheme of things, if you take the view that if you look after your neighbours (rich or poor), you are also looking after your own family. You never know when your family might need help, and one day your neighbours who you have taken care of might just step up and take care of you and your loved ones.

That's how I like to lead my life. Watching out for others.

And right now, if I social distance/shield and follow guidance then I am not only protecting myself but I am also protecting my neighbours and my NHS family on the front line. Those that flout the social-distancing rules and go on to infect others have blood on their hands, in my opinion.

And it angers me that my NHS family are then exposed to even more risk because someone just wanted to be selfish and do what they wanted and not was in the best interest of the nation.

It is awful of people to not be responsible right now. In the US we have a spot on TV that says "Have you accidentally killed someone today?" That's how people need to look at it. Same goes for buying N95 masks. In the beginning of this you could get them. I was appalled. No one should deprive healthcare professionals of proper PPE.

I never saw that spot on tv, it should be on every channel!! Some people just don’t take this seriously enough.

Yes it should. Can't remember where I've seen it, but I've seen it a lot. Scary how many people don't take it seriously. I am amazed some are still saying it's no worse than the flu

AKDellitt
AKDellitt
in reply to Twinboys

The House? You actually mean the Senate, don't you? As of right now, Mitch McConnell has 400 bills passed by the House sitting on his desk. He's blocked votes on every one.

AgedCrone
AgedCrone
in reply to Twinboys

You used the wrong airline...Newark/Lax$150!

Twinboys
Twinboys
in reply to AgedCrone

Now maybe but certainly not before Corona!

AgedCrone
AgedCrone
in reply to Twinboys

Yep....that was last summer booked through a travel agent ...not online.

Right now ...sadly the only flights we can take out of the UK are to places nobody in their right mind wants to go!

AKDellitt
AKDellitt
in reply to Twinboys

Obama inherited a recession and saved our economy. He left Trump with the economy in good health - and now look at it. Fox News strikes again.

Maybe people respond as such because too many idiots believe he can do no right and those people have, and will, hurt America while trying to prove it!!!

Don’t get your point?

Me either.

My American friends via FB and those family and friends who have emigrated there say exactly that, so I know there are a large proportion who don’t travel.

I worked in Pennsylvania way back in the 1990’s & only one out of the 12 people in the office I worked in had a passport.

They all had good jobs & finance wasn’t the problem....just the fact they didn’t get many days paid annual leave...they were amazed that in UK 4 weeks holiday was quite common after a qualifying period.

😱

I cannot put the word I use for him on here !!! He is one completely. I live in amazement, that he has any kind of following. X

Deeb2908
Deeb2908
in reply to Gigi71

My American clan are in despair even the ones who voted for him!

Absolutely! Yes!

That gives me hope. I live in a republican state, there is no question my home state will re-elect him. Thankfully, we don’t really matter in the scheme of things. But I’m surrounded by Trump supporters. He’s an embarrassment.

I’m not surprised Deeb, anyone with half a brain would realise what a sham he is. My dear cousin who lives New Jersey, cannot bear him or any of her large family either, her husband won’t have a word said against him. Strangely I also use this word for him. They have lived in America for over 50 years. X

allanah
allanah
in reply to Gigi71

My american family in Boston are the same and NO JOKES EVER about Trump to them , they go mad!!! I said we joke about our politicians all the time!

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to allanah

It’s almost cult like in their following - even the most uninformed person would have to question some ( most!) if his statements

wishbone
wishbone
in reply to allanah

Americans in general do take their politics very seriously and don't appear to like anyone poking fun at them or their country, especially if it's a foreigner doing it. They are the polar opposite to us lot when it comes to joking about politicians.

happytulip
happytulip
in reply to wishbone

But surely it's not wrong to question such utterly dangerous rubbish coming out of their leader? Surely people don't just accept what he says. Do they not question their leaders and debate?

You can support a politician and vote for them but it doesn't mean you have to agree 100% with everything that comes out of their mouths. That's why open and honest debate is important. And with that will naturally come a few bits of banter?

I'm writing this in a truly questioning manner. Do the politicians not get the mikey taken out of them at all?

My American friends tell me that they believe everything that the President says because the President is the President and wouldn't be in that position if he didn't deserve it.

Then I think about our politicians and the questioning that they get put through on Question Time, Newsnight etc. And then there are the jibes on Have I got News for You or the Last Leg?

Do they not have programs like this in the US?

wishbone
wishbone
in reply to happytulip

US leaders don't appear to be questioned to the extent they are in the UK, and Trump even less so, and there seems to be a genuine fear of retribution among members of his party if they did question him. That said, apparently many of his supporters are criticising him this time but it would be truly extraordinary and even more worrying if they did not.

As for programmes like 'Have I got News for You'. I'm not familiar with US TV, but have seen clips of programmes with US compares taking the mick of politicians though probably nothing like the degree they do in this country.

We don’t have a question time. When Trump has had his feet held to the fire in his “news briefings”, he’s lashed out at the reporters personally that have tried to hold him to it. He’s a horrifically demeaning human being. I don’t understand how people can support him. But his followers are very much cult like. I’ve compared him and his followers to the rise of Hitler. I use that comparison to say I think he is dangerous. He’s dangerous to the people that make up our country and to the free world. Of course, a Trump supporter would say he has made life great for the average person. I don’t see it that way. He’s made it great for the white, Christian people. He has disparaged disabled, women, Chinese, Mexican Americans, Muslim, etc. as a result, children and adults of these faiths and nationalities have been harassed and fear for their safety. It is reprehensible. He encourages hate and divisiveness. He’s just a horrible human being. For the record, until Trump, I was a registered republican. When he got elected, I went Independent. I simply can’t be a part of a party that has sold its soul.

Lowest unemployment in the history for African American, Spanish, and women and also white people who should not be left out just because they are white. The problem with US media is every single channel is democrat and they do not say one thing positive that he has done not one thing. That’s what the other countries hear. They twist it to a negative spin and put it out there. I literally cannot watch any news channel because when I tell you if you lived here you would go into depression and never get out of bed. It’s just negative negative negative and how bad trump is and he sucks and he’s doing a horrible job. I literally can’t watch all that negativity. I do chose to watch Fox because at least I hear the passive things even if you don’t like Fox News at least they have some pretty intelligent doctors on from all over the country and economic strategists. I like to surround myself around positivity. When I tell you no matter what he does “lowest black unemployment” they will add “but he’s racist and hates black people and once fired a black person and another black person was sexually harassed at his hotel by a chef from the restaurant” And by the time it gets to the UK all you hear is “he’s racist”

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to Twinboys

With respect, you cannot state it’s the media when the words are coming from his own mouth, for all the world to hear?

Twinboys
Twinboys
in reply to Eiram50

You just said “anyone with a modicum of intelligence” then you say “you’re not insulting anyone’s intelligence” do you see how that happens? People read into thing even if it’s exact words that come out of their mouth. Regardless I have view on both sides of the fence. Just want everyone to be healthy and this virus to be gone. Don’t want to turn on the news and hear nothing but attacks and negativity from reporters and don’t want to be attacked if I say something positive about trump. There are plenty of things I don’t like about him but I’m glad a US president if finally putting the US first as should yours put the UK first.

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to Twinboys

I hear your views. You’ve heard mine. A natural end to our conversation perhaps?

Pippy25
Pippy25
in reply to Eiram50

Here here Eiram, I think this has gone way beyond the original thread was intended. Take care x

Fox news isn't Democrat and they've got a huge audience. They put a very conservative spin on the news. MSNBC is, admittedly, quite liberal and put their liberal spin on the news. CNN, while certainly not right leaning, does present factual information. They also are guilty of hype, but do look at the facts. I think NPR is the the most unbiased source of news.

Oh, Trump is a joke here. Absolutely! We joke about him all the time. The media, except for Fox News, calls him out. Actually, it's strange for me sometimes. I'm horrified watching CNN, but entertained at the same time. The man is such an idiot. The only good thing I can say is I've gotten a lot of laughs, but it's a dark sense of humor. I'm truly terrified of a second term. I literally feel sick thinking about it!

Probably not the best example, but I visit a US music forum, which has an off topic sub-forum where political talk is not really allowed but does sneak in from time to time and where many do criticise and laugh at Trump. Obviously there's opposition from his supporters too so any debate never really lasts as it soon decends into chaos and the moderators have to step in.

I was talking more about the media, which you point out do call him out for the most part. Correct me if I'm wrong as UK news programmes only shows small portions of him being interviewed about the virus by the media, where there does 'seem' to be an air of hesitance and a case of treading carefully when questioning Trump. One exception shown on the BBC was a CNN or CBS female reporter really having a go at him and giving as good as she got, but we rarely see this sort of thing reported on UK television.

Not that the UK media reporters are faultless by any means and were in my opinion not asking enough questions of government during the first couple of months of the crisis. That has recently changed though I add with the gift of hindsight.

The media go after him. Lots of clips to be viewed. He loves to stand up there and say " You're fake news. A terrible reporter." They have to talk over him to ask questions. He also is fond of telling them they are awful people for asking such horrible questions and that they should be thanking him. They often give as good as they get. Sadly he cuts them off frequently in search of a question he'd rather hear. The serious journalists don't pull punches. Fox News reporters do tread lightly. They are just peddlers of conservative propoganda.

I've seen clips where he calls reporters awful people and the like. All very bizarre! :-O

AgedCrone
AgedCrone
in reply to wishbone

I have recently really enjoyed the TV journalists asking their so deliberately worded questions trying to trick a politician into agreeing with them before he realised ....only to be met by a blank denial their supposition is correct.

Even better the scientists withering replies when the journalist obviously has no idea which Covid test he is asking about! 🤗

J1707
J1707
in reply to wishbone

Trump doesn’t mind criticising other countries or telling them how to run it

wishbone
wishbone
in reply to J1707

He sounds like someone who wants to rule the world.

Shalf
Shalf
in reply to wishbone

Hairbrained Donald and his Domestos!

