I'm here because, obviously, i smoke and would very much like to quit. The problem is, my smoking has more than just the cigarette component.
The truth is its become such a way of life. Everything i do is punctuated by a joint and its been like this for about 15 years. When i reason it, i know that its the nicotene i'm addicted to and not the dope. Arf.. the reality is somewhat more difficult to apply to logic though.
Is anyone else in a similar situation?
I mean, i'm sitting here now smokin a j and looking at it and thinking, "I love you and i hate you."
How am i gonna stop?
Arf.
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What i seem to have done over time is give up the cigarettes (which i used to smoke as well) in favour of "just" smoking grass. I suppose i've exaggerated a bit in my first post when i say everything i do is punctuated by smoking. Thats not strictly true.. when i'm working i'll go the whole day without smoking a thing. Its just when i get home i go a bit mad for it. A dopaholic, if you will. At the weekends, like today, the toll is heavy and i can sit and smoke j after j.
A real issue is how panicky i can get when i'm running low, its quite sad really. Yet i can go without cigarettes with (seemingly) no problem.
As for the paranoia and social issues attached to smoking dope, these are prime factors in my wish to stop smoking dope. It would be nice to not be thinking in terms of the worst possible scenario. Arf, it can often take a concious effort to not go off on a moment of anxiety and despair which, at the very least, makes you act a bit wierd.
Well its been many years since i've smoked a joint, and to be totally honest I never really smoked that much but at the time it was cool.
Apart from the time me and a business partner stood at Vancouver Customs in Canada rolling a smoke after the 12 hour flight and our grass fell onto the floor infront of a huge customs guard asking the questions "Anything to declare and what is the purpose of your visit?". Needless to say we didn't panic took a little pace forward and stood on the offending item, and casually bent down to re-tie our shoe laces to pick it up. Ahhhh, those were the days...
However I have a similar problem with smoking regular tobacco, I'll stand at the back door before going to bed most nights and think to my self I need to quit I've had enough, by the time the morning come I think bugger it and start rolling, I go through love hate phases daily with smoking and back in June this year I managed to quite for 21 days. During the 21 days the battle was more with myself than the habit or addiction, my problem is I do enjoy a smoke and want to give up purely for future health reasons.
Feels like I am stuck inbetween a rock and a hard place most of the time. However I will say duing the 21 days giving up I started having days where I was so happy and felt so much better than I ever did while smoking.
In my opinion you just want to pick a day to quit and grind through it, I found that getting past day 1 is the hardest for me, after day 1 you've got something to build on. And it was good moving up the topics in this forum as days and weeks started to pass.
In my opinion you just want to pick a day to quit and grind through it, I found that getting past day 1 is the hardest for me, after day 1 you've got something to build on. And it was good moving up the topics in this forum as days and weeks started to pass.
Thank you for your post.
I find this a great help as i've often thought i really do enjoy chilling at the end of the day with a nice j. Its become a great pride to me how perfect those smokes are and it IS really just for health reasons that i'm so concerned.
But those health reasons are justifiably large. I never fail to remember that each joint is unfiltered and consequenlty much more dangerous than if i'd just smoked the cigarette that went in it.
(And when it comes to the crunch with authority, i'm cool as a cucumber Got many stories about that but now probably isn't the time)
My sister mainly bongs it and so there fore cannot be too addicted to the nicotine but almost purely the dope though she will use a ciggie if she is in a situation where she cannot have the bong
She is madly addicted and I have seen whats become of her and how sad her life is now
I understand the situation you are in and i would recommend a trip to the docs to explain the situation to see if they have anything that may help with the anxiety you feel when you do not smoke dope
Good luck and we are here to support you every step pf the way
Yayy, thanks
I've actually already approached my doctor about the effects of not smoking dope and i've been prescribed with "cool-downers".... which i take as well as smoking dope. Not for any ulterior motive of getting free drugs, more because i tried to quit at the time but failed. I haven't consulted my doctor regarding this failure, however.
I feel very sorry for you mate, it is a very hard thing you have to do, you have got to have double the determination that everyone else has but it can be done.
