I developed PVCs/bigeminy & shortness of breath after my 2nd Pfizer shot. I was referred to a cardiologist and I'm now on a heart monitor for a week and will have a treadmill stress test in 3 weeks. Shortness of breath is gone, thankfully, and I feel good.
What is my doctor looking for on the monitor? Overall/average daily BPM? Highs and lows? I see on my Apple watch HeartWatch app that my BPM are typically in the 95% range for normal 60-100. But, I'll have one to four high and one or two low readings. What does that tell them? Just trying the read the tea leaves as to whether or not I'm in the benign category. My cardiologist seemed to think these PVCs will go away in time.
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Looks that way. When I saw my cardiologist, she said she has another patient who had the same symptoms as I have after his first Pfizer shot. I never had any kind of heart issue before I got the vaccine. In time, more doctors will report these side effects, but they are reluctant to do it unless they see it in multiple patients. My cardiologist is reporting it to the CDC.
I will NOT get the Pfizer booster when it's available, based on my cardiologist's recommendation. I just hope what I have now goes away in time.
Oh god dont say that ! 😩 Iam having my second jab on Tuesday .. had a few missed beats with first, but as we have spoke before Jeff we take the magnesium which has helped so much ... only trouble is Iam finding , I think they might be upsetting my tummy 😬 Sue
Sue, the ectopic beats only returned for one hour, since then I have been completely free of them. So do not worry yourself. I'm glad the Magnesium is helping so much but sorry that it may be giving you a stomach upset: I take two 200mg tablets of Magnesium Citrate a day with no stomach problems, if you're taking Magnesium Citrate maybe switch to Magnesium Taurate as Jomico recommends here.
Hi Jeff I am taking magnesium taurate , I starting taking citrate first but they didn’t seem to work for me .. it’s might not be the magnesium, Iam falling to bits 😂
For the record, I have been using a salt alternative which consists of 50% potassium chloride/sodium chloride so may be getting enough potassium due to that.
I would like to reassure you on the bigeminy...i had an episode of trigeminy about 18 months ago....which lasted three days...the quickest cure is to eat bananas or anything with high potassium.....then get some magnesium any form will do...but magnesium taurate is especially good for the heart...as this is where taurate is found in the highest levels......you just need to replace electrolytes....these heart rhythms are due to low levels of potassium and or magnesium and can occur through dehydration....water tablets.....profuse sweating/fevers...diarrhea.Things often settle within 72hours.....The doctor will only be observing for abnormal against normal fluctuations and changes...try not to fret unecessarily...best wishes.
There is growing consensus of opinion that the Mitichondria in the heart muscle loses magnesium ions after "the shot" and then then ATP which produces energy falls low.....so taking magnesium will correct rhythm and energy quite quickly.....as will the signalling molecule D-Ribose which improves/stabilises normal heart rhythm.
Thanks very much for your reassuring words! You are the first person in my various searches to identify why the vaccine may be causing this heart issue. Makes perfect sense. I think docs are reluctant to admit any side effects beyond the clinical trial results for fear they will dissuade people from getting the shot and alienate big pharma.
I am now familiar (due to this forum) with Dr. Gupta and Dr Dean. (Thank goodness for this community of people sharing their experiences & wisdom) I wonder if either doctor has weighed in on this vaccine reaction issue. I was relieved to hear my cardiologist say she had another patient with the same symptoms!
I'm ordering the magnesium taurate today. From recent blood tests, my potassium level is normal. I've been so worried about this bigeminy, the thought of possibly needing to take medication for it and what it means long term for my health. I'm a worrier, which doesn't help. If I can solve this with magnesium, I'd be thrilled. I'll start with 200mg, which I hope is enough to see some difference. I know Dr. Gupta recommends 300-400mg. Think 200mg is enough in your experience? Thank you, again!!
Blood tests can't measure potassium levels at cellular or tissue level...even with normal potassium blood levels...if you are low in magnesium (again only 1% in blood serum is normal) your body can't get the potassium into cell or muscle tissue because that job is carried out by the ATP pump in each cell (mitochondria)...which requires magnesium...... low mag=low potassium...in cells...commonly misinterpreted by Doctors.This is why some become long haulers...it can take up to two years with normal diets to restore magnesium levels...which about how it takes to recover from M.E. and most drug/alcohol withdrawals.Fix your magnesium levels then the body restores potassium and sodium exchange via ATP...you will feel more energy after the first week...
