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“It is a scientifically established fact that when your body pH levels become too acidic (a condition known as acidosis), you are much more prone to various diseases.”

This came from a certain article from Living Traditionally.

Here is the full article,

anyavien.com/wheatgrass-is-...

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I've been a bit skeptical about the alkaline diet, since this story surfaced a few years ago: bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-386...

If you find the diet useful, then please let us know, but I'd have to ask you don't follow it as an alternative to treatment, and instead use it as a complimentary treatment.

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Matt2584 in reply to Cooper27

"perhaps because giant pharmaceutical organisations wouldn't be able to make money out of doctors prescribing vegetables"

I understand the skepticism and I have seen some footage of this doctor before.

When I was little my diet was virtually based on acidic foods although I and my parents didn’t know about this back then.

Food was just food, processed, man-made food or grown straight from the ground.

I’ve gone through years of health problems then slowly turned my diet around and is now, I like to think a more alkaline diet and I haven’t had massive health problems like I did.

So I praise the PH diet, not all the way but most of the way, yes.

If I was suddenly diagnosed with cancer I would be consuming a lot of fruit and veg.

And if I felt this was not working then I guess I would have to resort to a doctor... if I wasn’t dead by then :).

But the thing is, if I did resort to a doctor, I would most probably be given chemotherapy or something which would eventually kill me. I had friends who had chemo and have now passed away likely because of it.

In a nutshell, chemo buys you more time to live.

It doesn’t get rid of all the cancer, it just slows it down and then it comes back later in life twice as mad.

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Cooper27Administrator in reply to Matt2584

Chemo doesn't sound too nice, although I think they say it has a greater success rate if you try chemo alongside complimentary therapies (like meditation and diet), than just chemo alone.

Fingers crossed neither of us ever have to face the choice!

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Matt2584 in reply to Cooper27

It would be good if doctors told their patients about the diet and meditation combo.

I had radiotherapy in the past.

I have read that chemo fights off the cancer cells as well as healthy cells in your body or something along those lines whereas radiotherapy targets only the cancerous cells.

Whatever the weather, chemo and radiotherapy are both forms of radiation treatment which is no good for the body.

I’m hoping that in the future nothing else happens to me regarding my health.

I like to think that now that I have a much better diet than I did back then I won’t have to worry so much about radiotherapy causing a tumour regrowth or whatever.

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Cooper27Administrator in reply to Matt2584

I'm probably over-simplifying by a long shot, but I think chemo works a bit like antibiotics: kills off everything, good and bad, and then hope the good re-establishes itself better.

I'm quite excited by the advancements in immunotherapy, but sadly it's still very experimental.

Although I really hope to never be in the position to have to choose, I personally would opt for the western therapy complimented by some more holistic approaches. Both in tandem, as opposed to one over the other. It is a bit of a personal choice though, and I suppose just be influenced by the type of cancer.

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Matt2584 in reply to Cooper27

You could be over-simplifying but I like that. I think life in general should be simple.

I am a simple person and prefer simple things but so much in this world can be complicated.

That sounds about right when you say you think chemo works like antibiotics, hence killing off good and bad cells.

If my bro is ever ill for some reason and has to resort to a doctor and the doctor prescribes him with antibiotics, my bro will buy some probitotics like Actimel or Yakult and drink some of that after he takes the medication.

Years ago, I once had pharyngitis and the doc prescribed me with antibiotics.

The antib’s did help get rid of the pharyngitis but then brought on another illness. I had thrush on my tongue.

I think I am similar. I would rely on a healthy holistic approach to medication/treatment but if it ever came to the point where I had a serious disease then I may have to opt for the pharmaceutical industry.

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Zest

Hi Matt,

I am also sceptical about Alkaline Diets, and I just looked at the BBC article that Cooper27 mentioned, and noted this part "The main problem with this view is that it doesn't appear to take into account the stomach, which functions at a pH of about 1.5 and is the most acidic compartment in the body. Thus, everything we consume, regardless of its starting pH, becomes acidic before passing into the intestines."

What do you think of the article you posted - you put the title "Read it and Weep" - so I'm thinking that you are also sceptical?

Zest :-)

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Matt2584 in reply to Zest

I am somewhat skeptical but not completely skeptical.

The thing is people can read decent information on the internet and other websites will bash it. Why is this?

Humans are the most destructive force on the planet. Just look at how humans treat animals... that is why vegans exist.

And some people say veganism is a another fad/trend.

It’s not, it’s cos more and more people are waking up to the incredibly cruel system we live in called ‘life’.

If we didn’t need the pharmaceutical industry at all and we all relied on plants to cure us then life would run by so much more smoothly.

I don’t know for sure but I don’t think we need a pharmaceutical industry after certain information I have read and seen on the internet.

The internet holds a wealth of information but most people will use it for the most silliest of things.

I do think plants can cure us. Even down to the smaller things like the common cold, you can cure yourself with lemons or maybe honey.

I do not follow government or mainstream media at all cos that is where you get roped into a lot of lies.

So when I read articles that come from the BBC /Mainstream media then I usually take what they say with a pinch of salt.

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Some more information on wheatgrass:

modalitypartnership.nhs.uk/...

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andyswarbs

When the body is healthy then it regulates acidity of foods consumed. A good question is does it do that as efficiently when the gut is in disbiosis? If it cannot control acid leves as well, then perhaps foods that are too alkali or too acid may impact the acidity of the gut more easily.

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benwl

Interesting article explaining why measuring your urine ph isn't much use

sciencebasedpharmacy.wordpr...

whatgoingon profile image
whatgoingon

How does drinking vinegar water affect acidity? What are your thoughts on drinking this?

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Matt2584 in reply to whatgoingon

I was having a similar convo with my mum and a friend about this.

Years ago, after I turned away from all the sugar content in my diet I had read about lemons being a high alkaline food.

So after I read that I started drinking homemade smoothies including lemons and have been doing that for years.

I’m sure I have read things about Apple Cider Vinegar being an alkaline food before and yes it may be great for some but not so great for me regarding erosion of the teeth.

My teeth were in pretty good nick before ACV.

I’m not trying to say ACV has ruined my teeth but I don’t think it is really helping so much either.

A friend of mine once said you can fight acid reflux with lemon juice.

Fight acid with acid... see which one wins :).

Like coconut oil on the skin, our skin produces oil, some of us use oil to cleanse our skin.

Fight oil with oil.

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whatgoingon

Thank you for your response.

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Matt2584 in reply to whatgoingon

No problem :).

Other thing to think is that people might say

Lemon juice or ACV is an acidic food because they are both made up of acid but I think you will find that most, if not all, of the sugar-filled processed foods sold in the supermarkets and the like are acidic foods and none of them have acid in it.

It seems more of a case to me that sugar, mainly refined sugar, is the stuff you want to avoid.

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Cooper27Administrator in reply to Matt2584

Fun fact about lemons: they are acidic when you juice them, but the way they chemically react in the body actually makes them alkali as far as it's concerned :)

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Matt2584 in reply to Cooper27

Well put Cooper :).

I think some people get a bit confused with lemons and acidity.

As I say, I’ve been drinking lemon juice for years and have not had problems.

Besides, if lemons were an acidic food and ACV then tomatoes would be as well and most probably some other fruit or veg that are said to be healthy foods.

If people lived on these “acidic” foods then they would have health problems, right?

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