My friend and her husband managed to do it but they did have help by using zyban.
I am sure if you want it bad enough you can get your head focused and go for it and succeed.
I find this a great help as i've often thought i really do enjoy chilling at the end of the day with a nice j. Its become a great pride to me how perfect those smokes are and it IS really just for health reasons that i'm so concerned.
After working at home (especially in my industry / trade) there is nothing like standing outside in the pitch black no noise and having a relaxing smoke to ponder over the day and what is coming up next in the week.
I totally understand where your coming from... But you're right, health is paramount.
I gave up in June for 21 days with another member of the forum (Barb6374), unfortunately we both failed (Although Barb quit for 11 weeks, compared to my poor 3 weeks). We were speaking today, first time for a long time and we have decided to start our new no smoking campaign Wednesday 10th. So last smokes for us 23:59 hrs Tuesday night.
You are more than welcome to join us!!! The more the merrier...
I have a sister like that Boudee. She has smoked pot as far back as I can remember and I am 48. 15 years ago herion was in the mix. I do know that at 47 she has the mentality of a 16 year old. Has confrontation issues. Doesn't even remember things the way they really were, and if you try to correct her look out. I don't know if she is parinoid issues or not because I am not around her that often ( thank heavens). I don't understand what people see in it. I see it as a downer and most people have enuff depression and being down without the help of anything natural or chemical. People tend to be lazy and just want to "chill" . I would rather be out doing things than laying on a couch enjoying a buzz. My buzz comes from life.
They say here in america that pot is not addicting but I can't say one way or the other. I see benefits of it for pain management but for nothing else. I think it is stupid and an absolute waste of money. Yes, I beleive that about smoking now too.
Lay the stuff down just like the rest of us do. I don't know if patches or gum or champix will help for pot withdraws or not. Who the hell knows.
Hello and welcome Cloud 9! I have never been in your boat before so I am not much help when it comes to pot, but i am sure it is a very hard habit to break because of the way it makes you feel when you light up. I think you will have to take the same procedures to quit smoking pot as we take when we quit smoking cigarettes. Keep yourself busy and remind yourself about all of the negative side effects smoking will have on you. It will be a hard process, but you can do it! Think positive and put your health first. Glad you have found this forum because we are always here to keep you busy when you feel the urge to smoke. Choose a date to quit and keep posting! Good Luck
I was a pot smoker for many years about 19:eek: . I too used to panic when i was running low and would hunt hi and low for more. If it went dry and you couldnt get any i would be going mad. So i know exactly what you mean.
But i havent smoked a joint for nearly 3 years. You can do it.
The first week is probably the worst, its all you think about and i smoked more fags. But now I dont give it a thought. I had problems sleeping after i stopped and even now still have some sleep issues bt then i was stoned every night for years so my body passed out rather then went to sleep.
I think it must just be the same as giving up smoking, take one day at a time and feel proud that you managed another day.
You will feel so much better for it believe me. You will go out more instead of hiding away in doors.
I dont think I have suffered any long term effects, maybe i am one of the lucky ones.
I am now giving up smoking and if i can give up Puff i can give up the fags.
Had some very odd dreams about being some sort of super being who could go through walls and stuff. I had to find a nuclear reactor in a building but was having difficulty finding it. Kept on falling down liftshafts. Oh and i couldn't findmy keys for the car either. Then i bumped into Ronald Reagan who gave me back my keys and showed me a blueprint to the building with the reactor with the words "Don't tell maggie".
Oh boy! This one is a biggy! I used to love lighting up a good ol J back in the day! I swear it used to keep me from beating my kids when they were little! I gave it up years ago when it got to the point where it was ruling my life. Drought season would be the worst! I finally got to the point where I realized how stupid it really was. I will say in my opinion, you won't be able to give up the cigs if this demon isn't tackled also. I remember them going very well together. After smoking one you want to smoke the other. They go together like pretzels and beer! Good luck! You can do it!!!!