🤣

wishbone
wishbone
in reply to Shalf

We should call him Donald Domestos from now on! :-) Second thoughts, perhaps not a good idea as we risk having CIA agents tracking this forum. :-O

I'm only joking Donald....honest! :-)

I believe he idolizes Kim & Putin because they do, and he envies that power. I absolutely believes he desires the power and control they have over their masses. He’s sick in the head, literally, a narcissistic sociopath.

That wouldn't surprise me. He certainly envies China and tries his hardest to discredit them.

AgedCrone
AgedCrone
in reply to wishbone

So true WB...they all think the guy they vote for cares about them! 😳

AgedCrone
AgedCrone
in reply to allanah

Americans don,t have a Queen..... & they have no sense of humour about foreigners criticising their politicians. Thankfully my relatives in the US are not American born....so they can see the problem!

We have a Queen. And I think she's awesome. X

Not all of us. I love anybody making fun of Trump. Politicians in general, but especially Trump. We aren't so bad. I don't like Boris, but I'd take your PM over our president.

Shalf
Shalf
in reply to lovemydoggy

I don't mind Boris now but I think the person leading the way is Nicola Sturgeon First Minister of Scotland.

Down to earth, transparent and fair.

She gets my vote.

lovemydoggy
lovemydoggy
in reply to Shalf

I'd agree with you on that. Don't like Boris though, but did feel bad he got COVID.

Shalf
Shalf
in reply to lovemydoggy

Didnt used to like him but seen another side of him during this pandemic. I think it's also true that if you are struck by sudden life threatening illness, your strong opinions and even arrogance dilutes very quickly in many people.

J1707
J1707
in reply to Shalf

And mine . She would be my choice to run the whole country unfortunately that will never happen . The majority of people from England (not U.K.) would never entertain it.(I live in England)

Shalf
Shalf
in reply to J1707

She is straight up with the public and I really like that.

There are however a few in her cabinet that could be stronger in my opinion. I'm proud that Nicola Sturgeon is our First Minister. A true people's person. x

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to Shalf

Agreed.

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to Shalf

Mine too. 100%

J1707
J1707
in reply to lovemydoggy

I’m no fan of Boris. He does love himself and was very off hand about covid at the beginning. Him getting the virus proves there are no boundaries so hopefully he will now have a less dismissive attitude. Unlike Trump it’s ever body else’s fault because he wasn’t told. He and Boris didn’t attend the meetings when this was first predicted . Our Government is now try to get their act together ( thank God) but Trump I’m afraid there is no hope he can never be wrong.🥺

wishbone
wishbone
in reply to J1707

I'm no fan of either of them, and BoJo going to hospital because he lacked the brain power to treat the virus seriously hasn't changed a thing. It just goes to show what can happen when someone is elected leader of a country because of popularity and charisma, if you can call it that, instead of ability and common sense. Same goes for Trump.

AgedCrone
AgedCrone
in reply to Gigi71

But when he was voted in the competition could have been even worse!

Gigi71
Gigi71
in reply to AgedCrone

That seems to be one of the reasons he did get in. According to my cousin, Hilary Clinton was disliked very much and trusted even less. X

AgedCrone
AgedCrone
in reply to Gigi71

Got it in one!

lovemydoggy
lovemydoggy
in reply to Gigi71

Personally, I like Hillary. Many can't stand her, but she's not in her element being out there campaigning.

Gigi71
Gigi71
in reply to lovemydoggy

I’m afraid I’m not qualified enough to speak about Hilary Clinton, only hearsay from my cousin living in New Jersey. Regarding Trump I find his tweets and comments quite bizarre. I see you get our sense of humour too. X

AKDellitt
AKDellitt
in reply to Gigi71

Actually, Hillary won the popular vote by close to 3 million more than Trump. Many factors as to why she lost - cheating being a major one. As an American living abroad - I don't recognise my country anymore. It's gone haywire. Perhaps it always was...but now it is in our face on a daily basis. The disinfectant and UV light comments are insane and irresponsible. If it weren't so damaging, it'd be laughable.

Gigi71
Gigi71
in reply to AKDellitt

It’s interesting to hear your comments. I don’t profess to knowing much about how the system works in the USA. What is as you say, is the activities of Trump are in your face, as reported here in GB and I assume where you are based too. We have been consumed with Brexit for some time now, What we don’t want is our NHS to follow along the American lines and be privatised. Trump is a business man and let go of the work, started by Obama to bring a similar health service to our own. Quite clearly he understands very little about medicine. X

AgedCrone
AgedCrone
in reply to Gigi71

I really hope...horrible as it is...this Pandemic is a wake up call how access to family doctors,& free A&E treatment would be changed forever if SOMETHING....ANYTHING....isn’t done about getting a grip on dragging our NHS into the 21st century.

Right now some people don’t know how to contact a doctor in an emergency.....unless the NHS is restructured, & here is the bitter pill we must swallow.......we pay more in our contributions...nothing will ever improve.

As I write this ....it is being announced deaths in UK hospitals from the virus have risen to over 20,000... if that doesn’t make the politicians think & be determined to act......what will?

Twinboys
Twinboys
in reply to Gigi71

My health insurance is $26,000 a year because of Obamacare. And also a lot of times I don’t understand when people on here say “they don’t feel well and have to wait for their nurse to call back or they finally get an appointment months later to see their doctor” when we call the doctor here in the US we get an appointment right away (sane day if we are sick) and nurses return calls the same day.

happytulip
happytulip
in reply to Twinboys

In the UK we do have Specialist nurses who we can call with a Rheumatology related issue. Mine is brilliant and gets back to me within 24hrs. I have access to my GP (community doctor) on the same day if I need it. I can email them directly, bypassing the receptionist and between us we can come up with a plan either via email, telephone conversation or a face to face appointment on the same day.

But if there was an emergency that required a trip to the Emergency Dept we can call 999 for an ambulance if we are unable to get there or we can self present to the Emergency Dept. This is all free at the point of access.

Another alternative is to call 111 which gives medical advice by trained medical staff of all different backgrounds. Again this is free.

I used to work in the NHS having a career in the emergency department for 15 years and a stint in transplant prior to that. I personally think that it is fantastic to be able to enter an emergency department with anything from a fractured finger or being airlifted in with a major polytrauma and have all your emergency care given without any thoughts of insurance or cost.

Emergency care is also free to foreign visitors. But the NHS do chase up treatment charges if a patient is admitted to the hospital from the ED and put onto a ward or inpatient unit.

If they are discharged from the ED then they pay nothing.

I have had many foreign visitors, including Americans visit the ED that I worked in and were astounded that they didn't have to pay. I can recall a very kind man who fractured his arm. We reset it, placed it in a cast, gave patient education and medication and follow up advice all within 4 hrs. He was so aghast that he didn't have to pay. He returned the next day with two massive fruit baskets for the staff to say thank you. It was so kind of him.

We moan and groan about the NHS here in the UK because it isn't perfect, nothing is. But I am so grateful that we have it and it has saved my life many times. It also gave me an amazing career.

But unfortunately it is under-resourced and some areas need better management. So we moan and groan. But bottom line, if we needed treatment in an emergency we have free access to medical care 24/7 by the use of the ED.

Other problems are triaged by either your specialist nurse, GP or 111.

I could never afford healthcare costs that you describe and when I looked after patients when I was still working I was able to think about what their clinical needs were, not what they could afford.

Twinboys
Twinboys
in reply to happytulip

Ahhh So different areas have different healthcare available to them? I read so often people from the UK posting like “I don’t feel good but I can’t see my doctor for another month” and I just didn’t understand that.

happytulip
happytulip
in reply to Twinboys

I can't speak for other areas but I always have access to a healthcare provider. I admit it would be a struggle to see my specialty teams at extremely short notice unless I Was in hospital. But that is why my team's have put management plans in place. For example, if I get pericarditis I follow the management plan for that. If I get an infection I follow a particular care plan depending on what type of infection it is.

In my experience alot of things can be sorted over the phone but if they are more serious then I go to hospital. I've had 6 admissions in the past 4 years, but that is more a reflection on having multiple AI disease as opposed to poor health care.

That is my experience anyway.

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to Twinboys

Everyone has the same healthcare available to them. Different areas have different demands and practices manage these differently.

Also, when you register with a community general practice, you are registered with a particular doctor. However, in practice when making an appointment you might see any doctor that’s available. Problems can arise if you wish to see the doctor your registered with- this can sometimes result in a wait and in my experience, this is usually when you hear ‘ I had to wait 3 weeks for an appointment.’.

As Happytulip said, it is a system that is not without its flaws and has been grossly underfunded by government for a long time. But it is a system to be proud of. The NHS is free at the point of entry, is there from cradle to grave and does not discriminate.

Right now, the NHS is everything to us and they are fighting a massive battle to save lives, working tirelessly and there is a huge comfort in knowing, despite income or status, it will be there for each and everyone of us, if needed.

Gigi71
Gigi71
in reply to Twinboys

I think happytulip has replied really well for me, I have on the whole had great care, I’ve had RD for 35 years, emergency care is very good, I have a great GP, I can phone in and get a reply the same day. I’m on a bio med and so therefore don’t need to be seen that often. I’m on many meds and as I’m retired, they are free. I have however been waiting for a back op, so not all perfect, I hope after this they will fund our NHS much more. My cousin and husband are elderly in the states and find the expense far too high, Plus the medications she is on, until the lockdown he had a job to help with their expenses, he is over 80, luckily their Children are helping them out. X

OilpainterUS
OilpainterUS
in reply to Gigi71

Americans tend to abide by: "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. ".

I find your fascination with the USA president interesting. Why not watch your British politicians screaming at each other in your Parliament instead?

Why not talk about world leaders who have conducted mass genocide within their own borders? Why don't you do something about other countries Presidents who do NOTHING for their starving people?

This is not the space for, nor the thread For political debate. As AC stated, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I saw nothing critical nor offensive and in particular, nothing that bordered on aggressive in her post. Your response, to me, feels a little bit disproportionate .

There are ways of putting ones point across and there, we strive to do so with realectX

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to Eiram50

Here, rather*

AgedCrone
AgedCrone
in reply to Eiram50

And Most important we stay friends don’t we?

