Protein. A lot is made of the need for high protein and yet:
" a high protein diet is bad for you. Growth hormone pathways, including TOR and IGF-1, are controlled by proteins and they are accelerators of the aging process. So, if you have a low-protein diet you might live longer and healthier."
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comments?
But what if you have protein deficiency?
Are you 17? Then don't worry. You are still growing, and need protein.
I see a lot of the word “might” used in your link. A theory at best, but interesting enough to read further scientific evidence. ❤️🏄♀️
The answer has to be "balance".Too little protein is bad for us, but too much would not be healthy either.
As Isinatra says, this is someone's ideas, not evidence, and there is nothing to tell us where to look for the evidence.
I'm gonna quote that old saying once again! Everything in moderation does no one any harm
Hi Paul12,First, I read this is for people under 70 and considered generally healthy as the article stated. This would help to eliminate irrelevant discussions about special health conditions and needs. 👍
Second, if I’m not mistaken your post is focusing on the high protein diet because mTor pathway opens up many discussions involving physiology. 😅
To me, it makes sense when we have a variety of food sources as part of our meals then they are called balanced meals of proteins, carbs, fibers, vitamins, minerals…😊
People with high protein diet in long terms can experience these based on Mayoclinic:
mayoclinic.org/healthy-life...
* Some high-protein diets restrict carbohydrate intake so much that they can result in nutritional deficiencies or insufficient fiber, which can cause problems such as bad breath, headache and constipation.
* Some high-protein diets include foods such as red meat and full-fat dairy products, which may increase your risk of heart disease.
* A high-protein diet may worsen kidney function in people with kidney disease because your body may have trouble eliminating all the waste products of protein metabolism.
In my opinion, it is the source of protein that is important. I choose mainly plant based source of protein for my diet and a high plant based protein source will definitely not going to age me fast or deteriorate my health. 🙃
I don't know where you get your information, but current research shows that red meat and dairy are not the cause of heart disease, but high carb diets are.
If you read my reply again you will see the link to my information, just click on it 👍
Basic term: cause vs. risk
A LOT of diseases can’t be proven for the causes but high risk factors? Absolutely!
Never high in carbs for me if you take a look at my food posts 😁👍
Poster already stated that his purpose was about Huel products so I won’t discuss further on his post as my posting etiquette!
If you make a post how red meat and full-fat dairy products are not the risks for heart disease then we shall see members’ perspectives. 😊
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Hi Eryl , Thank you for the video.
I watched and he was saying all the previous scientific evidences were wrong and red meat is no different than other meat. Most scientists seem to still agree that red meat is worse so this video hasn’t made any concrete point.
Here’s what Harvard's T.H. Chan School of Public Health publishing about “A recent study suggested that eating red or processed meats won't necessarily harm your health. What is the truth?” They issued a statement that the new advice could potentially harm people's health:
"This new red meat and processed meat recommendation was based on flawed methodology and a misinterpretation of nutritional evidence," says Dr. Frank Hu, chair of the Department of Nutrition. "The authors used a method often applied to randomized clinical trials for drugs and devices, which is typically not feasible in nutritional studies."
"Poster already stated that his purpose was about Huel products so I won’t discuss further on his post as my posting etiquette!"
No. My query is about protein BECAUSE I was thinking about Huel products. It is not about Huel as such but ANY high protein product such as Goodness shakes etc etc because I read low protein is better
“The reason I posted was that I was thinking of buying Huel. At the time I was unaware Huel had a discussion forum. I see now they have and there has been a long long thread on protein...”
My understanding was based on your response to how this thread has been a veryyyy long one on protein as you wouldn’t be interested in but Huel products with their proteins content solely.
"you wouldn’t be interested in but Huel products with their proteins content solely." what does this mean?
Yes. Everything is backwards. The diet-heart hypothesis has never been proven, despite many studies. The onus should be on authorities to demonstrate that saturate fats are bad, not for those that challenge it to prove they healthy. We've been eating saturated fat since before we crawled onto land; it's the form our bodies choose to store excess energy. A logical assumption is that we evolved to thrive on it. The converse requires strong proof.
The reason I posted was that I was thinking of buying Huel. At the time I was unaware Huel had a discussion forum. I see now they have and there has been a long long thread on protein...
This looks interesting: healthline.com/nutrition/lo...
Hmm it depends on what’s your purpose of considering Huel products. 🤔 I just looked into them and they seem to be good replacement meals for weight loss in short term. In my opinion, we need varieties of food sources so our meals won’t be too boring and well balanced instead of relying on meal replacements.
I found this interesting article talking about pros and cons of Huel meal replacement products: healthline.com/nutrition/hu...
I’m glad you found their forum for further in depth discussions. 👍
It's best to ask the question you want an answer to, I find.
Huel doesn't look that high protein to me. 20g per 500ml bottle isn't that much. I aim for about 20-25g per meal, so that's right on target for me.
I personally am trying to stick to whole foods, so wouldn't touch it, but you do you.
I’m not overweight or trying to lose weight. I just thought I’d try them for breakfast as a post workout meal
I am very underweight and eat a lot of protein but not from red meat. This is quite worrying.
If protein is so bad for you, how do you account for the face that some people thrive on a pure carnivore diet?
Protein needs are not well understood. I did research about this a year ago. It seems clear that not enough protein will lead to problems; illnesses, sarcopenia etc. But what is not clear is what "enough" is. I don't understand why, but it seems no one has been able to design a study that can tell us what enough is. After reading a lot, I decided for myself to aim for 60g/day minimum, and not fuss too much if I went under or over on a day to day basis, as our body is good at moving protein about, and we keep amino acid pools in every cell. I do fast occasionally, but autophagy should release amino acids from the recycled proteins.
As for growth, that's interesting. We need growth as babies, children and teenagers; also when we are trying to build muscle or maintain it as we age. Outside those times, growth can be harmful. Cancer is just out of control growth, so inhibiting unwanted growth is likely to inhibit cancer.
With all essentials, the object is to get what we need, but not too much more. Oxygen is essential for life, but we want to keep it as low as possible beyond the essential, because damages our cells (hence antioxidants). Ditto for blood glucose: take it below a certain level, and we will lapse into a coma and die; but at the same time it damages are tissues by glycation (the malliard reaction that browns bread also happens more slowly inside our body in the presence of glucose). I think protein is probably the same, but the amount we actually need is unclear, and varies over our lives.
I always thought that being healthy was about eating a balanced diet. And that a little of what you fancy does you good!
You're absolutely spot on and I always quote this old adage, anything in moderation will do you no harm!
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