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Had some very odd dreams about being some sort of super being who could go through walls and stuff. I had to find a nuclear reactor in a building but was having difficulty finding it. Kept on falling down liftshafts. Oh and i couldn't findmy keys for the car either. Then i bumped into Ronald Reagan who gave me back my keys and showed me a blueprint to the building with the reactor with the words "Don't tell maggie".
hi cloud - i feel addicted just to fags or to be precise the " time out" from the daily stress -but luckily never liked to smoke anything else....i pay you respect for giving up and ask you to hang on and persevere - too may people smoking dope etc. have psychosis, depression etc. - this is your chance not to go insane! take it!
I am here to report my apparent failure to stop smoking. I got into the evening of Day 2 before my dealer came round to the house (in all innocence to see my flatmate). But the joint was passed and i couldn't... i just failed to not not take it. Then i ended up buying some
Its just so difficult to stop. My dealer is a friend and a friend of my friends too. So access will always be there. I could say, "never sell it to me, again". But one day i may ask again and its not fair of me to put a mate in that position. The problem lies solely with my inability to refuse it when offered.
It was mentioned above about the mental problems that dope use can cause. I wholly acknowledge that. In fact to the extent that i have procured for myself an appointment at a Glasgow quackery practice on the 31st Oct where i hope to receive counsel on my reasons for smoking (posted in the reasons section) and how to put to rest the daemons within. For they must be the real cause for this hiding.
I'm sorry for this failure, but in a way i'm glad for it too. This has been the first REAL attempt to stop in the better part of ten years and it has highlighted to me the real issues of the problem. Those two days of relative sobriety, although pretty gritty, were enough to make me aware of things i'd forgotten. Feelings and emotions that were too hard to control. But along with fear and grief came elements of hope and strength. I will see them again!
This is, by no means, the end of my endeavour to quit smoking. Next time i shall have regular counselling to go hand in hand with it.
Next time i touch down on the tarmac of the real world, i shall have better brakes. See you in the baggage hall
Well, I have smoked 3 - 5 joints a night for many years and gave it up exactly a week ago. I must confess I was so aware of the problems being a stoner were causing me that after a troublesome and hyper first evening I reaped the benefits so quickly that I thrived by night two on not having pot. However, I have compensated with having a couple glasses of wine to take the edge off - I'm not even gonna ****yse that one yet, I can deal with that addiction in the future lol!!! By the 'problems' I mean my sluggishness in the mornings, my inability to get motivated to get up and ready, my over-eagerness to get the kids off to bed so I could get stoned etc etc. I can categorically state even now when I am enjoying thoroughly being off pot that I think a joint and being stoned is wonderful. Bizarre.
However, I had four days after giving up pot where I still smoked roll-ups and had my last one of them on Monday 15th October at 9.37am! It's not been too bad this week but today has been the worst. It's absolutely refreshing on here to see that it really is no worse for me than it is for the rest of you. I think that's what's keeping me going right now.
When I went on holiday my other half went without, it wasn't a quit just common sense, he wasn't going to ruin our holiday of a lifetime by getting caught at customs!
We had a great week and he had some very vivid dreams! but all week he smoked one cigarette.
He went back as soon as we got home which I found frustrating as he had done so well, he never said he'd quit but I was wishfull!
My point being, thinking 'oh s**t never again panic sets in. just day by day or even hour by hour and things are easier x x x x
Oh and the wine thing :rolleyes: most of us here 'take the edge off things' planning an AA forum some point in the future
Hey Cloud9 not sure if you're still reading but just in case, best of luck with your probs, i hope you have success fighting your demons.
I haven't touched dope for 115 days!! Thats 4 months next Friday. I cannot believe how much my life has changed in that time - ALL for the better. And the most important things is that i like myself now and most of the time i'm happy.
I'm so glad i kicked it and hope i never get dragged down by it again.
Really hope you can do it too, when you are ready and strong enough.
Quit smoking weed, get your energy, your memory and your motivation back (speaking from experience).
I experimented with it when I was younger, and got on the slippery slope. Luckily I managed to grab the ledge and drag myself back up, while many of my friends plummeted down
(I don't have time to read this whole thread, but I hope you have started already, the best of luck my friend! :cool: )
Started the next phase of "project sort my life out" by stopping eating meat (With my new found self confidence/discipline, which you all helped me gain )
My mum is a vegan, and I didn't eat meat until I was about 13 either, so it's not completely alien to me. But we'll see!
