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Back to "fat makes you fat" again

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So the latest dietary headlines are discussing a study in Aberdeen (on mice though) which shows that fat makes you fat, while carbohydrates (including sugar) do not influence weight:

stv.tv/news/north/1422938-f...

Personally, I think allowing people to justify excess sugar in the diet is a bit risky...

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Meanwhile, back in the real world, populated by humans who choose what they want to eat, carb-heavy diets make people fat, low-fat diets make people ill and miserable, and high-fat low-carb diets consistently make people slimmer. Unfortunately the original paper isn't available online - I guess it's behind a paywall, which is a pity.

No doubt the results of this ground-breaking study will be a huge talking point among the mouse intelligentsia.

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Cooper27Administrator in reply to TheAwfulToad

Hopefully the study will be available soon - it's likely they've just shared a headline so far!

It'll be interesting to see if they do scale this up to humans, but I find it interesting the study comes out not long after the sugar tax came into effect... Not that I'm pointing to conspiracies or anything ;)

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TheAwfulToad in reply to Cooper27

It might scale up, but the question remains ... is it of any practical relevance?

The experimenters were clearly setting out to "prove" something (a highly dubious goal in itself) and I imagine you could manipulate experimental conditions to achieve the desired result. If the animals have nothing to do except eat, and if carbohydrates are kept above a certain threshold, you probably could achieve the stated observations.

But we know for a fact - from observational and interventional studies - that dietary fat doesn't correlate with steady-state bodyweight in humans, who by definition eat a free-choice diet unless they're in hospital or prison.

Their hypothesis is instantly disproved by the extremes: it's perfectly possible to eat a low-fat diet and remain very fat (in fact that happens more often than not), while millions of people eating 65-80% of their calories as fat find it almost impossible to become obese. The excuse that it's "too difficult" to do the experiment on humans is utter nonsense: it's been done multiple times. I'll try to find some good examples later.

Do let us know if you get hold of a copy of the original study. It could be that the press are just misrepresenting (or haven't understood) the result. It wouldn't be the first time that's happened :)

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Cooper27Administrator in reply to TheAwfulToad

cell.com/cell-metabolism/fu...

This is the study, although, as you say, it's behind a pay wall. The abstract is available though.

Zest profile image
Zest

Thanks for sharing this article, Cooper27 - I hope to have a read over the weekend.

Zest :-)

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Interesting, isn't it?

I'm noticing a trend for DNA testing at the moment, and that shows many people, based on genetics, thrive from HFLC, while others need HCLF. It looks like HFLC suits you better, so you're as well sticking with it, and finding the balance that makes you happy.

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Penel

Low carb diets affect men and women differently, because of hormone differences ( even post menopause). I see no reason to remain on a very low carb diet if you have no medical conditions to address and being too low a weight is not going to be healthy.

healthline.com/nutrition/lo...

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Lulububs

Hey

As someone that has ibs but is also into training and eating healthy i would say u have to eat abit of each food group.

On days i work out a little carbs help.

On days i dont il stick to protein fruit and veg.

It all common sense really. I dont believe in all this faddy stuff....

Eat healthy with abit of all the food groups and work out and VOILA... healthy.

Not rocket science is it

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Cooper27Administrator in reply to Lulububs

Yep, completely agree. I am not a big fan of the way advice like this is shared - it doesn't say whether the 30% dietary sugar content came from strawberries (which is a decent source) or soft drinks (which offer no other health benefits), but I know which way Joe public will interpret the study...

At the end of the day, I think we all have a dietary style that works for us - like you say, it will have a bit of everything.

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Penel

It’s unlikely to matter unless you are eating too many or rubbish carbs, are overweight or inactive. The mere sight and smell of food can trigger an insulin response.

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Lulububs

Eating healthy is all about a lifestyle overhaul but it still got to b fun.

I do not limit myself anything if i want a bit of something i will but i will b extra good the next day, it u become to obsessed it sets u up for failure as u will get bored.

I am gluten and dairy free due

To ibs. As soon as i stopped the gluten the weight fell off .. mainly bread was culprit ate way to much and most breads bad to sugary and yeast not good for gut bacteria .

I also got my gut flora back up to full health so it all helps with metabolism and breaking down foods. I lost 2 stone in 6 months...

I now keep it up with really healthy home cooked meals still no gluten or dairy and i stay same weight.

So it a life change but its easy i just live by it i dont actually think about it anymore.. but u should eat bit of all food groups it all helps... even carbs

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