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Hi I've been on steroids and other lupus medication for 3 years now but no change in my active lupus and when doctor try to reduce steroids I end up with bad flare ups and in hospital. They now want to try me on this new medication 'Rituximab' infusion treatment. I was just wondering if anyone else has had this treatment? If it has worked for them? And possible side effects? And just general how did u feel after?

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Myncare

Good morning, This medication is recent development and yet to document the long term side effects. The impact of this medication can last upto one year or more and may need furrher treatment at later stage. Very rare cases these Monoclonal antibodies can cause anaphylactic reaction, but doctors are prepared to deal this. It worked for an year, for it had positive impact on my side.

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Melba1

Hi, I was in a similar position to you with steroid reducing causing big flares (and I’d had bad reactions to the immunosuppressants) so had 2 x rituximab infusions about 8 weeks ago. They are very careful with you on your first infusion as a few people will have an allergic reaction but they’re well prepared for that. Most people tolerate well and my rheumy department (which is excellent) say that it seems to have great improvements.

I react badly to most drugs but didn’t have an allergic reaction and it’s certainly worked in many respects (pain all gone, brain better, none of my normal lupus signs of rash, ulcers, fevers etc), my appetite returned and my hair stopped falling out. However for me I get an autonomic nervous system reaction to drugs so I got an increased heart rate and autonomic dysfunction from it but that’s wearing off and I do think that’s just me!

I’m reducing steroids more quickly and successfully than previously so I’d say overall it’s positive and I’ll have it again.

Hope that helps and you get some improvement x

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Bellaflowe

It works brilliantly for my neuro lupus and it also reduces pain and fatigue. The only thing I would say about it is that it's hard to get and hard to stay on. It is not on the NHS and it's still an off label use for lupus, so your rheumy will have to apply for a special permission. I have been on it for 3 years with infusions every 6 months, however, in the last year they have delayed it repeatedly and when I was supposed get it at the start of Dec, the new clinical director of my rheumatology department stopped it. I had to apply for it through neurology instead. It is now 4 months overdue and I feel awful without it. All of it symptoms are back and I've been having a major flare for 3 months. The NHS wouldn't stop you taking methotrexate or mycophenalate, for example, but apparently they will stop the only treatment that has proven to work for you after 4 long years of having neuro lupus and being out of work and practically housebound. And now my neurologist is worried about the long term effects of it, which could mean that I am taken off of it for good. I Don't mean to scare you off of taking it. Just be wary that you could be taken off of it, regardless of it working well for you or not.

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cathie in reply to Bellaflowe

It’s on nhs Scotland so I imagine it’s available in England/wales

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Bellaflowe in reply to cathie

Rituximab is not on the NHS in Scotland, nor in England or Wales. Your specialist has to apply for special funding and permission. Each single dose of Rituximab costs around £2000 and it is an off label treatment for lupus, so it wouldn't ordinarily be prescribed on the NHS. It is only in exceptional circumstances when other meds haven't worked for you, such as methotrexate, mycophenalate, azathioprine etc. So, you get the rituximab in an NHS hospital with NHS staff, but it's not on the NHS.

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Deegraham in reply to Bellaflowe

I understood from my son's consultant here in Scotland that there is now a much cheaper ( no less effective) version available now. Very thankful!

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Bellaflowe in reply to Deegraham

Yes, there is. I spoke to my neurologist a couple of weeks ago and my next infusion will be a drug very similar to rituximab which works in the same way. It’s easier to prescribe to patients and due to the poor results of a new rituximab study on lupus patients which came out earlier this year, I know that my hospital is no longer prescribing rituximab for lupus patients. They have found a alternative, thankfully, although I cannot remember the name of it! As you have mentioned that is it also cheaper, I am also sure that the cost of rituxumab is also a reason for it no longer being prescribed. The NHS is in crisis and they are cutting costs anyway they can. Whether or not this new alternative will still help me, and others, as rituximab has will remain to be seen. I am concerned about the side effects of it, as rituxumab gave me very limited side effects and I’m hoping this new drug will be the same. I have read some stories of it causing bad skin reactions in lupus patients, but we have to take the good with the bad and if it helps my neurological symptoms, then so be it. Anything but having to take methotrexate again! I hope your son does well with the new treatment and his health improves. Take care. X

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AgedCrone in reply to Bellaflowe

Do you mean RTX s not available on the NHS just for Lupus?

I have RA & got funding for RTX on NHS England in 2016. I have it in an NHS Chemotherapy unit administered by NHS trained Biologic Nurses ....My Consultant did have to apply for special funding, but it comes out of the overall NHS Budget.

You do have meet certain criteria inc DAS above 5.3& have failed on 3 Dmards, one of which has to be Mtx.

I have had RA for twenty years & I have gone from being in constant pain & having bad reactions to drugs, to having 6 monthly infusions, & not needing any other medication except the odd painkiller.

I certainly hope it is available now for Lupus.