Women need 350mg a day...the worst that can happen if you take more than this is you will sleep better/longer...relax more...restore many bodily functions....including heart rhythms... I take up to 1200mg...if I have a heavy workout...all my ectopics have stopped after 35 years of being told by doctors they are quite normal so learn to live with them!If only they knew how easy it is to fix!
Thanks VERY much--all very helpful and greatly appreciated. Magnesium is already ordered from Swanson and I'm hopeful I can get this resolved. Your reassurance and background info has put my mind at ease.
I was in the ER with a long attack of frequent PVCs in December. They took blood and tested thyroid etc as well as electrolytes. All mine were well in normal range.
Blood levels will not reflect cellular levels....you can have "normal" electrolytes show in blood tests yet still have low electrolytes in tissue and cell....often caused by low magnesium..... wrote a long winded version which i can send to you via message if you wish.
I have a history of palpitations and ectopics but after my second vaccine in April they have become horrendous. I had a holter monitor which recorded just over 10,000 in 24 hours. All test and heart structure fine but I don’t seem to get any relief from them at all. I’m drinking coconut water…. Eating bananas! No alcohol, taking magnesium taurate and nothing is relieving them. I go into bigeminy a lot. In and out sometimes lasting a few hours and it terrifies me. It’s also uncomfortable. I worry so much. I’m always waiting for something to happen to me. I just wish they would settle.
If you are not getting relief from magnesium taurate...then try making a cup of warm water and put any magnesium supplement into it...mix well...this is called magnesium oil...the idea is to apply this over the torso area where your heart muscle is....you can also apply to the upper arms..Magnesium is well absorbed through skin...and will quickly enter the skin cells which then transfer into the deeper tissues.
Here is a little test that will confirm the excitability of the electrical pathway to the heart rhythm...tap the area you feel the the strongest pulse on the chest and notice there is an immediate change in rhythm...this is the transference of energy along nerve fibres.Magnesium oil uses the same pathway.The electrical problem is really an electrolyte problem...calcium ions and mansium ions have a specific ratio in heart muscle tissue.....sometimes a rogue calcium ion will jump into a magnesium receptor...this makes that tissue more likely to contract prematurely....it is impossible to monitor each and every cell..which is why some people get prescribed calcium channel blockers....when all they ever needed to do is increase magnesium uptake...to regain the correct ratio....i believe...illness and certain vaccines will throw electrolytes right out of balance.
You may also find taking D-ribose..(powder form comes with a scoop)
This will improve the signalling in the electrical pathway.Please peservere with this as the symptoms may continue to come and go for a week or two whilst things restabilise.
Now you may have an issue absorbing certain magnesium types....if you have poor digestion...are on ppi's then you will not get much relief from one tablet...this is why you shoukd make another cup of magnesium water and sip throughout the day.You need to increase your potassium intake too...reduce your calcium intake....
Try using magnesium glycinate....or threonate...your body type may respond better to these....finally if you still not getting relief...look into the picolate formulaes from Dr Carolyn Dean particulary Remag.....this is costly but will put into your cells a higher level of magnesium than my suggested methods.
You didnt say if you are on statins....if you are then you should be also supplementing with coQ10 because this is made through cholesterol synthethsis in the liver...people on statins end up seriously deficient on coQ10.... also research Dr.Barrie tan regarding tocotrienols (superior form of vitamin E)and geranylgeraniol...these are the building blocks to cellular....arterial repair and heart health.
I really do hope you find some relief from this soon....just to recap.
Apply magnesium to your skin over the chest area...
Change the type of magnesium you use...if you are on ppis take the internal magnesium at the opposite end of the day.
If you are on statins up your CoQ 10....add D-ribose.
Increase potassium related foods.
You can take up to 1000 mg magnesium for the first week to see if this improves things...you may find you sleep more....then reduce back to 500 mg per day and see if things remain stable...
Try not to fret over these horrible symptoms....try to gently walk each day for 30-40 minutes... your feet are your second heart and this helps restore natural rhythm too....bear in mind that often being too acidic through high carbs... caffeine...sugar related products will further irritate an over stressed body...
This is mainly fixable...but because everyone is slightly different not all remedies work equally.You know you have to address this somehow...and you will...just keep focusssed and keep reassuring yourself things will improve.