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Rain, rain, go away! It needs to move over to southern California where wildfires from drought conditions are burning peoples homes left & right! Good luck on setting another quit date. I know how hard it is. I still miss a good "J" once in awhile when I'm stressed. It was really hard to come by here when I quit so it was pretty easy. I hope a weed drought comes by you real soon! :rolleyes:
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I'm here because, obviously, i smoke and would very much like to quit. The problem is, my smoking has more than just the cigarette component.
The truth is its become such a way of life. Everything i do is punctuated by a joint and its been like this for about 15 years. When i reason it, i know that its the nicotene i'm addicted to and not the dope. Arf.. the reality is somewhat more difficult to apply to logic though.
Is anyone else in a similar situation?
I mean, i'm sitting here now smokin a j and looking at it and thinking, "I love you and i hate you."
How am i gonna stop?
Arf.
Hi all. :DHey cloud_9, it's called living in today's upside down "bizarro" worlds.... This world is so anti-hapiness that it's only normal so many of us fall into substance abuse in order to find some form of happiness.
I am the same way as you are, and my hubby also agrees...
I am not saying it's a necessary "good" thing per se, but alas, it is an effect of having to survive in today's modern backwards world....
I knew someone in the same situation. They never quit though ha. But still, try and cut down on your dope a hell of a lot, or roll with those herbal cigarettes (they have no nicotine or tobacco in, the only harmful thing is the tar). Find out what way you think will work best for you to quit, for example patches or cold turkey or something. Obviously it needs to be gradual and you'll also have to find something else to do with your time.
Ok troops, here's the situation as it seems today. Truth is, i'm a haunted man. Last night i dreamt of so many things of the past. This happens a lot, woke up crying several times. Now i'll happily admit that the dope could be a major cause of this.. but its also the only apparent relief too. This morning, i rolled up before i'd even had a shower!
Therapy. Next Wednesday. I'm really looking forward to getting this started. I need unity again. Many Mwahs to all.
Maybe you should try using in a different form besides smoking & give your lungs a break. Maybe some maryjane brownies or weed lasagna?? I dunno?:confused: I heard the brownies are quite tasty!
Maybe you should try using in a different form besides smoking & give your lungs a break. Maybe some maryjane brownies or weed lasagna?? I dunno?:confused: I heard the brownies are quite tasty!
Day 26!
Oh yeah!! spend the day baking some space cakes
Mary, is there something you're not telling us about your cup cakes :rolleyes:
Actually I though it a great suggestion and was said in good humour x x x x
As for your your daughters paycheck hope it all comes out in the wash, and all is ok :rolleyes:
Maybe your due a special batch
hehehehe
In truth, it IS a good suggestion. At least from the perspective that when i considered it, it really boiled down to the fact that its the act of rolling and smoking joints that appeals. Besides, you'd get through £100's per month doing it this way.. and i cannot afford that. If anything, the thought re-affirms that its all about the smoking and not necessarily the dope. The smoke itself [and not necessarily its contents/toxicity] is part of the "relaxation" process. What i really need to do is totally redefine my relaxation techniques.
C'mon brain cells, rally for one last bout of logic.
Its the smoke, not the dope, that i crave so much. Arrarrarr, this habit will die soon. Common sense WILL prevail.
my sister is a dope addict so i know you can be an addict to the dam stuff, i also have seen her husband become hooked also, they use a bong from morning until night and when the stuff drys up they get major with drawels, quite shocking to see really
they smoke cigs when they can't have the dope but they only use a small amount of the cig for a bong, well you know all of that but do not smoke cigs at all while they sit and bong all day every day
they actually won't go out for an all day trip with there small child because they can't bong it :confused:
maybe you need to ditch one at a time, I think the dope still leaves you not thinking clearly enough to get of the cigs so maybe get rid of the dope first, get a much clearer head on you and then the cigs, I personally think that putting too much pressure on your self with giving up both at the same time may give you less chances of making the finish line
give them up soon mate, don't end up like my sister, I have lost her and i know she will never be any different even if she gave up now, she has changed so badly over the years i can no longer recognize her
Are you sure they aren't doing something else besides weed? I use to smoke myself for a long time, and i know alot who still do. I don't recall it being even remotely as hard as cigs. Then again, if they are lacing it over there w/something who knows???? This could be a good poss.
