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The Weight (and healthy eating) of the Nation set to become political again?

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Thank you so much for posting this Concerned :) I haven't got time to listen to all of it right now (Admin duties call!), but I have listened to the first 3 minutes or so and I am really excited to hear somebody talking out loud about all that we know is true. Maybe change will now start to happen and the Government and NHS will start to change their guidelines.....a slow process it will be I am sure :)

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What I hadn't realised is that Tom Watson has lost almost seven stone in the last year by eating more natural fat and greens; less carbohydrate.

I had heard he has been consulting with the Public Health Collaboration recently; now it makes sense.

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7 stone is good going in a year - l am still learning (slow learner!) about the low carb high fat, but it is definitely the way I am going. My fridge this week is looking good on the low carb side that is for sure and I feel better for cutting out the shite/beige carbs that is for sure. Tom Watson mentions 'brain fog', I have to say it is something I have suffered with for a long time, but it is no where near as bad now a days.

I do really appreciate the information you share with us here :)

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Purely selfish motives. If I can be a small part of stopping people suffering in the way my Mam did, I will die happy :-)

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You are far from selfish Concerned - but I do understand what you are saying :)

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When I get "Brain fog" I do not know if it is caused by hypoglycaemia, or Cerebral hypoxia, hypotension and bradycardia, or what.

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Could you get a glucose meter? One less thing to worry about. Also, bp monitor would reveal bp at the time and heart rate. Fingertip oxygen monitors can be quite inexpensive too.

These home health devices and apps are okay as long as we don't start trying to replace health professionals with them.

Having said that, displaying my own personal bias again, I think they will reveal insulin resistance as a root cause for a lot of people's chronic ill-health.

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I have a Kardia ECG, and a fingertip (recording) oxygen monitor. I get postural hypotension, and know that my bp is low - I have a cardio appointment booked, and they might turn up my pace-maker a bit. (My late wife wanted a remote control for my pace maker.)

Before I had a pacemaker, my SPO2 (blood oxygen) was getting down to 75 at night, and I was waking up unable to move anything except my eyelids!

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I'm sorry to learn of your loss.

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I did notice he had lost a lot. Well good on him, and I think this has been bubbling up in the public consciousness for awhile. Lets see what they can do with it.

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I doubt it will happen overnight. There's too much money and inertia tied up in the status quo. That said, it is reassuring to see such a high-profile person raising concerns, especially when they walk the walk.

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This is an NHS forum… ¿Can we say they need to change their guidelines?

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We are open minded here S11M and we support people using all sorts of weigh loss programmes. I think the NHS would just be happy that we are all trying to save them money by losing weight, however we do it :)

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If there is evidence to prove that guidance can be improved to benefit the health of the nation?

We do have such evidence, such as from the ICS Healthier You- NHS Diabetes Prevention Programme, it's just that currently people with type2/prediabetes are being regarded as an unfortunate breed apart. We need more joined-up thinking to realise where the massive increase in diabetes over the last twenty years has come from; insulin resistance is rife in the general public, we just don't measure it effectively.

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I have not increased my consumption of fat - but then... I never reduced it ... I did not take the "low-fat advice", and I have never bought low fat food, or margarine etc.

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Very interesting Concerned. Thanks for sharing.

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Thanks for the link Concerned, all steps forward have to be positive, but the stance of the BNF on the 10% intake from fat is very disappointing. It appears they are still being very blinkered to all the research that has disproved the 'fat makes you fat' myth and are still sticking to he unfounded advice rolled out in the early 80's and appear to be oddly happy that we're doing the same as the US, the country with the highest rate of obesity in the world!! I shall keep watching and listening, with interest.

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Yes, I thought that was odd, and I would guess all the countries named following that advice have similar crises to ours

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Exactly!!

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When you recognise the financial ties they have to each other, and that we to all intents and purposes follow their lead, it puts the word 'remarkable' in a different context.

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Tate and Lyle sponsoring the Conservative Party Conference is just one example . . .

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Is that like the NFA sponsoring bush in America???

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Thanks Concerned .

It sounds like Tom Watson could be a real champion in pushing for a change in advice. There's bound to be confusion and conflict when long held approaches are being questioned, and GPs and other generalists have so many things to keep up to date with, but it's depressing when people referred to specialist weight loss and diabetes services are given outdated advice.

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I couldn't agree more.

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I think I might write to my MP with this link, and another from the Telegraph today.