Gigi71
Gigi71
in reply to OilpainterUS

I think you have missed the point here, the point is about a president of the United States of America making a dangerous statement regarding taking disinfectants for Covid-19, maybe he should take your advice and keep quiet till he takes the correct advice, from his medical advisers. As a democracy our politician’s are used to debates and free speech from other politicians, experts and us, the public.

AgedCrone
AgedCrone
in reply to Gigi71

But somebody must have had a word with him....cos now he is saying he was joking!Dah!

Gigi71
Gigi71
in reply to AgedCrone

It beggars belief AC !!!!

You country does nothing for its poor - no health service, queues for food banks homeless on the streets.

Trump likes to meddle abroad but he’s so stupid he doesn’t understand the issues, and too ignorant to listen to his advisors, although they are too scared to tell him the truth or contradict him- look what he’s doing to the press and free speech - he’s Putins puppet 😂

medway-lady
medway-lady
in reply to pootle2

I agree but worked for a Foodbank Trussell Trust and we need it here in the UK just as the Americans do. And I have a lot of German relatives they dislike Merkel so perhaps it's the same no matter the country of origin. People who run for Parliament should be automatically disqualified as doing it for self interest. Our local MP is simply awful but the alternative was even worse. Truth is money buys power and the amount of MP's from Eton is astonishing regardless of party.

They don't usually shout at each other. House of Commons is mostly for show and goes back centuries. The work gets done in committee rooms.

AgedCrone
AgedCrone
in reply to Cwendyn

But how we enjoy watching....especially when one gets the wrong end of the stick & the car crash of derision that ensues!

Cwendyn
Cwendyn
in reply to AgedCrone

Hahaha. Very true!

Good for the drains I say get rid of bad smells 🤣😂

I only ever listened to an important person when I was growing up when it came to poisons, which these are if swallowed or injected.... and that was my mum (or mom) if you live in the US.....and my mum's word still stands. Keep away from the stuff, use it for it's intended purpose and do not listen to others who think they are important and know different.

springcross
springcross
in reply to Pippy25

Hear hear, wise words. xx

I learned two new words today:

Ultracrepidarian: one who offers opinions beyond one’s sphere of knowledge.

Podsnappery: an attitude to life marked by complacency and a refusal to recognise unpleasant facts.

They made me think of someone ...

J1707
J1707
in reply to Lolabridge

🤔who? 😁

Mmrr
Mmrr
in reply to J1707

No idea 🤔

AKDellitt
AKDellitt
in reply to Mmrr

Gee, who could it be?

Mmrr
Mmrr
in reply to AKDellitt

I make no comment , I'll leave each individual to apply the term as they see fit....

Ultracrepidarian: one who offers opinions beyond one’s sphere of knowledge.

Agreed, many people in this thread qualify as such.

As a fellow US Citizen, I’m going to have to disagree with you. I, too, found your initial comments a bit defensive. Given that the power of the US President reaches far beyond our borders, I think everyone here has the right to speak as to the lunacy of Trump suggesting injecting disinfectants for the Virus, or to the rest of his lunacy as well. (or likewise in support of him if they see fit)

I will agree that this is a large and beautiful country, that is also quite diverse, with unparalleled beauty, however I believe traveling abroad (not Including all inclusive resorts In Mexico or to Canada) make for a more well rounded and appreciative citizen. US citizens would benefit intellectually from the experience. I also recognize it’s quite cost prohibitive, sadly, and therefore limits access quite considerably.

Perhaps the greatest take away, perhaps, from this entire thread of conversation, is the impact and impression the President of the United States has on the world at large. And therefore how it impacts the US position and impact in this world. I am deeply concerned by that, perhaps more than anything.

A very measured response. Thank you.

Thank you for as Mmrr put it a measured response. Take care x

Couldn't agree more. Well said!

Just imagine if Donald was your rheumatologist! What would he recommend?!?

dawkin_S
dawkin_S
in reply to Lyndy

I think it would be something like this: "So you know, I heard marzipan is actually really very flexible - you can bend it, it really bends, and you can make tiny fruit from it, so I think maybe if you took some tiny bananas made from marzipan, because you know bananas bend too, they have no problem bending, if you took the marzipan bananas and applied them to your joints, maybe with a rubber band because that's flexible too - I mean I'm not a doctor, but I know they can stretch and move real easy too - so maybe if you attach a marzipan banana to your joints that you can't bend properly, you know I have a good feeling, I really feel I could have cured your disease here."

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to dawkin_S

Brilliant!

🤣🤣🤣🤣 That is so funny, we had a good laugh here at that, brilliant.

Pippy25
Pippy25
in reply to dawkin_S

Fabulous! :-)

Mmrr
Mmrr
in reply to dawkin_S

Rumbled.....Trumps secret speech writer 🍌

dawkin_S
dawkin_S
in reply to Mmrr

Ha ha - found out! ;)

I keep coming back to read this so I can laugh my bum off! You are a riot!! You nailed it! 😂

Lolabridge
Lolabridge
in reply to Lyndy

Goodness knows! An infusion of Dettol perhaps instead of my usual Rituximab? With a bleach chaser?

😂😂😂

Pippy25
Pippy25
in reply to Lolabridge

Fake Infuse that's what I say! :-)

J1707
J1707
in reply to Lyndy

False diagnosis

When I first saw it on Facebook I thought it was a hoax that someone had managed to put together, but oh no, saw it on the news and he actually said it! Anyone for a gin and zalflora? It will have a very nice bouquet. 😂😂

springcross
springcross
in reply to Paula-C

😂😂😂

Pippy25
Pippy25
in reply to Paula-C

I hear the Spring Bouquet or Floral has a good bouquet....maybe a touch of Lavender or a Winter Berry warmer. Although avoid the Fresh Linen.....it will have you 'pegged out' in minutes!

Paula-C
Paula-C
in reply to Pippy25

They do one called lemon zing, think that would be my choice, only a slash it's concentrated.

Love the fresh linen and being pegged out. 😂😂

Crazy some of the things that man comes out with but this tops them all.It would be funny if it was not so serious as some people may believe it.Wonder what words his medical people said to him after that statement.

Lolabridge
Lolabridge
in reply to beeckey

The look on the face of his Chief Medical Adviser (wearing a scarf in the film clip) clearly shows what she thought of his suggestions! But if she speaks out she would no doubt get fired.

Cuckoo, 🤡

Falkirk Council put up a new post on their website today. It said :

Don't drink bleach.

I think you are all very rude and mean spirited. I can't imagine saying these things about your politicians.

As I wrote above, why aren't you all cackling about presidents of nations who practice genocide on their own citizens? Why aren't you attacking presidents of dozens of countries who don't address starvation or bad medical care? Why aren't you attacking the President of North Korea who has done unspeakable things to his people, just to name one?

Why don't you concentrate on how you can make a positive difference in this world instead of wasting time and energy in such a negative way?

I'm leaving this forum. It's not a very healthy place.

Mmrr
Mmrr
in reply to OilpainterUS

I think maybe there is a cultural clash here, British humour, we take the mickey out of all public figures....politicians, monarchy, celebrities....and each other.

In Scotland where I come from, not to engage in banter would be seen as rude and dismissive of people, it is part of who we are, what we do and what we find amusing.

I'm sorry you can't see that there is no real offense, but it is who we are.

If one of the political dictators was in the news just now, we would take the mickey, but they are not high profile just now, MrTrump is, and he is peddling some very unsafe information to the American public, so much so that the manufactures of disinfectants and bleaches have issued warnings against injecting these substances, as has the First Minister of Scotland.

I've just read that there have been a number of people admitted to hospital in Maryland due to ingesting these substances, so the worst fears of Mr Trumps comments seem to be coming true.

AgedCrone
AgedCrone
in reply to Mmrr

I have just looked at what I said that caused all this furore........and the daft thing is it’s such a storm in a teacup over nothing!

But let’s hope those poor people in Maryland are OK, & that they get any treatment they need for free......as will any more people who followed their President’s suggestions.

springcross
springcross
in reply to Mmrr

What she said!

Your point is heard.....

However, I personally, find it indefensible to hold up any world leader who talks about injection disinfectant as a way of tackling a virus that is killing thousands - globally.

Troygirl
Troygirl
in reply to Eiram50

Did you know that thimerosal & formaldehyde are disinfectants?

And did you know you’re injecting those into your body via vaccines?

You point out serious issues which do get a lot of media attention but in my own opinion, which I am entitled to, I think it completely irresponsible and dangerous for a leader of the United States of America to suggest that injecting someone with disinfectant might cure or protect against CV-19.

He might have done alot for some in his country and improved lives of some of its citizens, but he has seriously messed up here. What if a mother decides to inject her children with disinfectant because her leader has suggested that it might be a cure?

I've held my tongue over this mans words and remarks during this pandemic or as he calls it "the Chinese virus." But quite frankly, after hearing the what he came out with at that press conference and then suggesting that it was sarcasm proves 100% that he meets all the criteria for a total narcissist. And what happen when he is challenged? He deflects, blames the media "fake news." Typical textbook narassistic behaviour.

I'm sure my rant will get reported or possibly offend. But I think people should call this man out for his mistakes that he will NOT admit to. Surely I have a right to free speech? So I'm speaking my opinion. Enough people are dying without him encouraging people to poison themselves.

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to happytulip

I stand with you x

happytulip
happytulip
in reply to Eiram50

I sure many do. If he made a mistake he should own it, fess up, apologise and then he might get some respect, possibly.

And if it was sarcasm, who thinks it's appropriate to be sarcastic at a daily press conference when the death toll of the country that you are president of has reached 50,000?

Believe me, it wasn't sarcasm. I doubt he even knows the meaning of the word, let alone how to use it. In reality, he was narcissistic enough to think he had thought of a cure for the virus. I'm not joking. He is that self-aggrandising. He has a preoccupation with fantasies of possessing a superior intellect beyond anyone in the room. And I speak as an American citizen.

I agree. Yet during his rambling he forgot the word for brain or mind and just pointed to his head instead.

Dr Trump he is not.

