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Hi, does anyone know if it's ok to have yakult or actively while taking methotrexate and Rituximab infusions please? x

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dozzer15

Meant to say actimel x

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Jess_doyle

I don't take that medication I'm on different medication but I find actimel helps with the stomach issues and never had a problem being on them, it's good baterica that's in them nothing harmful.

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dozzer15 in reply to Jess_doyle

Thanks that's what I want to take it for plus I get a of infection so I believe it helps when you have a lot of anti biotics. My mtx book lists a few things amongst which is unpasteurized milk but I thought these might be ok because as you say it's good bacteria. I will have to ring my rheumy nurse but I don't like bothering them unless it's urgent as they are really busy x

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helixhelix

These sorts of products use heat treated skimmed milk, not raw unpasteurised milk. However, do have a look at the sugar content on the packs - It might surprise you.

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dozzer15

Yes I rathe expected them to have lots of sugar but I eat a very healthy diet therwise and always choose sugar free in everything else but i probably will be put off when I look into it x

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nomoreheels

Aren't these types of drinks advertised as improving the immune system? I may be wrong but if so don't want mine improving! Plus the sugar content, we've stopped buying low fat yoghurt because of the amount of sugars in them, there's more in a pot of the one we used to buy (it's name escapes me) than in a custard finger doughnut. Greek yoghurt is even worse.

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AgedCrone in reply to nomoreheels

Also...can ' t remember where - I read there is not enough in them of whatever it's advertised they contain that is supposed to be beneficial to make a difference ,......so unless you just like the taste they are a very expensive drink.

Must say I still buy Apple & Cinnamon low fat yoghurt as it's so yummy!!!

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nomoreheels in reply to AgedCrone

The Rachel's' Apple & cinnamon Greek was one of my h's favourites, along with Aldi's low fat Greek which he added their frozen forest fruits. We stopped buying Rachel's as it had about 14g of sugar per 100g.

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AgedCrone in reply to nomoreheels

I have lost 12 kgs lately from the effects of Taking Leflunomide so I am kidding myself one large pot a week is not going to do too much harm....so scrummy on granola for breakfast with fresh blueberries!

I do keep an eye on my glucose on my blood tests & it's nowhere near a problem......I'll raise a spoon & think of you & Mr Nomoreheels when I have brekky tomorrow.

Although you are right... low fat yoghurt has loads more sugar than the regular formula....apparently without the fat it tastes awful, so,they throw in sugar instead!

When I.m in a culinary mood i make my own...just regular milk plus one pot of live yoghurt...pop it in the airing cuoboard overnight ...voila plain yoghurt! No fat, no sugar...throw some fruit on it & it's fine!

Bon Appetit!

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nomoreheels in reply to AgedCrone

No, absolutely, enjoy it. It's just my h is diabetic & they've been swapping his pills about so his blood sugars are mucked up & he's bothered about it as he's usually able to control it better. Your granola brekkie sounds delish.

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woodstar1

Not sure if it's ok but I take a high strength probiotic capsule every day, definitely not doing me any harm.

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dozzer15

Well I was only asking because i read an article by a doctor the other day and she said they were worth taking especially when you take anti bioticx

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nomoreheels in reply to dozzer15

But the thing is, as I see it anyhow, often 'recommendations' are based on & targeted at otherwise healthy people (in this case those taking antibiotics, possibly to aid them) not people with overactive immune systems & the drinks are promoted as boosting the immune system whilst we need to do the opposite.

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Jacki08 in reply to nomoreheels

My consultant said that anything that improves the immune system is a definite no no- as the drugs we take are to suppress the immune system x

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helixhelix in reply to nomoreheels

But probiotics are completely different from the sort of immune system boosters that we need to avoid. I imagine that the marketing re immune system is much more along the lines of "a healthy gut flora is a healthy body, and a healthy body can fight off bugs". And since the jury is still out whether the yoghurts actually do any thing anyway then I doubt it's worth worrying about.

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nomoreheels in reply to helixhelix

The Kakult site does specify for people with a medical condition the recommended you talk to your doctor but that's nonspecific advice. One of the listed long term possible side effects (I know covering, their backs) which I've found on a few sites is autoimmune disease among others such as heart disease, not good either I don't think so I'd prefer not to spend my money on quite expensive sweet milky drinks, though I appreciate many do.

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sylvi

I take actimel and i am on mtx. No side effets either darling.xxxxx

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ruth_p

Mostly your stomach acid will kill the bacteria anyway. There's no actual scientific evidence that proves they work, in fact pretty much the opposite. The article I was reading the other day said you might as well just eat natural yoghurt. X

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woodstar1 in reply to ruth_p

There is quite alot of research into this, have a read it's very interestingarthritis.org/living-with-a...

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ruth_p in reply to woodstar1

That article only quotes two studies one with on 46 patients and the other on mice. Also it had no references.

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woodstar1 in reply to ruth_p

Yes I know, I did read the article. Just thought some people would find it interesting!

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dozzer15 in reply to ruth_p

I have a hiatus hernia and Barrets oesophagus so I have to take proton pump inhibitors to suppress stomach acid. I can't always eat yogurt so I just wondered if something like this would be easier to get down x

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ruth_p in reply to dozzer15

It's basically runny yoghurt.

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AllyWelshDragon

I buy plain 0% fat bio-live yogurt, which I put on my fruit for breakfast. It's stopped me having any sicky feelings from the mtx. Or maybe its the placebo effect, who knows!!

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Gigi71

I also have 0% bio yogurt with fruit and a gluten free cereal without sugar every morning and find this helps.

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andyswarbs

imo, probiotics are a crucial part of healing the gut and, as the research indicates, can help reduce inflammation. Taking them becomes more important as the years roll by because of the bodies reduction of ability to produce enzymes from about the age 30 by 10% per year.

Personally I would advise against dairy-based products (eg yoghurt) and recommend instead things like sauerkraut, tempeh and kefir, especially because you can make them yourself to your own taste.

makesauerkraut.com/sure-fir... is a website dedicated to the subject.

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nomoreheels in reply to andyswarbs

Yuk, it's not a word I like but it's applicable, I hate sauerkraut!

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helixhelix in reply to nomoreheels

I love homemade sauerkraut (not stuff in tins which is just acid). But only with sausages and since I can't eat them any more it's off the menu!

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nomoreheels in reply to helixhelix

I tried it at a German friend's house as it was served to me, well, you do when someone's worked hard delivering a meal. A bit embarrassing but I saw it again not long after, not a nice memory! Amongst the same group of friends was a Swedish couple who thought it was a good idea to serve us a typical Christmas dinner including Janssons frestelse, an ingredient of which is cured sprats complete with all the little bones, not a dish I'd recommend if you're a bit squeamish like me.

Both Yakult and actimel do not survive the stomach acid.