With regards to the vaccine...i can only make suggestions...people have reported relief from using adaptogens...suramin...(pine needle tea) is an antiviral ...there are many plant based antivirals...which big pharma hate because it means they cant make money out of peoples misery.....i use quercetin...lysine....and olive leaf extract for the same reason...i went through five long years with ME and thought my palpitations /exhaustion would never stop...back then it was rest and walking along with high vitamin intake that retored my health....i wish you every success.
Just a little thought....both PPI and HRT deplete magnesium and B12.The problem with reducing stomach acid is food never gets broken down fully so nutrients dont get fully absorbed....which is why you supplement.Do you have reflux?Do you have constipation...gas and bloating...all signs you need to change what you eat and how you eat it...i can PM a startup protocol which will help as the reflux will also irritate the vagus nerve which can sometimes interfere with normality of heart rhythms.
Oh yes please that would be fabulous. Thank you that’s so kind.I have acid reflux so have taken Lansoprazole for about 10 years!!! If I miss it the acid is dreadful . But I have reduced the dose from 30mg daily to 15 mg.
Very occasional bloating , no gas really. I dont eat meat but do have fish.
HRT is transdermal gel and oral progesterone. I only started last November.
Thank you for helping me! Just counted them and in this last minute I’ve had 21 PVC’s!!
Thought I'd give an update on my heart monitor results and treadmill stress test. Heart monitor showed one PVC during the week of monitoring, and during my treadmill today, there was one. So, they are benign I'm told. Doc suggested metopropol if I needed it, but I'd prefer not to take it. Tonight, all of a sudden, I'm feeling PVCs again after feeling nothing for weeks! Maybe the stress from the treadmill test? Cardiologist also said they've gotten many more calls of heart palpitations after the vaccine shot. For me, the bigeminy seems to be resolved, at least in the last month. Hope it stays that way! I will keep taking the magnesium taurate and hope this is behind me! Once again, thanks to all of you who gave me reassuring advice and peace of mind. I learn so much from this forum.
My nieces best friend aged 24 had the vaccine because she works in a doctors surgery . She developed an irregular heart rhythm and fainted . The doctors in a&e told her the vaccine had caused her electrolytes to drop and she is fine now . Apparently this is a known problem with vaccines and maybe the people who have posted above were spot on pointing the finger at electrolytes being the problem with arrhythmia after the jab . She is going ahead with her second shot
That's what I'm hearing from the cardiologist--palpitations and irregular heart rhythm reports from patients post vaccine-- but she has not told me WHY. No mention of electrolytes. (Jomico's explanation makes total sense.) Cardiologist just wanted to see if there were any underlying heart issues causing the bigeminy, and once she ruled that out, she had no explanations for me or prognosis. Told me to come back in a year to see how I'm doing. Sounds like your niece's best friend had a temporary event and now she's OK. I'm at 7 weeks post 2nd vaccine shot and I'm still getting PVCs. Maybe it's an age issue? I'm decades older. I just hope they go away totally.
Am guessing the doctors who treated my nieces friend had seen it before it’s a top teaching hospital in the middle of a big city and they have the numbers going through to make an association . Don’t give up hope that yours will disappear I had all kinds of arrythmia for months after stopping bisoprolol and they gradually diminished . Do all the right things taking magnesium, eat for your electrolytes try and stay calm and as far as possible take your attention off them as much as you can and hopefully they will settle down
I had a similar experience after a stress test.....three days of ectopics after....this was long ago before i heard about magnesium....btw...excess exercise...bouts of fevers...illness will deplete magnesium....be reassured you will be getting the odd issue because you have not actually built up enough cellular magnesium...this can take up to two years especially if you have a lot of calcium laid down in the tissues...things will improve all the time so try not to let the odd blip trick you into thinking this is returning.I am a strong believer in learned response...and its effects on the mechanics of brain/physicality....thats is why i use two different magnesiums....some days i use taurate...some days i use threonate....which is more for mitichondria..especially grey matter...this encourages quicker change adaption.
Hi, Jomico... Thank you for this explanation! I'm very relieved these PVCs are benign, but I was hoping they'd be totally gone by now--7 weeks later. I'm beginning to see that I need more patience to let the magnesium do it's job. I didn't have a chance to ask my doctor questions...I need a much-delayed cataract surgery and I'm concerned about whether or not I can do it now. Do these ectopics create a problem, I wonder...I will take your wise advice and not let the odd blip throw me for a loop. Thank you for the encouragement.