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Done

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Some endo specialist are really stepping up to speed on the high fat. low carb. diet. Mine is very strick within his office, gives guidence. We are Keto myself higher carb. because of very low weight. Husband lost 70lbs. He is not diabetic I'm Type1. Thank you for addressing this topic as it needs to be brought to the for front and is the wave of the future for lasting health. I forget who mentioned the Brain Fog that is fact, so much more clear and foggy days. The lights are on in such a positive attitude. Once again thank you Concerned for the topic.

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Hello Cherv,

I think you may have slipped under our radar, I see you have been on the forum a few times and belong to some others. I am not sure if you are looking for weight loss advice or are just looking at Healthy Eating, I see that you say you have very low weight.

If you would like me to send you our newbie pack with all our information about the forum please let me know :)

You are of course welcome to just drop in and out as you please and to join in with conversations as you want :)

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I like to vist for the great information Concerned you are very informative I've folowed you a long time myself. Much of the information here I pass on to my husband. Business keeps him to busy to be involved in sites. Thank you I'm always concerned on abot eating but as I mentioned we eat KETO. My Neuro. and Endo. both recommend these as the best diet plans.

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Thank you for replying cherv. Concerned shares some great information with us doesn't he :)

I am sure your husband appreciates all your efforts to keep him healthy :)

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Really interesting, thanks for sharing...

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Excellent link Concerned, thank you for sharing 😊. Very intersting and heartening to hear someone as high profile as Tom Watson speaking out.

Thank you

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Hmm, firstly to quote whoever that last male was to speak in that clip and I dont think it was Tom Watson, "sensitive, intelligent Government". There's no such thing. I don't understand either why Tom Watson should be shocked at Coca-Cola selling drinks that contain well over the recommended daily sugar intake recommendations. He's an experienced politician very well aware of the lobbying that goes on in relation to the food industry and where political party donations come from and more importantly why donations are given.

Great that he's lost so much weight, great that he's speaking out but my own fear is that one this Brexit stuff is finally decided the standards within the food industry only stand to get even worse. You only have to think of Cadburys chocolate, it's sugar filled junk now that tastes nothing like chocolate but then Cadburys is no longer a British owned company. Sorry to get political but I just think the best people to educate us and set healthy eating guidelines are genuine unbiased nutritionists and not Public Health advisers who could quite possibly be influenced and not have anyones best interests at heart save those who fund their existence.

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I think he was shocked at the acknowledgement by the lady from the BNF, of the harmful sugar in Coca-Cola because they are one of the sponsors of the BNF. In doing so, he's acknowledging the potential conflict of interest you're raising.

The only thing is, dietitians are not impartial. They are duty-bound to support the Eatwell Guide.

Our Local Authority workers are funded by Public Health England who produce the current guidelines along with the Food Standards Agency (again). Then you have Education establishments that are tied into this, for the wellbeing of our children.

About 51minutes into this presentation, Zoe Harcombe highlights the BDA who train dietitians, are 'delighted' to have partnerships with the sugar industry, the flour industry, Danone, and Abbott who process soy.

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Oops I did reply to you but forgot to click on reply first.

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Ah, I didn't quite catch what he said properly. Yes it is very difficult to find any public body that isn't 'bought and therefore wholly owned'.

I remember reading a very long article last year by an American specialist, I can't remember if he may have been a cardio vascular surgeon who said he had long ago come to the conclusion that it was sugar and not fat that leads to heart disease. Unfortunately I've never been able to find it since. It was very indepth and evidence based.

The problem, at least for me and I'm sure many other people is re-educating our palate, it's difficult to look at an apple with quite the same anticipation as say a chocolate bar let alone learning how to choose good quality whole foods and natural unprocessed foods as well as what to do with them once we've bought them. I would say it would take at least a generation, probably more before enough people changed their eating habits to make a real difference to our health as a nation but it's something we at least need to make a start on and with some urgency.

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You're right that we need to change some things. This acceptance of cake and biscuits as if 'yes, it's naughty, but nice' for one. The truth is if we aren't insulin resistant our body can tolerate a little cake; sponge is low Gi, but eating it every week is replacing food with goodness-bereft junk. Not appreciating the high amount of sugar starch is turned to in the body, and snacking, is driving an epidemic of insulin resistance that underpins many chronic ill-health conditions.

For a chocolate substitute try some refrigerated creamed coconut; still high in calories, but minimally processed with no added sugar. At room temperature in this weather it has a thick, creamy texture (like ice cream, without the cold?). Or cheese is a great dessert.

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