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HM training week6 day3

FlickM3
FlickM3Half Marathon

Graphs for those who like them. And, phew, I’m back at productive training load instead of overreaching! Lesson well and truly learned. Today’s run was 65 minutes, all in zones 1&2. I think I’m getting better at controlling the zones as I only had to stop a few times and only for seconds to get my hr back down. 6.04km and 10.14min/km, so speeding up a bit in the lower zones too. That’s what it’s all about.

My new On Cloudswift shoes are going to have to go back. They are giving me hip and knee pain. They are usually brilliant at fitting there, but it was a young chap I’ve never seen before, and he didn’t seem to know what he was doing. I kept having to ask him to check the shoes to see how they fit. Sadie-runs I don’t think they would do for you as the lacing doesn’t finish high enough up the foot, and there are no extra holes for heel lock lacing.

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roseabi
roseabiAdministrator

Those graphs are so pretty!!!

FlickM3
FlickM3Half Marathon in reply to roseabi

Aren't they just! and the display on the Polar Vantage V is lovely too. Easy for my poor old eyes to read on the go x

Tbae
TbaeMetric Marathon

Now there is a Master at work.👏👏

Go you Flick.❤️

Sorry about the shoes but decisive and knowledgable you.⭐️

Cannot risk injury Flick for anything.Nothing more precious than the runner.🤔💥

Keep bringing it Flick.❤️

👊💥🏃‍♀️⭐️👏👏

FlickM3
FlickM3Half Marathon in reply to Tbae

Thank you, you are lovely. And you must be a Leo if you’ve just had a birthday. Happy recent birthday x

Tbae
TbaeMetric Marathon in reply to FlickM3

Yes Flick, let the lion roar.🤔

More like a pussy cat mew.🙈🤣🤣

Thank you ❤️

👊💥🏃‍♀️⭐️👏👏

FlickM3
FlickM3Half Marathon in reply to Tbae

Leo is my rising sign 🦁

Sadie-runs
Sadie-runsHalf Marathon

Great training run, well done FlickM3! It must be so interesting to see your progress via the heart rate! Sorry to hear about the shoes though, and thanks for the heads up. I will stick to my beloved Flyers. I do think it is so crucial who you get in a running shop. I bought my first pair of running shoes from an Asics store, and the young lad who served me clearly knew NOTHING about running or running shoes, as I asked him which ones were best for a neutral gait and he had no idea, and kept referring me to trail shoes when I had asked for road shoes! Gah.

Best of luck with finding your next pair of new loves.

Sadie xxx

FlickM3
FlickM3Half Marathon in reply to Sadie-runs

Thank you dearest Sadie. I had a pair of Cloudsurfers which I gave to Mr IDS because they seemed too roomy. I’ve got them back (he only wore them twice because people commented on the bright orange colour). I’m going to trial them again, maybe with my double skin socks. As my Cloudflyers became tight after 15k, they may be just the ticket for huge long runs. Fingers crossed. They are very speedy and responsive! Xxx

FlickM3
FlickM3Half Marathon in reply to Sadie-runs

Ps: this is the first time I’ve had an issue with Up & Running, they are usually amazing.

I'm amazed you have got on top of the Polar technology almost as fast as on top of the long running....

👏❤👣👣👣👣

FlickM3
FlickM3Half Marathon in reply to theoldfellow

I love technology. I’m a total geek. But I’m still working out what it all means. I really want to find out more about running power, which is measured in watts. I’m hoping Polar will soon do training plans based on it, since the watch does it from the wrist, without extra gadgets.

theoldfellow
theoldfellow in reply to FlickM3

I was Group Technical Director of a multinational IT company before I retired (this explains 50 years of Glute-compression). So I know about the geekyness!!!

I also follow cycling, and they are always talking about how 'many watts for how long'. I had never thought to apply it to running, but you (and Polar) are right.

Loving your posts. Every blessing as always.

FlickM3
FlickM3Half Marathon in reply to theoldfellow

Wow, what a brilliant job!

Yes, cycling uses it but I think it’s fairly new in running. My watch measures it- you can see it in the orange and yellow graph. I’m still trying to work out the criteria for it, but it isn’t standardised. I know it’s more reliable than hr because hr comes down too slowly and is affected by other factors. Blessings to you too. And thank you 😊

theoldfellow
theoldfellow in reply to FlickM3

That is very interesting. Especially the part about using it to replace hr as a measure of effort. In cycling it's measured by the tiny bend of the pedal crank (I think), so directly relates to the strength of the leg - basically the muscles involved in push down. In our case we have several muscles groups and several phases of each step. I too have problems staying in the zones, the time for hr to fall back is too long for short intervals. More thinking required, but this is fun!

FlickM3
FlickM3Half Marathon in reply to theoldfellow

It is indeed fun. As for the zones, I have a 35 minute run tomorrow that includes two lots of 5 minutes in zones 4/5 interspersed. With 2 minute phases in zone 3, then a warm down in zones 1/2 - which will be hard after the previous elevated zones.

That long in zone 2 is hugely impressive! And how well you understand your data. I need to figure mine out lol xx

FlickM3
FlickM3Half Marathon in reply to Clairecandothis

This Sunday's run will be 1hr 25min in zones 1&2 - yikes! I don't understand all the data, but the hr zones i do. i want to find out more about the other graphs. What's foxing me is the way Polar measures cadence. Different to Garmin. xx

Aldlib
AldlibHalf Marathon

Sounds like you are beginning to see results! I did a 6 mile tempo run last night and it’s the first time I have ever managed to do any kind of pace without going into zone 5, am having a heart attack range. I was thinking about you and your perseverance during it and am beginning to see how this works in terms of fitness. Still don’t understand it fully, because psychologically it doesn’t make sense that I can run better by running slower, but that seems to be how it is working. Love following your progress, it is encouraging me daily xx

FlickM3
FlickM3Half Marathon in reply to Aldlib

Yes, the results are creeping up on me LOL! I put my HR zones higher and still have to control the lower zones. All last year and the year before, I was running in zone 5 for most of my runs, which was ridiculous because i wasn't knocking myself out and could hold a conversation for most of it. It was set to the ridiculous 220 minus age that Garmin and Polar use. I took advice and set max HR to the highest I hit on my runs, and that works better and still means I'm running very slowly in zones 1&2.

I'm so glad you find the posts useful. It's why i post, in the hopes people will find it interesting, especially as not that many seem to be using hr zones xx

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