The real problem is not the ectopics...its the balance between calcium and magnesium.Some of us seem to have very sensitive receptors to both which trigger off at times of stress or hormonal changes.The body has to get magnesium out of bone when it is highly stressed or ill....which is why it takes several days to feel better in most people who never supplement.The best you can do is work out the triggers and top up the minerals...for some its low calcium (thyroid) others low magnesium...others it progesterone (monthlies) for me its stress....Dr Carolyn Dean explains it took her 18 months of high dosing....and even now she has a blip or two....and just tweaks her levels....that sounds rude lol.
There is an interesting guy called Patrick Theult who talks about surface chemistry issues...its a bit deep but worth a look...not intended to put the fear of God in but to show you how bad it can get yet still turn things back round using vitamins and minerals in anyone who has any health issues...
It was this that showed me the link between calcium and ectopics...if you do decide to use any of his suggestions expect some transitions....the body takes years to get into these situations and months to reverse.
Sorry for another long winded answer...it often has that effect on me.
Jomico, thank you, once again, for the detailed explanation and good wishes. What I don't understand in my situation is this...The palpitations, shortness of breath and bigeminy episode most likely resulted from the vaccine shot, according to the cardiologist. All those symptoms have resolved, with the exception of a stray ectopic here and there. My expectation was that all the reactions to the vaccine would disappear by now. I don't expect you'd have all the answers for me (I appreciate all you've done already), but I'm wondering if you have an opinion on what you mentioned earlier--that the vaccine impacts the mitochondria. I wonder if it's possible that permanent "damage" was done. You're so knowledgeable and well read on this issue that I thought it was worth asking you to opine on what might be at play here. My cardiologist gave me no prognosis and suggested I use a beta blocker, if the ectopics bother me. I won't go down that path as I hardly notice them typically, but after that treadmill test, I was feeling them. They seem to be gone once again
My approach to this vaccine has always been mitochondrial damage...but this is yet to be scientifically proven and peer reviewed..This would get in the way of a worldwide vaccine program.Without being alarmist the salk institute just released their findings in a recent experiment whereby they removed the virus part of covid and injected the spike protein component alone into animal tissue...the mitichondria in that tissue became disrupted...heres the link...
What i do know is that damaged mitochondria in the cell is not replaced very easily.The science on autophagy( dead cells being eaten by bodies cleanup system) is poorly understood, this is why aging is irreversible yet possible to slow down.It is possible to use adaptogens to help repair some of the damage.
I have some ideas on how to improve things but do not want to leave open messages on the forum for obvious reasons.I will send you a message.
Jomico, thanks. I'll look for your message. I read the Salk findings, which to my understanding, are a study of cell damage resulting from isolating the actual spike protein from the virus itself. But, the mRNA vaccines tell your body to make a fake copy of the spike protein. I didn't see the researchers stating an equivalency between the Covid virus spike protein and the fake spike protein produced by the mRNA vaccines. I see how the virus and spike proteins cause vascular damage, but no correlation to what damage (if any) the fake spike protein created by the mRNA vaccines causes. Am I interpreting that correctly?
Yes i believe you are reading it as i do...my only concern is the effect virus or vaccine has on the mitochondria.No one is sure....and i believe that somethings are not being said because of it.
My mum who is 85 has had both and went through a couple of months feeling very worn out but is now picking up so i think any issues will be short term....🤞
If you find anything more on the vaccine/mitochondria impact, please let us know. I can only think researchers worldwide are busy tracking down these potential impacts from the vaccine. I don't mind being a guinea pig for the common good, but I hope if they find ways to refine the vaccine to eliminate whatever is causing the heart issues, they do so before the booster shot. Wishful thinking, I know.
Glad your mum is now doing well Bodes well for the rest of us. The vaccine is surely a precious gift.
I think you are on the right path out of the this maze now...hold fast to the belief you will get better...thats all we want...thankyou for replying with such kind words...best wishes.
Hi , I’ve been reading all your posts with interest , I hope your doing better now! I’ve had ectopic beats for 30 odd years and was terrified about having jab , I had Pfizer too but I wasn’t to bad , just a few missed beat with chills and headache but a week later !! Very odd but my GP said it was coming out in some people a week or so later.