I think E40 is 80 here if i am converting correctly. I think 1 US dollar is 2 dollars converted. If that makes any sence?? If that were spent here it would be 14 grams or a 1/2 ounce. for 2 habitual people here that is about normal. Do u think they have any brain cells left?:eek: So gald I stopped when i did!
My brothers the same dont know what world hes in most days he dont bong smokes skunk but lots of it. But they have got to want to stop them selfs like my son and his drinking he is trying now been to AA every week for the last 5 week so touch wood. He have had one or two slips but at leased he stops again next day Linda xxx
Kazza - a 'bong' is a device to smoke pot or hash. I've seen them using plastic bottles and a bottle of water. There are many variations.
The point is to 'draw' a high from the pot or hash.
Similar to when we used to 'draw' on a cigarette, instead of 'drawing' on a joint, they will draw on the end of whatever device they choose to get a high from the pot or hash.
There are so many ways of doing it, it unreal!!!
I've seen people get high by smoking pot via an apple or a coca-cola can.
Well. So far so good. Finally kicked the dope. Early days but its been about 4 days now. Had some awful urges to phone the dealer but managed to refrain and just rapidly smoke a roll up instead (intend to kick them too once i'm comfortable with the no-dope scene). Its funny, once you've got the strength its all easier. Once you can say to yourself (and mean it), "I just don't need it.", you're well on the way.
I haven't been this straight in years. Got so much energy, i've no idea where to put it.
To be honest, i've barely thought about it today! I realise thats just a thing and that tomorrow may not be the same, but generally.. its gone. There's also the feeling that, "holy shit, i've made it this far. I didn't think that could happen". For some reason i was scared to try too hard. Arf.
There was a funny moment in the shower this morning when the world suddenly felt and looked different. Kind of like changing the lens on a camera :eek: It was necessary to sit down.
Its so wierd. In the last 4 days i've been so much more pro-active too. I think even the mental release from the dope has had a profound effect. I'm even applying for better jobs now!
This last point will sound cheesy as hell. But a huge factor in the change in mindset was this:
recently i went camping with a huuuuge group of mates up in the highlands. The middle of december and in the most gorgeous glen.
Now, among those mates was someone i cannot stand. No, its cruel to say, but she does my nut in. She has it in her mind that i'm "Mr Dope", someone to scrounge off and someone that she sees it as her right to pester for joints every time we meet. Man, this camping trip was just one pester after another. In the end i truly resented the fact that thats all i am in her eyes. Its all she seemed to think about too. That was the eye opener. I thought, "good god, its so important to her". From then on my urges to smoke joints were overshadowed by the importance it was attributed in my own mind (let alone hers). And thats when the revelation happened: The more important it is to you, the more difficult it is to just cut it loose. So i downgraded it. Chucked it in economy class and gave it a bag of nuts instead of the silver service first class seat i'd given it before. Seems to have worked.
I was gonna come online and share that at the time too but being a physicist (by training) i also realised that the very act of observing something forces it to take on a state of being and at the time i thought that if i give it such importance to come and talk about it, it'd more likely fail... if that makes sense?
HI Cloud the pics are fab My oldest son would love the second one. He got a thing about photos that look good anyway up. Well done mate I think you could well have turned a very big corner in your life. So pleased to be one of the people involed Linda xxxxxxxxx
Would you believe i'm still going strong? Decided not to bother counting the days but the internal label of "Dinnae smoke dope no more" is stronger than ever. Much love to all and ARF!
Yayy, i'm up late just playin aroon on the computer. Its funny, this very place where i'm sat is where the vast majority of the joints i smoked were smoked. I used to fret about what i'm going to do when i stop.. the computer will feel like somewhere alien. Its not like that at all. Life is very much the same, except with the obvious difference that i'm much quicker on the draw! I'm on the ball. Yayy. Spend much less time at the computer, right enough. But thats fine. I have something of a social life again.