I do think that Dr Brix (? spelling) who was present had a duty of care to say something and shut the idea down immediately. However effective she may have been in the past, I really think that she missed an opportunity as a doctor to say to the American people "no, we cannot inject people with disinfectant." First and foremost she is a doctor. First, "do no harm." I think it was an opportunity missed.

I have an idea why she didn't speak up sadly.

Gigi71
Gigi71
in reply to happytulip

Well said x

Totally agree.

As an American I applaud you happytulip!

As an American, I applaud as well!

The trouble is...under all the bluster he is a bully & only attacks those he can control......cross him & your jobless & unemployable until he is out of office

Whereas here...it seems the bigger you mess up......the more financially rewarding jobs you get offered!

Life ain’t fair!

Pippy25
Pippy25
in reply to AgedCrone

Well there is one thing he cannot control, dismiss nor shake off his shoe no matter how hard he tries and that's COVID. Right now COVID is in control weather he or we like it or not.

Shalf
Shalf
in reply to Pippy25

An Argentinian couple have called their newborn Covid 😳

Pippy25
Pippy25
in reply to Shalf

I did hear of a poor boy called Covid I think lived in Australia who was being bullied at school. So sad. However unless they are shouting at him isn't COVID written in big letters? Each to their own but I am not sure I would like to be reminded of this virus in years to come, although it makes a change from celebrities naming children football, north, apple etc. Take care xx

Shalf
Shalf
in reply to Pippy25

Parents said they named him Covid because they want him to be a strong wee man. Each to their own I guess. 🤭

Spot on AC! Sad and scary.

Hear hear! Well said.

I’m a Us citizen and I didn’t find anything offensive written here, except by me perhaps. 😱

So first off, we US citizens are in a U.K. forum, so I kinda feel like we should take the heat or get out of the kitchen. We shouldn’t expect or demand that the people of this forum behave or speak in a manner not of their own culture, so your humor is fine. It is who you are as a people. I personally get a kick out of everyone here. And the humor brings a smile to my face, as well as your funny little sayings (tornado in a teacup?). So carry on! As people impacted by the US policies and such, you also are entitled to opinions. And if Trump can’t handle the press and ridicule, he shouldn’t have run for public office. We should hold him and every elected official accountable. And in the US we do poke fun at politicians. The memes or incorrigible sometimes!

So carry on. And thank you for letting US citizens join this forum. I’ve found it much more helpful relating to Ra than any here at home. ❤️

And we are happy that you are here with us x

You are welcome.

I agree with justanothermama.. Carry on, and also thank you for this forum.

Trouble is DT has no conscience... the US is a great place with a good work ethic ..if he put his mind to it he could make America Really Great,& admired throughout the world......he wants total obedience, be the centre of attention & be adored..,but the way he goes about it ...it ain’t gonna happen.!

Troygirl
Troygirl
in reply to happytulip

Did you know that thimerosal & formaldehyde are disinfectants?

And did you know you’re injecting those into your body via vaccines?

happytulip
happytulip
in reply to Troygirl

Actually I don't have vaccines any longer because I can't make anti bodies to anything! After years of vaccines, infectious diseases and immunology say that there is no point. I have to rely on herd immunity. Part of the reason I had to step away from medicine.

But I take your point. I would have to look into what components made up each vaccine and what percentage were a "disinfectant," as you call it.

Either way, you can't compare a vaccine component to a treatment as Trump was suggesting.

A vaccine is generally an IM injection of very little fluid, rarely more than 2.5mls, used to INNOCULATE against disease. (The exception being some oral or intra-nasal vaccines for children).

Trump was suggesting "disinfectant" as a TREATMENT for someone with active disease. That is a different ball game.

Troygirl
Troygirl
in reply to happytulip

NYS Governor Cuomo had his inmates make TOXIC disinfectant people have been rubbing all over their hands and arms everyday for over a month!! What do you think will happen to all these people putting Toxic substance on every single day but says in the safety sheet to wash off immediately?

www2.monroecounty.gov/files...

happytulip
happytulip
in reply to Troygirl

I'm not getting drawn into an issue about what the Governor of NYS has said or anyone else for that matter. I don't do "he said, she said," because I'm not 5 years old.

Again, my issue has been with a person in a position of strong influence and power to suggest that injecting or ingesting disinfectant will be a cure or a preventative measure against Covid-19. He also pushed the use of hydroxychlorquine, and called the virus a hoax.

People HAVE come to harm over his comments. Not just in the US but there have been deaths in Nigeria because of the comments about Hydroxychlorquine.

There are vulnerable people out there who may not know better and look to him to lead.

What about the person with a learning difficulty who has heard their president say that injecting disinfectant should be looked into? Or the person who suffers from severe anxiety and will follow the lead of their president? People are vulnerable and frightened and this is no time for "sarcasm," although sarcasm IT WAS NOT. Otherwise, why try to explain away his actions first and then suggest it was sarcasm. It's a contradiction to do that. "The president actually meant this.....,but actually it was just sarcasm all because of the media."

He said what he said. It's on tape. I watched it live, not edited. The fact that the entire world has reported on it and has had to advise their citizens to not inject/ingest disinfectant should speak volumes.

The fact that he no longer will do a press conference after making such a horrendous statement should speak volumes. He won't take responsibility. If he walked up to that podium and said "I hold my hands up, I made a mistake," then I would respect that, but he won't.

I'm uncertain as to why you want to get into some form of heated discussion about a Governor of NYS, it's prisoners and disinfectant when the subject was Trump and his repeated dangerous comments?

It is not something that I would seek to do and question your motives.

Are you OK?

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to happytulip

I’d absolutely echo this!

Kags1068
Kags1068
in reply to happytulip

Brilliant comment! Really couldn't have put it better. Thanks!😊

Troygirl
Troygirl
in reply to happytulip

hmmm. I take Hydroxychlorquine... 400 mg a day!

Hmmm were were you and the media when kids were ingesting Tide Pods as a You Tube challenge!

Also you may want to take a look at what Scientist ARE working on!

finance.yahoo.com/news/aytu...

Orange man bad!

happytulip
happytulip
in reply to Troygirl

Please, just leave me alone.

I have no time to follow any you tube or other social media challenge for that matter.

I am not going to reiterate my views about what the initial thread was about because you've gone way past that line.

Your responses that are directed at me are coming across as increasingly confrontational, hostile and unhinged.

It is unnecessary, unwanted and stops now.

Troygirl
Troygirl
in reply to happytulip

Unhinged? Hostile? It is a well know fact that "facts" and some people just do not get along to well.

No one is bothering you. You want to comment, well other people can comment as well. Last I knew we are not silenced just because someone has a different opinion!

Closed mindness is a sad!

healthunlocked.com/api/redi...

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to Troygirl

With respect, it’s time to end this conversation. Happytulip is correct in saying conversation had gone beyond the original thread and now, it has become unhelpful.

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to Troygirl

With respect, I think you need to deliver your responses in a less adversarial manner? We get that you’re supportive of Trumps comments re UV light and, as was the original thread, the suggestion that disinfectant might be injected as a way of managing coronavirus - you might want to accept that many of us simply don’t agree with his comments and view it, as indeed so most, as highly irresponsible and dangerous.

However, we can all express our opinions without a need to make it feel personal, surely?

J1707
J1707
in reply to Eiram50

Well said Eiram 50

Well it would be a shame for you to leave, just because of politics - there are not many threads on here about that topic, after all. Do stay! :)

I think Mmrr is correct here - being very rude about politicians is something of a national sport here, and is certainly not meant to be taken as offensive to citizens of the country in question. You should hear the stuff people say about our current PM - and all previous PMs, for that matter, and the opposition parties! And trust me, dictators and other world leaders all get plenty of stick too (have you seen The Death of Stalin?) - political satire is very popular in the UK, Ireland and other parts of Europe too.

To give you another perspective, when we went to the Netherlands for my cousin's wedding, we were roundly teased by everyone from the hotel owner to her friends about Brexit and leaving the EU - all in good humour, and taken as such.

Pippy25
Pippy25
in reply to dawkin_S

Some fair points raised Dawkin, I also remember Spitting Image and I remember only recently an interview on Sky News about political satire and the very point was raised about how we accept this here, but how well does it translate in other nations etc. You are right in respect of Brexit and I don't wish to enter the politics arena here, so irrespective of those for and those against it, we are somewhat of a puzzlement, joke, frustration, irritation and other things to other European countries, but we sort of take it on the chin and in humour. I think there is as I have always said room at the table for everyone on this forum and it would be sad for someone to leave because of politics. However the point I want to make and be quite clear about is not directed at the people in the US, but if this were ANY leader of ANY nation irrespective of where on the globe they were, in a position of authority and leadership, this is not a time to be telling a nation to do something which is extremely dangerous, medically and scientifically unproven, unfounded and wrong. To ANY nation who are looking towards that leader for advise, some maybe vulnerable, unable to afford or access health care, are frightened, desperate, uneducated and have mental health issues. To them that cheap bottle of disinfectant may be in their mind be an option or only option of potentially getting rid of this virus as their leader has spoken about it on TV. Therefore is it right to say these things to a nation, in whatever context, be it in seriousness or sarcasm when people are looking towards their leader in a time we have never known with a virus we can't and they as leaders can't control. I don't think the intention of this thread for one minute was intended to offend a nation or it's citizens and yes there will be cultural differences and national pride. I think ANY person in a place of leadership who is saying to do something which is clearly wrong (The bottles even have clear labelling and pictures stating DANGER) to a nation and in front of an International arena who are also watching in such turbulent times is very worrying. I have no intentions of offending anyone, we have enough going on in this world of ours as it is. Life is so precious and so fragile.

Same goes for religion remember Life of Brian to take the mick. is a national pastime.

It's even more worrying if the American people can't see through him and trust him because he is President. I feel sad if this is the mentality because it is wasted on Trump. How can anyone take him seriously with his toxic rhetoric.

Gio1997
Gio1997
in reply to Shalf

I'm in Houston, TX and surrounded by Trumpers. I think that those who believe him should drink the bleach.

AgedCrone
AgedCrone
in reply to Gio1997

The horrible truth though ......is that he will probably be re-elected because once again the opposition might be worse than he is?