I was told by top cardiologist years ago to take magnesium, but didn’t bother , my god I wish I had , might of saved my self a lot of stress over the years , as for the last 2/3 months I’ve been taking them , Iam actually going to bed calm , no missed beats as soon as I laid down to sleep 🙏🏻
As I said I’ve got my second jab Wednesday, not really looking forward to it 😬 but Iam hoping the magnesium will protect me 🤞🏼
I wish you well.. it’s so hard no to tune into the missed beats or the racing heart , but try the breathing exercises , they helped calm me down also and the heart.. by the way I’ve always been told mine are not dangerous also , still doesn’t stop you worrying ..
Thankyou Sue for your message...The magnesium will certainly help with things, and even if you get the odd blip, just ride it out like you did with the first jab...best wishes Mike.
The body will take what it needs and expel the rest...glycinate is very well absorbed and tolerated...see how it goes...it may tailor fit you....if not try taurate instead...because taurate is found mainly in the heart muscle...and this makes better sense.
Why do you think a cardiologist would use glycinate instead of taurate? Also he is suppose to take a small does of Metoprolol once a day. I know they are trying to make his heart rate more slower but what if your blood pressure is already good at 117/73
Glycinate is more readily absorbed by most people… he probably had good results with his patients… if it works then no harm done… if it doesn’t then switch to taurate… lastly you have not mentioned if he is on water tablets or has any other underlying conditions… this will alter what you retain or expel…each person responds differently to another which is why you need to keep an open approach to tailor the right things at the right dosages….you may find this lowers the blood pressure a bit more … I hope this makes sense and helps in some way.
No water tablets or any other medications.... So how much do you think Metoprolol will lower his blood presure at 12.5 mg. It is suppose to reduce his heart rate because of his a-fib I think caused by sleep apnea
To address sleep apnea… first port of call is to lose weight… because this impedes the natural movement of the diaphragm … breathing exercises… walk walk walk….
Yes you can lower the BP but again it’s the inflammatory state of his body that is causing the arteries to remain “tight” … if he eats a lot of meat .., steer him towards plant based foods and foods that increase nitric oxide … this relaxes the arteries.
Lastly switch away from omega six foods to omega three foods… cut out sugar and sweets…look into astaxanthin and flaxseed oil… olive leaf extract… l-arginine… l-citrulline… these things increase arterial health… because they reduce inflammation and increase nitric oxide..which “relax” arteries…which will naturally lower BP to normal levels…yes pharmaceutical drugs will do the same but increase side effects without ever healing the problem of inflammatory conditions thereby problem remains..also look into tocotrienols ..delta gold… dr Barrie tan…Best wishes.
You can research all of the things I mentioned .. some on pubmed… peer reviewed by doctors and scientists … before being published… always test or research any advice given on this forum.. read and learn.
i Do not have high blood pressure. I was worried that the Metoprolol would lower my blood pressure because I am 117/72.... The cardiologist is give the Metoprolol at 12.5 mg to make heart rate lower because of a-fib. Just was wondering if it will lower the blood pressure too much since it is really perfect. Also,,,What kind of breathing exercises are good for a-fib..
I have had two Pfizers and no worsening of my ectopics/PVCs. They are now minimal with 1.25 mg Bisoprolol. With the monitor, they will get a better picture of PVC occurrences BPM and blood pressure. The stress test is an indicator of how well you heart functions when heavily exercised. In my case the PVCs went away , BPM decreased quickly and blood pressure recovered well indicating no structural heart malfunction/ disease. Later confirmed by a MRI scan. I reckon that will be true for you too. Good luck.
My wife also developed arrythmia following her second Pfizer jab. She was admitted to hospital and underwent a cardioversion. This worked for a few weeks but the arrythmia has now returned. She is on blood thinners. Her specialist doesn't think any more radical treatment would be productive. He's not even convinced it was the jab that started it but we are convinced it was. There is plenty of research to back this up from the USA and Israel.This has been going on now for at least five months with no signs of improvement.
Good luck.
Just an update on mitochondrial dysfunctions… as a result on CV19 jabs..
It’s worth looking into mitophagy… which removes dead and faulty mitochondria damage by vaccines… by using foods that create high levels of urolothin A… I.e. pomengranate juice or extract … and fisetin from strawberry extract… for autophagy which will clear away misfolded proteins at the cellular level…combine this with astaxanthin which is the highest form of antioxidant … bioastin.. this will return you to normal energy or improved energy and improve heart function…
Look at AIME who produce a cardio combo of flaxseed olive and sesame oil to provide omega 3,6,9 .
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