I had written a previous post about how vinegar seemed to trigger my RA. No one else seemed to be affected so I googled it. Not always a wise move as it came up with this article about Sir Ranulph Fiennes and cider vinegar!!! I nearly blew my top.
Not surprising that a Daily Mail article about RA has... - NRAS
Not surprising that a Daily Mail article about RA has pissed me off.
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Ohhh simple really.now we know. Might aswell chuck my meds and cancel my app. 😁
Just get in an Epson bath and down a bottle of vinegar and you'll be fine!!
Ha ha ... It would probably cause an explosive reaction knowing my luck!!
Welcome to the world of RA.. .your blood will boil on a regular basis as there's a lot of this sort of thing around.
Which is not to say that simple home remedies may not help some people with a bit of osteoarthritis, but I hate the impression it leaves that we are at fault for not being 'cured' by something as straighforward.
I agree .x big babies aren.t we 😭😭
Too right. These people who are 'cured' by such remedies obviously don't have RA in the first place. Sir R has osteoarthritis anyway so it might have helped but I've got osteo as well as RA and cider vinegar didn't do anything for me.
Some people benefit from certain diets and cutting out some foods but if it was that simple.........
I agree this type of reporting isn't helpful. That said are some, more of our US members for some reason, who say cider vinegar does help them, but I've a niggling feeling it may be OA it helps not RD. Did nothing for me (I have both) but then I don't hold store with treating yourself when scientists can provide meds that make me feel human!
My own acupuncturist said that a low alkaline diet has been PROVEN to help RA. Maybe I should ask to see the proof.
Basically it's no dairy, no grains, no pulses, no red meat, pork or chicken, no animal fats, no sugar, no alcohol, no caffeine. I mean, just shoot me now!
So basically no good nutritious food..... no joy!
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NO ALCOHOL!!! Stuff that 😂
So that leaves water and celery?! 😒
No thanks sir, I only eat air! It's really easy to chew!
If your acupuncturist had said it has been proven to help "some" people with RA that might have been more realistic. I have strarted to ask people to show me the data/evidence/research that they are basing their claims on. For every person who finds a cure one way there seem to be many many people who are not cured that way. Hopefully in time the understanding will come that arthtitis is all its forms is complex - there is no simple answer that will suit everyone. Even the scientific approach only helps some, not everyone actually benefits from the drugs either.
Yes I'm beginning to see that too. It's a completely hideous illness that is different for every single person who has it. People can advise and suggest but no one can say it will work for you. My GP looked very concerned when I said it was on an online RA community. She said that it was great for support but that the amount of info I would get might overwhelm me. Not wrong there. But I have found everyone so kind and helpful and that is brilliant. Thanks all.
Well you know, if he says it helps him why not let him have that?
I drink apple cider vinegar with boiled water. Helps my gut, but doesn't do Jack for the arthritis. That said, neither have some of the prescribed drugs! 
I agree but it's the blasé attitude where he says he wasn't diagnosed with RA, didn't go to the doctor, but has labelled it as such.
When a bright person in the public domain makes flamboyant claims, many people follow their lead. Many many people would have read that article and decided to give up their medication and try cider vinegar instead.
Look what happened when Beyoncé said that she drank cider vinegar and cayenne pepper every day... millions decided to do the same thing and millions got sick.
I think it's using your position responsibly. I blame the daily mail. Grr.
Yes...but I also think that as individuals we are all responsible for our own health. Personally, I wouldn't be swayed by what Beyonce (or any other star) does regarding health.
I might read something with interest, and then do my own research. We all have choices I suppose.
I'm also fairly inclined to dismiss anything written in the Daily Mail!
I.ll keep the vineger just for my chips x
My father used to eat vinegar sandwiches!
Wow. White bread butter and vinegar I presume. My father essentially does the same thing when he's at a posh tea party. He pulls out the cucumbers from the cucumber sandwiches!
No - it was bread + vinegar OR bread + vinegar + white sugar!
Thin as a rake - he must have been the definition of a sugar burning metabolism.
I'm more surprise by Sir R. He's a highly intelligent man and although this article was written in 2008 I'm staggered that he actually doesn't even say he was diagnosed.
My hubby went to see one of his talks recently and he definitely didn't speak about arthritis or he'd have told me.
The Daily Mail Health Section is known in some quarters as, The PMJ -The People's Medical Journal as distinct from the BMJ...
Blood pH is under very tight control from the body - and a bit of vinegar pales into comparison when compared to the pH of our own gastric juices.
Some people probably respond well to diet modification - or enough to calm down some symptoms. At the moment there's no way to predict who might benefit or from what. My understanding of the Hill Diet (I couldn't see the article you linked but looking around other people discuss Fiennes and the Hill Diet) is that it omits some vegetables with oxalic acid ( Neonkittie17 mentioned these irritate her) and other items containing purines as Hill said that was beneficial for RA (tho' it sounds more like considerations for gout).
There is, of course, a fermented dairy product from Japan that is said to be useful for those who need to counter purines: dairyreporter.com/Manufactu...
iirc, one of the administrators of the FB group, UK Fermenting Friends obtained the bacteria she needed and ferments her own.
Ah, the daily fail ..
Suppversity has a lot of very technical discussion of the clinical research around the alkaline diet (tho' more in relation to physical performance than disease but there's a lot of discussion of PRALs etc.): suppversity.blogspot.co.uk/...
I must have had a double dollop of cynicism in early life and that doubles when/if reading the Daily Mail. If a sleb endorses anything I immediately think "really" and promptly ignore it. I loathe those articles which blame me for my conditon, even obliquely, because none of us caused this rotten disease and no-one seems to know what did. It's getting all too common to blame the sufferer for the condition and I'm sick of it. Eat fresh, eat sparingly, do more. It works for me. Sorry for rant
Jan
I have been told many times about the effects of vinegar and honey on the body!. Yes I have tried to include them in my diet! The first thing I read about vinegar, was that it has weight Loss power! If you drink an ounce each day it is supposed to prevent weight gain! I tried it! One swig a day is no worse tasting than a shot of booze! I have been able to keep my weight around 130 at 5'2"! I do not find this hard to do! Simply before bedtime I swig a mouthful before brushing teeth! I have not seen a negative on the effects of vinegar either for general health, and I am not sure of the benefits for rheumatoid, but I am able to maintain my weight without dieting! I was also told that the use of honey, produced locally was a very good additive! So I put some in my homemade smoothies! I love these when I am feeling nauseated! I scoop oatmeal, 1 spoonful peanut butter, 1 scoop pro time powder, almond milk 30 sweetened, a handful of frozen berries, or a banana, oranyother fruit available, A spoon full of honey with some crushed ice! This is a inexpensive meal replacement that is easy to prepare! I do not do this every day, but when I want food without cooking! I won't say it will cure RA, but it is a very tasty meal replacement! I did didcuss this with my primary physician, and as he is a health food fanatic he said there was nothing in this combo, unless I was allergic to any of the ingredients! Like I said it is a quick inexpensive meal replacement!
The DM is a comic, best not looked at except in desperation and no toilet roll!!
I went on a date with a guy and when I found out he read the daily mail I almost bolted. We didn't have a second date!!!!
I'm just looking for an article I saved re general health and alkaline and acidic foods.
what a clown. I will just give up methotrexate , sulfasalazine, humira and tramadol then , I'm obviously making this condition up.
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