AKDellitt
AKDellitt
in reply to AgedCrone

No one is worse than he is - believe me.

AgedCrone
AgedCrone
in reply to AKDellitt

Saying that from where you live..is a STATEMENT,

Cwendyn
Cwendyn
in reply to Gio1997

Noooo. That's not nice

Mans a total clown x

More fake news as donald trump says 😊

Just have say, one thing this thread proves is how easy it is for humans to fight about politics. Anybody with a brain knows Trump is ________. Fill in the blank with the appropriate words. I can't post what Im thinking.

I'd better not post what I want to either!

Well, he's the President of the second most powerful nation, so he must be right! Right?

Now, that is sarcasm. :)

Now when the sun goes over my movable yardarm today shall I have a Dettol(other disinfectants available) and lemonade or will it be the Gin and tonic, well its a no brainer. What on earth does that twit get his ideas from? I would add emogies but I'm ancient and cant work it out on this site how to do it.

Stay safe & keep well.

You too. Stick with the G & T! 😀

Mmrr
Mmrr
in reply to cropredy

Seemingly there was a cult who contacted Trump peddling wares of ...bleach type products as a cure for coronavirus immediately before he made his comments on TV.

I could not believe it either.

If any idiot does try and cure themselves with disenfectant, trump will blame not himself but of course fake news as always.

I am so glad I live in the UK.

Trump is a narcercist, unfortunately a president, but not a KING, which he seems to believe he is.

Here we go again with the fake media headlines and what do people do. believe every thing these people say!

Unfortunate that people do not have free will to research for them selves after KNOWING the media lied for 3 long years about Russia!!

If people paid attention and did not fall for false leading headlines they would know that the president was following up on a previous speaker in the press conference that had mentioned the same things. How UV light can kill the virus and how they are finding with scientific research that disinfectant kills the virus in minutes and even seconds.

Basically if people though for them selves they would know that he was talking about "scientific possibilities" to beat this virus!

NOT ONCE DID HE SAY. Hey everyone go drink some bleach or disinfectant!

People are sooooo freaking gullible it is frightening!

Actual NEWS & FACTS: Trump’s comments on disinfectants came after William Bryan, who leads the Science and Technology Directorate at the Department of Homeland Security, spoke at the Thursday briefing about how researchers are testing the effect of disinfectants on virus-laden saliva and respiratory fluids in the laboratory. They kill the virus very quickly, he said.

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to Troygirl

Your correct......

People need to hear what’s been said, by whomever is saying it and think for themselves.

In my view, and it is my view which I take full responsibility for - regardless of where he got any information from, for a world leader, knowing the influence he holds and the vulnerabilities of his nation, to repeat/ suggest / openly consider is at best irresponsible and at worst ignorant and dangerous.

To then state that he was being ‘sarcastic’ again, in my view, undermines the seriousness of this global pandemic and the damage it has caused and well as demonstrating little respect for lives lost, in his country and the world over.

Sorry, to me it is indefensible.

Shalf
Shalf
in reply to Eiram50

I share your view Marie.

Its irresponsible in his position to be sarcastic in such a crisis. Will people who are grieving see the funny side of Trump's hairbrained words? I don't think so!

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to Shalf

Absolutely. No matter which way you look at it, for whatever reasons people want to offer up in his Defense, he stood on TV and made the statement - irresponsible, Dangerous and crass!

Shalf
Shalf
in reply to Eiram50

The president, who has no scientific qualifications, continued: ‘And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you’re going to test that too.

‘And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks out in a minute, one minute, and is there a way we can do something like that? By injection inside, or almost a cleaning. ‘As you see, it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that.’

This is exactly what Trump said.

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to Shalf

Mind blowing

Mmrr
Mmrr
in reply to Eiram50

See my comment above, Trump was contacted by a cult who sell bleach immediately before he made his comments , who told him it kills coronavirus.

Troygirl
Troygirl
in reply to Eiram50

What I am trying to say is the media will pick the thing that they think will stick with a big twist to fit THEIR opinions. They have been trying since day one to take him out. Anyone with half a brain can see this.

Whats funny to me is there are even more headline should be being played 24/7, but nope, only Trump, Trump, Trump! Orange man bad!

Here's one that never made headlines day in and day out!!

Thuggish Elite power freaks being elites!

patch.com/new-york/longisla...

Now tell me how does losing your job but getting another job ok? Kind of defeats the purpose of Social Distancing & keeping people home!

AKDellitt
AKDellitt
in reply to Troygirl

Trump does not need the media to show how incompetent he is - he openly shows it himself at his rallies and any time he opens his mouth. His people work overtime to "explain" or downplay his words and actions - while he denies ever saying them, despite hundreds of easily obtainable videos to the contrary. The man needs to take responsibility for himself instead of blaming everyone else. It's old, tired, and frankly unpresidential - if that even means anything anymore.

happytulip
happytulip
in reply to Troygirl

I didn't take it from the "media." I am a perfectly capable and intelligent person to not be led by them. I took it right out of Trumps mouth. His words. He suggested that injecting people with disinfectant should be looked into. His words, not the medias. I watched what he said live. They just reported it.

I also watched his rally when he called the virus a democrat hoax. I lost a friend to the virus last night. A nurse on the front line. Doesn't seem like much of a hoax to me right now. She leaves behind two children.

Leaders need to lead, not mislead.

Yes I agree with you completely and it's not fake news at all.

We watched the film report and listened to what Trump said. We also saw the look on the face of one of his leading scientists (the lady in the corner with the scarf) who looked as though she wished the ground would open and swallow her up.

Sorry Troygirl, but his subsequent comments about him being sarcastic don't ring true at all. They make it worse!

Troygirl
Troygirl
in reply to Lolabridge

Did you know that thimerosal & formaldehyde are disinfectants?

And did you know you’re injecting those into your body via vaccines?

I'm sorry to hear about your friend. x

Thank you. Another member of the NHS lost to this awful virus. My thoughts are very much with her family.

It's why I get so angry when I see people not social distancing or hear world leaders spurting out alot of nonsense instead of clear guidance.

The bottom line isn't the economy or getting re-elected. The bottom line is a little girl going to bed last night after being told that her mum is dead. And it's happening to people the world over.

I know, it's so very sad. I agree with you about social distancing and I sometimes think (as silly as it may sound) that there is a large vein of people in this country (and no doubt in other countries) that firmly believe they are indestructible, either that or they don't give a damn!

Pippy25
Pippy25
in reply to happytulip

Sadly behind every number of deaths reported or shown on a chart there is a person, a fellow human, a face, a soul, a life lived, memories, a family, friends, colleagues all grieving all hurting and wishing their loved one was back here, safe and at home with them. I don't care about money and status, I care about life and preservation of life and how precious and fragile it is. I am so sorry to hear about your friend who gave her life so others may live and it really hits home how we should globally seek to protect and preserve life based upon clear medical facts from people who are experienced and have worked many many years in this arena and not from a leader or any leader who in such troubled times thinks he or she are beyond being answerable to their nation and the world for their choice of words and actions. Take care and I am so sorry to hear of the loss of your dear friend x

happytulip
happytulip
in reply to Pippy25

Thank you. That's very kind.

Exactly! He played the virus up as a hoax put on by the Democrats - laughed about it at his rallies - to great applause and cheers, I might add. It's all on videotape, Troygirl. Look it up.

Mmrr
Mmrr
in reply to happytulip

😪

AgedCrone
AgedCrone
in reply to Troygirl

Yes they might kill the virus......if you look on an aerosol can of Dettol antiseptic household spray...it says “Kills the Flu Virus”.

But the trick is to work out how to do that but not kill the person who is hosting the virus....don’t think DT quite understood that.

No he said inject it! That was his brain ruminating on possibilities after he heard from the previous guy say that disinfectant and sunlight are effective at killing the virus! He also suggested exposing our internal body with sunlight... so you can rewrite it however you like, but it was irresponsible at best. And it was not sarcasm. It was his Trump’s unfiltered thoughts, which ought to scare the hell out of every US Citizen.

No he didn't say go an drink some bleach, he said were looking into INJECTING disinfectant as it kill's germs! Also UV light would only give u a tan as it doesn't penetrate through the skin that far, so if he wants UV light to be tested the doctors would need to put it inside you're body behind you're lungs as that what COVID-19 attacks an that wouldn't be good for u neither as it can cause skin cancer.

Scientists at Cedars-Sinai are developing an ultraviolet light that is inserted into the lungs of coronavirus patients to kill the virus living there.

Trump was right again about "inserting UV light."

It's called the #Healight

finance.yahoo.com/news/aytu...

I think we should just let him go first an see what happens 🤣

Oooh I don’t like my country The U.K .. being insulted to that extent. 😑🤨

Nor me. I dont like this thread at all. It's made me reconsider asking for support now.

This is one thread only so don’t disappear. xx

I live in the US. Dr. Birx did an interview and said that was not what he meant. He was talking about the UV light and how the disinfectant on the hands. Said it all together in one sentence and the media ran with it! He’s the best president for hard working Americans. Doesn’t cater to the lazy people. We own a small business and thank God he was in office because Obama made it impossible to own our own business and we had to shut another business down during Obama. He’s not a politician (thank God for that because there are way too many lawyers in the US) so he doesn’t speak the proper “fake” way everyone is used to. Would I rather have the Obamas over for dinner then the Trumps? Absolutely.But would I rather have Trump running the country over Obama - without a doubt. He lets reporters as as many question as they want he’s there for two hours most times. One slip up and they run with it. He should shouldn’t answer that long anymore. The media ruins everything.

AKDellitt
AKDellitt
in reply to Twinboys

As an American, I could not possibly disagree more with absolutely everything that you said except having the Obamas over for dinner.

Twinboys
Twinboys
in reply to AKDellitt

And being in america thank god you have that right. The thing is for 8 years I disagreed with mostly everything Obama did but yet never injected my opinion into anyone else’s beliefs. Someone flourishes economically under trump and they get attacked. That’s not right.

