Thanks to everyone who replied to my post . However got to say fear has kick started my diet rather well, plus I feel a trip to M&s coming on ,to buy the biggest pair of old lady knickers possible plus a masterpiece of construction ( a very large super bra). It won't be money wasted as afterwards if I don't like them I can give them to someone (maybe as a sack to carry potatoes in? ) Any other ideas for use afterwards greatly recieved !!! Sorry if I am lowering the tone of this Fab website , and thanks again for your supportive posts.