All that fuss. All that fear. It seems like a very long dream now.
I smoked pot for 8 years day and night. I know all about your anxiety and paranoia. I smoked cigs also. One day I just woke up and decided dope wasnt important anymore. Pot stores in your fat cells and basically your body over time once you quit releases the pot stored little by little so you dont feel a physical craving. Really it is just dealing with the habitual parts of pot smoking. I have been on medication for my anxiety for years now and see a therapist for anxiety issues and panic attacks. The meds helped with quitting and I quit smoking cigs the same time i quit smoking J's. I have developed a web site dedicated to how I quit smoking cigs maybe you can relate that to stopping your pot habit also. It has been 7 years for me and I dont miss it a bit.
Yayy, i'm up late just playin aroon on the computer. Its funny, this very place where i'm sat is where the vast majority of the joints i smoked were smoked. I used to fret about what i'm going to do when i stop.. the computer will feel like somewhere alien. Its not like that at all. Life is very much the same, except with the obvious difference that i'm much quicker on the draw! I'm on the ball. Yayy. Spend much less time at the computer, right enough. But thats fine. I have something of a social life again.
All that fuss. All that fear. It seems like a very long dream now.
I would beg to differ. I would say it to be around equal. And i don't say that to be deliberately difficult, i say that because its a psychological addiction that is every bit as profound to the mind as the smoking of cigarettes. My quitting has been very hard at times because of:
a) the social expectation; a vast proportion of my good friends are dope smokers and it has been excruciating to be around them while they are smoking, knowing that i should not and will not take any (even though on many levels i WANT to).
b) the physical craving for the nicotine level that i've been used to, i.e. unfiltered joints using standard cigarette tobacco, has now been hugely reduced to just one or two roll up cigarettes per day. The simple fact of the matter is that at the end of that cigarette, i just end up wondering what the point was and wishing i'd just smoked a joint instead. But no, those days are gone.
This is all a half-way house and i think i'm very nearly ready to just stop smoking entirely. Like i said, i smoke a ciggy and wonder what the point was. Its just going through the motions for the motion's sake.
The point to my efforts to stop smoking has been to simply take all of the emotion out of it. It has worked so far.
I've smoked the dreaded weed for over 10 years now and today is my first day of giving up not only the backie but the dope. I'm a bit worried that I will surcumb again as its always the lure of the weed that gets me. It's also the rolling up too. I've decided to sit on my hands and purse for the next 2 years ... I'll let you know how it goes!
Well done on taking the plunge, its not easy as both give your body different reactions when you use them and then you have 2 lots of cravings to deal with and the worse thing is that they both seem to go hand in hand with each other, good luck to all those who are fighting both addictions x
I've smoked the dreaded weed for over 10 years now and today is my first day of giving up not only the backie but the dope. I'm a bit worried that I will surcumb again as its always the lure of the weed that gets me. It's also the rolling up too. I've decided to sit on my hands and purse for the next 2 years ... I'll let you know how it goes!
Sam
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Wow and Yayy! Firstly, well done for thinking that its something that you don't need! And secondly, well done for coming here and finding this thread (i truly hope it will be of help.. It was my battle and i've won!)
The crucial thing i have to say is that its amazing how easy it actually was to give up. Ok, yes, there were pangs and moments of weakness where i thought, "god it would be so easy to call my dealer". But truly, once you're over the initial shock (almost panic) that you've stopped, its like you've found the crest of the metaphorical hill and you've got an easy walk after that. One thing that really helped me was being around someone who pestered me nonstop for joints. In the end, i really resented the image of being "mr dope guy". Try to disassociate the importance of dope in your life and you'll be fine.
I would recommend also that you keep smoking menthol tipped rollies for a while, they don't taste like normal cigarettes and they satisfy the immediate craving to smoke something (anything).
Another thing, don't punish yourself if you don't manage to stop this time. It took me a few times to get the momentum going.
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