Shalf
Shalf
in reply to Twinboys

I guess if you didn't have a business though and your circumstances were different, it's possible your opinion would be different?

It's human nature to side with someone/something or whatever that affects a person in some way in their life.

I suppose it's like our disease really.

A lot of us have complained that others 'don't get it' but perhaps we ourselves wouldn't get it if we didn't have it. If that makes sense.

Jeez, that one glass of wine is making me have to really focus! 🤣

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to Twinboys

With respect, that’s nonsense. He was talking about ‘ injecting’ disinfectant - I watched him?!

Shalf
Shalf
in reply to Eiram50

Marie, slight change of subject for a sec.

Did you here about the litter of 6 week old border collies stolen from someone's home in Gifford lastnight?

😥

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to Shalf

OMG! No? That’s bloody horrendous.

Shalf
Shalf
in reply to Eiram50

Devastating! I was in a right state lastnight. Collies are my dogs! Such a cruel thing to do. Poor mother of the pups as well as the owners. Hope they are found safe and well.

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to Shalf

Just despicable behaviour. I too hope they’re found and safe and that the buggers who thought it ok to do this are severely punished!

Shalf
Shalf
in reply to Eiram50

Puppies been found safe. Thank God!

No other info. x

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to Shalf

That’s brilliant!

That’s terrible! 😢

I really dont like this post or many of the comments. This forum has always been a friendly supportive place.

Please, I'd love to keep it that way. It's not Facebook or Twitter.

Please can we return to Business As Usual 🥰😟🛎

happytulip
happytulip
in reply to Cwendyn

I suppose many of us are just so frustrated at the mis-information that is coming out that we can't but help voice frustration or concerns.

Usually this forum would never touch on politics but eventually in a pandemic, health, chronic conditions and politics will all cross over at some point.

Last night I just had to post something. I couldn't hold my tongue any longer. My friend has died in the past 24 hrs and I needed a place to vent after hearing what was said by the leader of the USA. It helped to be able to come to this forum to be able to do that. Maybe I was in the wrong?

My complaint isn't with the citizens of the USA, my complaint is with what the President is coming out with which potentially puts people at risk. First it was hydroxychlorquine which risked a national shortage, then UV (which at high levels can cause skin cancer), and now disinfectant.

If we are truly "all in this together," then we are "all in it together globally." People from other countries listen to the President and can't help but be shocked by what he says sometimes. Especially when it can put the health of people at risk.

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to happytulip

So sorry to hear about your friend. I appreciate how difficult this time must be for you.

This is/ was my point when I expressed my initial dis belief at what I’d heard him say.

The stupidity of a statement that could risk many more unnecessary deaths. And, the complete disregard for those who are grieving lost people.

Shalf
Shalf
in reply to Cwendyn

You have the choice not to read it remember.

Also, we all have the right to express.

I am aware that many people are very vulnerable, frightened and would try things they hear and see online or tv/radio especially from their leader in the hope of protecting themselves.

I was asked by someone if I had any Hydroxychloriquine because they heard it cures the virus. The person knows nothing of my medications but knows I have RD. A little knowledge is dangerous! Stay safe x

Cwendyn
Cwendyn
in reply to Shalf

Very true. And I'm out. Don't need this in my life in a forum that is supporting people that have concerns. Disappointed really

Keepin mind, one person died by injesting chloroquine (for his Koi pond) when Trump got on the podium and repeatedly suggested it and said “what do you have to lose?” His wife almost died too... so indeed, what he says people do. Whether they should know better or not, because people are scared. It’s irresponsible and frankly I think he should be held to account for his recklessness.

I absolutely agree.

No matter what my opinion of him is, there are others who respect and trust his word. That's why it's so reckless as you say.

AKDellitt
AKDellitt
in reply to Shalf

I was also asked about the medication.

Mmrr
Mmrr
in reply to AKDellitt

😪

Shalf
Shalf
in reply to AKDellitt

That's the thing, for some people they only need a snippet of news to then react! Some don't listen to the full story and that's why people in Trump's position should be very careful what they say. It was a stupid thing he did, just like it was stupid what our chief medical officer did by breaching her own instructions but the difference is, she apologised to the public.

happytulip
happytulip
in reply to Shalf

I was impressed how Sturgeon managed that situation. Very awkward.

Shalf
Shalf
in reply to happytulip

I know. Very embarrassing for her and Scotland really . Silly thing to do but yes Nicola handled it well but got some grilling from Piers Morgan. Feel sorry for her sometimes because she is a real trier to make things as well as they possibly can be.

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to Shalf

To be fair, she stands up well to Morgan and his ilk.

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to happytulip

Very admirable. I think she had led the country with transparency and a genuine empathy, involving all as much as is reasonably possible. It’s in stark contrast to other leaders.

Another I’ve been impressed by is jacinda Ardern, prime minister of New Zealand. Another strong leader. As an aside, I loved that she told the children that the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny were essential workers. I admire her humility.

lovemydoggy
lovemydoggy
in reply to Cwendyn

Point taken. It's so easy to get carried away in this crazy time, especially when you have underlying conditions. I am guilty of getting carried away on this thread, and apologize. The last thing I want to do is upset anyone. ❤️

I really dont think he's fit to be president after remarks like that. He backtracked and said he was being sarcastic but he was being serious. A lot of vulnerable people will believe him. He really should be stopped before he has blood on his hands through his really dumb comments

He is totally demented. That poor woman he looked to looked like she wanted to be anywhere but there.

Last comment, I’m grateful we all have a place to express our concerns. And this is rarely a political forum, but truly, politics and RA collided when Trump put us at risk, as a group, by causing a run on Plaquenil. This virus brought every politician’s response to Covid19 into our lives because we are an at risk group. And I we need a place to express our concerns and fears. I appreciate all of you and I appreciate being able to have this conversation! Said as a Us citizen.

Well said!!!!

As a U.S. citizen, I don't mind hearing the truth, even if it is embarrassing.

Me neither.

I am a Texan and I am embarrassed by what this man has said on national tv. He has caused more racism, more bullying, more ugliness than I can ever say. His base supporters are blindly loyal. I don’t know why and my own Dad is one of them. I haven’t seen him since Feb because I am quarantined because of my condition. He’s has been everywhere around his town. Practices no social distancing and thinks it all political. I, too, am afraid we will get this man another 4 years and that scares me to death!

Out of interest, do you get coverage of the news of the ICUs in Italy?

I'm just curious. Because if you do how does your father square that away with it all being political?

I'm not being rude, just trying to understand how someone can see news reports about health care systems being over run such as in Italy and Japan and put it down to politics?

Do people think that this virus isn't dangerous?

When I first heard the reports about Wuhan I thought "oh no, I hope that this isn't going to spread." But then I heard that it was a SARS/MERS type virus and I thought "oh crap," then when I saw what was happening in Italy, I thought "oh ......"

I worked the bird flu/swine flu and prepared for, but didn't see ebola so maybe I saw things from a clinical view point. But at no point did I look at news coverage of the virus and think that it had anything to do with politics.

Would you mind sharing what most peoples thoughts are about the virus in your area please? I keen to try and see it from everyone's view point.

Thank you

We’ve seen the coverage of Italy ICUs on NBC, ABC, CBS... what I mostly consider least biased and fair news organizations. As well as in a multitude of national publications and newspapers. However a large segment (if not most/all) Trump loyalists watch Fox “News”. Which that’s the channel name, but it’s registered as an entertainment station. Fox is very much Trump’s propaganda channel, IMHO so I can’t really speak as to what the Trunpsters are seeing on that channel. I’ve tried watching it on occasion so I could understand their perspective, but it’s so egregious in its “reporting” it infuriated me. I just can’t do it.

So the coverage is available, but Fox was with a Trump in supporting the hoax theory until early March. 🤦‍♀️ Italy, and New York City, have been heart breaking to watch. The devastation and loss of life, and the poor exhausted healthcare workers... it’s just gut wrenching to watch.

It will be intriguing (& I suspect quite astonishing) what happens when the virus reaches the Trump demographic—Largely rural, statistically less healthy, and with very limited access to care... will his supporters finally see how dangerous this virus is? Will they finally see how he has failed our nation? Black people in this country are dying at an astonishing rate due to comorbidities, some being similar to those facing rural Americans. If rural Americans die at a rate similar to blacks, in contrast to their city counterparts.... well the sh** might hit the fan and maybe we’ll see a very different perspective on Trump’s handling of this and his policies.

Sorry for the long answers and rambling thoughts. Time will tell, as they say, but ignorance is not always bliss. This virus scared me long before it hit stateside. My hubby thought I was being ridiculous when I stockpiled and prepared. I expected to be shut in for quite a time—and I have been. If not for his being an essential worker, he’d have been home too. I’m still quite worried but I’m grateful our governor has his wits about him. He seems to value life, even if it means the economy suffers. Economies recover, we can’t bring loved ones back from the dead.

Thank you for the explanation. It would make sense if supporters of one political party only watch one biased news channel. I think we have a good broad selection of news channels here in the UK.

The BBC is fact checked, I tend to not watch to much ITV because of the adverts and I watch Channel 4 news because it's always facsinating to see what tie and socks Jon Snow is wearing 😄.

I also enjoy watching Andrew Marr and Question Time so I think I get a well rounded view of things. If I only watched one news channel then my views would be narrower.

I totally agree with your views about being able to bring back the economy. We can do that. As you said, we can't bring back the dead.

There is so much emphasis on re starting the economy for fear of there being mass unemployment. But my thinking is that there might not be mass unemployment because everyone who suddenly leaves the lockdown could catch the virus.

The numbers of unemployed people that the economists are talking about might not exist if restrictions are lifted because they might all be dead.

That’s also true. Staying home has worked to save lives. If not for that the virus and deaths would’ve been much worse. Unemployment is tragic and scary. But recoverable. We all recovered from the Great Recession. We are resilient creatures. But death is final. Stay well ❤️

Just thought I'd throw in a new comment. Yesterday I got a surprise letter telling me I am receiving a stimulus check. Signed by Trump. Obviously, at the taxpayers expense! It's a waste of taxpayer money at any time, but at this time?????????? Imagine what that money could do to help. PPE, relief for states, relief for small business-HEY, how about a bigger stimulus check?