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Bellaflowe in reply to AgedCrone

Hi there,

Sorry, I should have been more clear - My neurologist was only able to apply for me to have rituximab as my MRI scans showed a small amount of damage and scarring to my brain. That, along with proof that I have had rituximab for years with much success meant that I was approved for the drug through neurology. However, I do know that the rheumatology at my local hospital, which is the Western General hospital in Edinburgh, no longer approves RTX for use in treating lupus. It is still being approved for RA and other conditions through rheumatology, however.

I’m actually happy I’m being treated through neurology, as my neurologist is lovely and has been very active in studying lupus and the brain for years. That department is also considerably more efficient. They have now trained their nurses to administer RTX and I will now have my treatments scheduled in months in advance instead of not knowing when I will next have the treatment and it being delayed for months on end.

I’m very happy to hear of your experience with RTX! I’m so glad it is working excellently for you and allowing you to lead a much more fulfilled life. May it ever continue :)

Love and hugs,

Suzy x

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AgedCrone in reply to Bellaflowe

Hi Suzy, As long as we are getting the treatment we need it doesn't matter to me which specialty treats me!

I agree it is much more satisfactory being able to get your infusion dates fixed well ahead of time. I have been hoping I can move to 9 month intervals this time...I see my rheumatologist in March & am hoping he will sign that off then.

I'm sure there must be "reasons" why RTX isn't approved for Lupus,especially if it has been found effective.

Although last year I had a very worrying time when my Dermatologist thought I might have Drug Induced Lupus from RTX, so there are probably many avenues to consider.

Thankfully my purple, plague like all over rash, turned out to be a Post Viral Rash after having Flu! Great relief all round.

I do hope you continue to be successful on RTX, my ambition if not complete remission, is once a year infusions.

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LydiaG

Hi, I hadn't been able to stabilise over the past few years so started rituximab - one set of infusions in 2016 and another last year. The first time, I felt an improvement but unfortunately had a flare after 4 months. The second set was far more successful and was completely symptom free for 6 months and then started getting symptoms again but not to the same extent before that I can bear it. Although I am still on medications (immunosuppresants and steroids) have been able to reduce them dramatically which I couldn't do before. You need to be extra careful for many months after as your immune system really drops esp when in tandem with the other lupus meds so I was avoiding being in public places etc so not to catch any infections. Its been 8 months now since the last infusion and my rheumy and I are trying to see how long I am able to go without the next batch..

With the infusions, they go slowly at first and then increase the speed of the infusions throughout your day. Unfortunately for me, I got slight allergic reactions when they were speeding up the infusions (sudden sore throat, itching on one side) so they slowed it back down and I was fine. The doctors and nurses were very good and kept monitoring throughout the whole thing. It did mean I had to be there the whole day (7 hours!!!!!!) but felt that was safer anyway. I took many days off afterwards to rest as felt pretty tired.

Hope this helps and good luck!

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jeanette60

Hi. I've been on rituximab now for over 2years and it has changed my life. I'm on it for lupus/rheumatoid overlap and rarely have joint pain now- except for when my infusion is due. I used to be off work a lot and was probably on my way to being sacked. Havnt had to be off sick in last 2years and have had no side effects. Good luck with it. I hope all goes well for you.

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Rach459

Hi, i had a serious Lupus flare nearly 5 years ago and nearly died of complications, i was put on rituximab straight away and started to improve. I started back on rituximab 2 years ago and have it every 6 months, and upto now and fingers crossed i have been fine. I have had no side effects apart from feeling tired after it xx

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cathie

Yes I’ve been on it for nearly 3 years and I feel fine. I take it with leflunomide rather than methotrexate. It needs monitoring for side effects such as liver. It’s really helped me

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Charl1503

Thank you all so much treatment starts Tuesday for me so I'm very nervous but thank you all so much for your information really grateful

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Bellaflowe in reply to Charl1503

You'll be absolutely fine :) Just let the nurse know if you start feeling really warm or your skin becomes itchy as they will slow down the infusion rate. Make sure and take lots of magazines/a good book or your tablet with you as the treatment can last for 7-9 hours. I take a thin blanket with me so I can have a nap! Wishing you the best of luck - it will be okay. Hugs xxx

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Deegraham

My son has had his two initial ones around the time of diagnosis. He took his laptop and really amused the nurses by his bursts of laughing at whatever he was watching! He even takes his slippers and I made him a pack lunch 😉

He is only 18. And is looking forward to his next one in a month or so. The infusion nurses are fab. He has been symptom free since being in that and mycophenolate. You will be fine. Hope it knocks the symptoms on the head!

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JL1w

Hi is there a criteria to been prescribed this drug do you know ? as I would love to get off steroids and other lupus Meds ! Good luck

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Paul_HowardPartnerLUPUS UK

Hi Charl1503 ,

There are quite a few past posts about this treatment that you may be interested in reading if you'd like to hear people's experiences with it. You can find them here - healthunlocked.com/search/r...

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