May I ask what a stimulus check is?

It's a check for Americas who make $150,000.00 (I think) or less per year. I think most people get $1200.00.

It is especially bothersome that it is “signed” by Trump... just another way he is tooting his own horn. When the citizens received stimulus checks back when Bush was President, they didn’t come with his name. The checks are coming from the United States Treasury and should say such. His name being on them is just another ploy for attention and recognition. I agree that the distribution of money has not seemed aimed at the people that really need it. It was rather cart blanch imho. But I hold congress and DT to that one. I’m sure the economy will come back. People here seem to love spending money more than anything. We aren’t a nation of savers. If people were, the people in the nation wouldn’t be flipping out after the first lost paycheck. But it’s hard to save when inflation rises but real wages don’t. 😢

Boy, this whole conversation thread went far and wide! It all started with a suggestion to inject sanitizer or expose the internal body with light. It feels like we beat a dead horse pretty thoroughly.

Haha, I know!

Haha! Yes, quite the thread. I think if he wanted his name on a needless letter it should've been financed by his campaign. After all, isn't that the motivation?

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Eiram50
Eiram50
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COPIED FROM A RESPIRATORY THERAPIST: As a Respiratory Therapist....I watched the clip about the "disinfectant that Trump talking about". People need to listen closely....and before I say this, I will tell you that I am not registered to vote and I don't vote. I am neutral. He is basically brain storming for an idea to help the lungs. He stated that the disinfectant kills the virus in one minute, so he proposed the question can we inject disinfectant (not Lysol), he used the word "disinfectant" ...in the lungs, but that is for the doctors to figure out. Now a lay person like Trump will say disinfectant and a medical person would say "medicine". Medicine dumped into the lungs happens all the time! I personally have dumped respiratory medicine down an Endotracheal tube directly into the lungs. When babies are born prematurely, guess what? Yes we "inject" the lungs with a medicine called surfactant that helps keep the alveoli open to oxygenate the lungs. Antibiotics are sometimes injected into infected parts of lungs through a chest tube. So what I want the general public to know, is that we do "inject" medicine into peoples lungs, that yes act like a disinfectant (antibiotics), so why is everyone in uproar over this? If you are a lay person and don't understand what he said then ask a medical person. His statement was so twisted around and misinterpreted, and this is coming from a Respiratory Therapist that has injected medicine in peoples lungs. Lysol brand has perpetrated misinformation and panicked the general public who doesn't know anything about lungs. And Trump never used the word "Lysol". So why did Lysol brand think he was talking about them, that's narcissistic on their part. Why would Lysol brand embrace that? they look ignorant. So people, yes we do inject medicine into the lungs! This is why people need to know the facts and stop panicking people.

happytulip
happytulip
in reply to Twinboys

I'm not a lay person. I'm medically trained, as many are on this forum.

They are also intelligent. I think it unwise to make assumptions that people can't think for themselves or that everyone is incapable of having medical knowledge.

And for the record, I've never "dumped" drugs into anyone, ever. I've "administered" drugs but "dumped?" Not a medical term I'd ever use or have ever heard before. Makes me question the reliability of that text.

Mmrr
Mmrr
in reply to Twinboys

I am a medically trained person too. I would never use the term dumping medicines into people. If a medic mentioned dumping anything into my system, I would be rather concerned, and question the premise, ask for clarification and my awareness raised at their apparant disregard for care and attention.

Medicine like all sciences functions on a complex nuanced language and precision.

As for using the term disinfectant when meaning medicine, well we have seen the furore that has caused. The terms are not interchangeable and do not mean anything remotely the same. Language is important. Using sloppy, incorrect language does not inspire confidence.

Pulmonary medicines are normally inhaled via a face mask, with or without mechanical assistance or given systemically via IV, IM or SC route, or buccaly perhaps. They tend not to be injected directly into the lungs.

If I said my child was unwell and I said in all seriousness that I was going home to dump some disinfectant by injection into my children's lungs I hope someone would question me.

Why would the public not understand someone saying ....we are going to look at using medicine directly into the lungs....?

And, those that are not able to understand every day language require more care with language, not less. As said disinfectant and medicine are not interchangeable terms.

Brainstorming is conducted within the specialist committee meetings, evidence assessed and plans developed. You do not brainstorm on national public TV, using inappropriate language which is factually incorrect....or rather you can, but you will get fallout....which is happening now.

happytulip
happytulip
in reply to Mmrr

I agree with you completely. I also had thought after I had replied that brainstorming is what you do behind closed doors with your team. You battle out a "plan of campaign" as my Mum would says. Then you walk out if those doors, face the press and LEAD the country. That is what was needed.

My second thoughts were that we know the Corona virus causes Covid19, which in the most critically unwell person causes a cytokine storm in IL-6 which can subsequently cause pulmonary oedema. So if someones lungs are filling with fluid they will lose their alveloi surface area for gaseous exchange which will make them have acute respiratory distress syndrome and make them severely hypoxic, which is why CPAP appears to be having good results in the stages before ARDS. So why would anyone in their right mind advocate putting a load of fluid down an ET into a set of lungs that are already filling with fluid? It would be like drowning someone.

Even I. Neonates and preemies I have never administered fluid down an ET tube, especially as a better route of administration is a umbilical line in neonates. I transgress because we were talking about adults. But putting fluid down fluid filled lungs is not going to do anything other than dry drown someone.

My last point that I thought is that if the virus is known to be spread by "aerosol" techniques, ie, anything that can cause a spray or mist coming out of the lungs which can be inhaled by others, it would surely be high risk to disconnect a closed circuit ET tube from a vent, administer drugs into the lungs and then suck it all out again. It would put health care workers at tremendous risk even in pull PPE.

These are just my thoughts. I would be interested in your response.

Have you ever put anything down an ET, I was taught that it was so ineffective and carried more risk than benefit and when I taught ALS I was told it was never a method that was used, not in the UK anyway.

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to happytulip

You’re absolutely spot on and to suggest otherwise would be ludicrous .

I just don’t understand why and how, any educated person can take these statements from someone like trump and certain medical professionals without question?

If fluid in lungs, the objective would be to relieve this, not add to it - even without any medical knowledge, it’s a simple concept to grasp and understand?

I agree fully too that brainstorming is what you do as a team and then present the ‘findings’ as a coherent message and a united front.

I say again, no matter which way you look at Trumps statement, it is indefensible and I will always struggle with the notion that people would blindly follow and agree with him.

Shalf
Shalf
in reply to Twinboys

But he admitted he was just being sarcastic. So he was well aware of the shock his remark would create.

He seems to enjoy causing a stir then sitting back waiting on a reaction.

It's not the time to play silly mind games.

America has lost circa 50,000 people.

That's a lot of grieving families.

If it were true as you describe, the doctor certainly didnt come forward to explain in medical terms to the public just what Trump was talking about and meaning.

Infact, the female doctor looked incredibly uncomfortable with what she was hearing.

He has admitted to being sarcastic.

Very different from your opinion that this has been twisted around or misinterpreted.

lovemydoggy
lovemydoggy
in reply to Shalf

She visibly cringed! Trump's go to is saying he was being sarcastic, didn't say what he did say or anything to cover for what's come out of his mouth. Blaming someone else is also a favorite of his. I can tell you he was not being sarcastic, and that's why he hasn't faced the press since. IMHO

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to lovemydoggy

I would have to agree with you in this. Following his ludicrous and dangerous statement about the disinfectant, he then stated ‘what is the purpose of having White House News Conferences when the Lamestream Media asks nothing but hostile questions.....Not worth the time & effort!’

Just incredible!

lovemydoggy
lovemydoggy
in reply to Eiram50

Yep. He was enjoying those briefings. I think he couldn't tolerate not being able to do rallies so he decided to grace us with the the News Conferences. Whatever will he do now with only Twitter? What a circus.

happytulip
happytulip
in reply to Eiram50

I think it's sad. The way that I read that is "the American people are not worth the time or the effort." In my opinion.

It leaves the American people without the physical presence of a leader in a time of crisis.

He really should just apologise, be humble and move on.

I haven't heard him apologize yet, for anything. Sadly, I believe he feels we are not worth his time, unless it helps him in some way. Narcissistic Personality Disorder at it's finest.

Disclaimer: I am a former therapist, but realize the formal diagnosis of this mental illness cannot be made on the basis of my observations of the man as president. My opinion based on limited information.

Thought I'd throw that in if anyone gets offended at my remarks regarding the president's mental fitness.

The tell tale sign is the 'narcissistic rage" that happens whenever he is challenged.

I would say he’s a narcissist and a sociopath/psychopath. I’m not a therapist, though I studied psychology ay University. As I understand it, a good deal of psychology experts concur. We should have a mental fitness exam for a President, not just a physical one. Of course, when our country was founded, we didn’t often live long enough to suffer dementia.

That is a good idea! It'll never happen, but a good idea. lol

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to Twinboys

With respect - absolute nonsense!

Anyone with a modicum of intelligence, never mind a president, would have used the word ‘medicine’- can we administer certain medicines directly in the lung, would be a credible question perhaps. But he asked about disinfectant - no intelligent person substitutes the word disinfectant for ‘medicine’ or ‘antibiotics .’

The world is really in trouble once we begin to look to justify such idiotic and dangerous comments by people in positions of power.

Sorry, I know you may feel upset by this but it is my opinion that there is no excusing nor defending the ignorance and stupidity of such a statement .

Twinboys
Twinboys
in reply to Eiram50

I was just posting what I’ve been seeing quite a bit from respiratory therapist/nurses etc. I am not in the medical field. Dr. Brix explained trumps answer herself. Regardless this is what I mean by if someone agrees with something about trump they get attacked. Just like the democratic governor that thanked trump for getting her the meds faster and she recovered, there was a protest. You cannot say people are not intelligent because you disagree with trump. People don’t want to get attacked so they stay quiet but have all intentions of voting for him. As I said before, most of my views line up with the Democratic Party, but when it comes to business, economy and not letting China take advantage of us, my views line up with the Republican Party. I’m not one sided, I don’t only see black or white. I love the color gray.

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to Twinboys

Can I be clear? I did not state that you or anyone else was not intelligent.

Equally, this, for me isn’t a question of agreeing or disagreeing with Trump, per se.

It is about the stupidity of the statement made and the ( already evidenced anecdotally) detrimental and dangerous impact of said statement.

Now people can attempt to turn around what he said by stating what ( they think) he meant but I’m afraid it simply doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.

Again for me, this is not about disrespecting your views, it is about challenging and questioning the views of someone in power who simply should have been better informed and committed to safely guiding his nation.

The fact that thereafter he stated that he wasn’t going to do that days briefing, ‘because it wasn’t worth the effort’ spoke to me of a mans who knew he had made huge mistake and was unable or unwilling to stand accountable for it.

These are my views, do not have to be shared or agreed by anyone else and importantly, and I cannot stress this enough, are not an attack on anyone else’s views or beliefs.

happytulip
happytulip
in reply to Eiram50

I second everything Eiram has said. I am not someone who is set against Trump. In a way politics don't even come into it. But he had made some shocking statements about this global virus.

1. It's a hoax

2. Hydroxychlorquine is a cure

3. Injection of disinfectant.

I would take issue with anyone in a high powered position who says this stuff. Especially points 2 and 3 as they have led directly to others coming to harm. 1 man died from chloroquine injection and at least 30 people treated for disinfectant ingestion/injection.

I'm not fussed about politicians. It's the words that come out of their mouths in a global pandemic that bothers me.

lovemydoggy
lovemydoggy
in reply to Eiram50

Agree. It takes a lot to keep him out of the spotlight. The fact he's not doing these briefings now speaks volumes.

AKDellitt
AKDellitt
in reply to Twinboys

In my view, the so-called therapist is giving Trump credit for "brainstorming" when in actuality, he thought he'd hit on something big - that's how his brain works. He throws outrageous ideas into the ether, thinking they are brilliant, and when people gasp in horror or disgust, his supporters and WH staff race to his rescue to "explain" what he "really" meant. He often denies ever having said something, when it's all on videotape to see. Didn't he/she hear his explanation the next day? He wasn't "brainstorming" - he was "being sarcastic to try and fool the media." No one should make excuses for him. We all heard what he said over and over - and Poison Control is under siege with calls.

Twinboys
Twinboys
in reply to AKDellitt

Credit only goes to Dr. Fauci, Brix and other medical personnel who are working day and night. I think you’re looking too far into it.

If you're talking about me. I said former therapist. I have credentials. I swear. 😆 Anyway, I NEVER make excuses for him. Perhaps I posted poorly or was misunderstood, but I put in a disclaimer to note no professional can make a diagnosis from observation of him as president. Was trying not to offend anyone. Looks like I missed tbe mark. Bottom line.... he's a narcissistic person and a narcissitic person doesn't care much about anyone other than themselves. Married one. Divoced him. Horribe people who could behave better than they do. Please don't throw me into the category of a Trump supporter. He thinks on the fly. I get how his brain works, but someone else said it perfectly. Brainstorming should be done before he speaks. He can manage a teleprompter and seem presidential. So he could answer with a simple "I don't know", "I'll look into it," or even better "I'll let the medical professionals address medical questions". He's àble to do that. He chooses not to. He just relishes the spotlight too much. He's a bully, and enjoys controversy. Seems to love fighting. I'm just really trying hard not to upset anyone. There was a post by someone who was upset at the thread. I apologized for engaging in getting a bit carried away myself and said I don't want to upset anyone on this forum. This person felt we had turned this away from a place of support. I don't want anyone to feel that way. Stress causes us all harm physically. The state of the world right now is stressful and, especially for us, quite dangerous. Trump, no matter what anyone thinks of him as fit for office or not has done poorly dealing with this unprecedented crisis. We need leadership now. We aren't getting it from him. I'd say the same thing about any democrat should they mess up like he is. Sorry for the long post, but I just can't be viewed as a Trump supporter. I had to post. Sorry to the person I apologized to as well. I wasn't going to post anything more, but I feel so strongly about Trump that I just had to.

I'm responding to AKDellitt btw.

I think there was a previous post about a response to a respiratory therapist so wires might have been crossed?

Oh thank God! I can't believe I felt so compelled to post. That's how passionate I am about the president. I don't know anyone here personally so it really wouldn't matter much if someone mistook me for a Trumpster. Just the thought makes me ill. OMG! I'm having a laugh now. 🤣

OK now I have to just post this. CNN just announced Trump is making 1,000 West Point Graduates travel back for graduation ceremony where he will speak rather than push the date forward until it's safer. Putting these young people, who are having strokes now besides getting ill and some dying, at risk just so he can speak at graduation....I have no words. That's saying something!

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to lovemydoggy

Outrageous!

They chlorinate chicken in the US because it kills bacteria so, his logic could be based on this!

I cannot see a connection between chlorinating chicken and injecting disinfectant into a human.......

Because it is presumed Trump has raised chickens on the farm or has engaged in any part of processing a chicken?!?! Or maybe he interned on a chicken farm as part of his graduate thesis in business? To even try to link chickens to his comments is such a stretch. Why try so hard to justify his dangerous statements? That’s almost as ludicrous. I’m sorry, but if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it’s a duck. He is an idiot and has no business speaking on potential treatments that his brain (not medically trained brain) comes up with on the fly. It’s dangerous! Despite I think he’s a complete moron, there are people who actually listen to this guy and do the crap he says because they are so desperate and scared.

The simple fact is... in a national pandemic, you offer guidance with proven strategies and medicines, safe medicines that have been trialed and are known to be safe and effective. He is not doing the job he was hired to do. His first priority should be to keep our citizens safe. instead he has endangered every one of us by calling Covid19 Virus a hoax, not utilizing WHO tests when offered, not having adequate testing capacity so as to isolate and limit spread, not ramping up production of PPE, ventilators, etc. He was more concerned about keeping his economy strong for his re-elections than planning and preparing and hopefully minimizing the disaster of a pandemic. And now he’s suggesting absolutely inane “remedies”.

we did not have to suffer The hit to our economy that we did. Look at South Korea. They responded fast and hard. Their outcome has been very different. Instead of worrying so much about his re-election and rallies, he should have been doing his damn job, listened to his own advisors, and paid attention to the warnings he was given.

I am quite passionate about this, as I was paying attention! I knew if this came here, I’d be at great risk personally. So his lack of response as the leader of our nation, his irresponsible advice, and his general ignorance and self serving behavior, is an unacceptable failure. He failed every US Citizen—regardless of the party to which they belong and countless families are mourning their lost loved ones. Healthcare workers are exhausted and scared. It was all absolutely unnecessary. I’ve been making masks for a month. Masks I know wont protect healthcare workers as they need them to. But they’re masks our president failed to have ready for the crisis he also failed to mediate. so as one person, I do what I can. I’d just like him to step up and do what he can to help, not hurt, more people.

Very well said. I hear your passion and frustration.

As a fellow citizen, I thank you.

Agree completely!!!!!!

Some people have actually done what he has said! 😳

Trump has a big problem with journalists and it's being suggested he said it to pee them off. Whatever his reason, STUPID thing to say.

lovemydoggy
lovemydoggy
in reply to Shalf

Stupid, stupid stupid!!!!!!!!

He has done better then most world leaders at the moment ..always keeping his fellow countrymen wellbeing in mind. Unlike others that are looking how to further themselves and their own political and world agenda. Let us know the facts before we pass judgement on others. ..let us as well be mindful and respectful of other countries leaders as we here in America respect yours.

Respectfully, how did you come up with the opinion he's done better than most world leaders? Germany and New Zealand come to mind. How can we have approximately 1/3 of the cases worldwide with a leader who's doing a good job?

I'm American btw.

You make an interesting point. There was a report on the news the other day about how well NZ, South Korea and Germany have handled the virus. The basis of the story was highlighting that they had successful female leaders with particular focus on NZ. (This isn't a femanist thing, just an interesting news report).

Taiwan has also managed things exceptionally but that is probably because they learnt from the terrible lessons of SARS in 2002/3 and were well prepared.

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to happytulip

I agree, particularly regarding jacinda ardern. She has proven herself a great leader in such challenging times. She leads with ‘adult conversations’ and empathy and she had the trust of the people.

lovemydoggy
lovemydoggy
in reply to Eiram50

Jacinda Adern, thank you for that. Couldn't think of her name. Was driving me crazy! 🙄

Yes, I've heard the most successful countries have women leaders. Interesting. Could be coincidence. Maybe not, but it's something to ponder. I'm very impressed with NZ. Her name escapes me at the moment, but after the shooting she took immediate action and she didn't mess around with COVID. Swift action in emergencies. If only we had someone like that instead of Trump. 😞

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to lovemydoggy

I know. I feel lucky that we have Nicola sturgeon at the helm for Scotland. Like her, or not, she had shown herself to be a great leader too. To me, there are a lot of similarities between her and jacinda.

Mmrr
Mmrr
in reply to Eiram50

Absolutely, like or loath her politics, Nicola Sturgeon has given out a clear, consistent informative message. She seems genuinely compassionate too.

Shalf
Shalf
in reply to Mmrr

Can you imagine oor Nicola standing on the podium at a briefing suggesting we inject disinfectants into our bodies to help us fight the virus 😳

Its absurd.

I can't even imagine Tom & Jerry saying that never mind our leaders!

Eiram50
Eiram50
in reply to Shalf

I genuinely couldn’t have imagined anybody suggesting this - the fact that anybody has, never mind the president of the US, just blows my mind!

Can you imagine the Scottish response if Nicola had? Thank god we have a population with common sense!

I am a U.S. citizen & I am aghast by his incompetent and tragic response to this pandemic.

What he said was crazy. Shocking really. He reminds me of a school bully you would try to hide from. The media can't be blamed for his mad comments and then him denying he said them. Cannot believe he has the top job.

Hidden
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I'm sure you were not the only one being reminded of watching a farcical B-movie version of an 🇺🇸 President.

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