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Why do people fail on a vegan diet?

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It is my opinion that a vegan diet is the most natural and beneficial diet for the human body. I know everyone does not accept that, but that's my opinion. So if that is the case it is worth while understanding why people fail when attempting a vegan lifestyle.

Before I go further I would not want ANYONE reading this to think I am trying to present a holier-than-thou treatise on veganism. I was not a vegan all my life, and far from it. As you may read below I partly chose and then was forced into the lifestyle.

1. The ah-ha Moment, or lack thereof: The number of vegans relative to non-vegans is small. If you are not motivated from inside yourself then you are likely to fail. One answer is to watch documentaries around what drove you to become a vegan in the first place. But if you cannot drive this inside yourself then it is going to be tough.

To go vegan also it is helpful of those around you being supportive- family, friends, colleagues. However it is quite likely some or all of these may seem antagonistic. This is particularly true if you have gone vegan for animal rights issues. People who are not vegan are unlikely to have seen the latest slaughterhouse footage even though easily accessible on the web, and even if they have may not relate to it.

For each of us it needs an ah-ha moment. Mine was 40 years ago watching some turkeys struggling after they had being spilled after a lorry overturned one Christmas. That was the last time I ate meat or fish.

But even that did not stop me consuming dairy & eggs. For that I needed my Rheumatoid Arthritis ah-ha moment in May 2015. For my body, every step of recovery has been around the benefits of a whole food plant based lifestyle. That recovery is not over. I was in pretty dire shape and my recovery will take me the rest of my natural with many hard fought battles. Not least of which is chasing knowledge.

2. Sufficient Calories: As I have posted elsewhere getting sufficient calories is a big reason. Our society is focused so much at getting less calories as a weight management tool, to the point of becoming increasingly paranoid on the subject that some people moving to a vegan lifestyle understandably continue with that mindset.

However in a vegan world the opposite is true. That is you should ensure you get a minimum number of calories rather than a maximum. Weight management wise this is a safe process because, simply put, a vegan diet is low in calorific value giving you ample headroom to eat more without putting on weight. Nutrition-wise it makes sense because by sufficient calories needs must add variety to your diet and through that it becomes almost impossible to have a nutritionally deficient diet, no matter what kind of nutrition you are talking about.

It is fine for me to reassure people about the above: it is very different psychologically when you are overweight and have spent many years dieting and everyone is telling you all the time count your calories. However if you cut back on your calories too much you will end up with, at the very least low energy levels. You are likely to feel depressed. And there ends a vegan lifestyle. I can point to any number of youtube videos of people recording "why I stopped being vegan," and this being at least part of the story.

3. Other Health Issues: By the time we get to the age of 40 hardly anyone has escaped health issues. This is true not least because after the age of 30 the bodies ability to create enzymes begins to reduce and reduce. Without sufficient enzymes the potential for chronic conditions gains more ground in the body.

Of course many people go vegan with the hope it will solve health issues. I can attest that had I simply gone vegan then my arthritic conditions would not have been solved. The more complex the health issues the more focused the process of going vegan needs to be.

There are many people who have, for example, followed Dr John McDougall and found their way out of arthritic problems. But in my heart of hearts I feel that the Paddison Program is as close to the ultimate on how to escape from arthritis. But it is hard work. Many people fail on the Paddison Program because it is hard, very hard. Tough Love and all that.

Also when health issues get serious many people are on medication. Getting medication reduction (if ever feasible) right should not happen too soon (or even too late). Specific advice from people who are going through the same illnesses, similar processes can yield the best advice. But I have seen many people jump the gun. Then they have no much needed support from the medication, their diet is not helping sufficiently and they end up in a downward spiral.

But there are some health issues that even a straightforward good quality whole food plant based diet cannot easily solve. I am thinking here of things IBS and Candida.

The fact is in many cases nutrition, good nutrition for aimed at health recovery is in its infancy. Though there is much that is known there is so much more that is not known.

4 Patience: If I have one objection to the Veganuary scheme is its timescale of one month. I can see why it is done that way, but for my mind three months would give most success.

Gut flora rules the brain when it comes to choosing what we eat. Every cell of the intestine system is entirely replaced in a space of about three months. I think of this as the amount of time it takes to fully change what a person loves in food.

Take someone who has eaten a lot of meat for a lifetime and often they will hate the idea, the taste and look of vegetables. Whilst some people who move towards a vegan lifestyle get used to it quite quickly there is no doubt a lot of people find the change difficult. I think much of this is driven by what the gut flora demands of the brain. As the diet changes and gut flora consequently changes, what tasted awful at first gradually gains a sweetness.

In my own body I have seen that transition with my yellow porridge. When I first started I used sweetened almond milk, then moved to unsweetened, then to water with salt and then to just water. I then added a little turmeric (with black pepper) and then increased to a heaped teaspoon. Now I crave that porridge as if it is an addiction.

My favourite home made juice is cucumber and celery. That was first tasted at the very beginning of my vegan lifestyle. Now I find that so incredibly sweet and fresh. But that was definitely not the case when I first started when it felt a little bit sour and dull.

And finally...

To those who use non-vegan diets to resolve health issues. I totally applaud you. From where I stand I don't think you have a final safe solution. But the fact is getting out of a hell hole of obesity, arthritis and many other chronic conditions is an almost impossible thing to achieve. There are so many people, including doctors who argue "diet has no effect".

So I applaud you if you have taken that step of finding a diet that has helped you, whatever that diet is.

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Hi andyswarbs ,

I would also like to applaud all the people who have found diets that work for them personally, and hope that we all enjoy our paths towards Healthy eating - presuming that may be an understandable goal of many who pop into this community. I also hope that we can continue to learn from one another, and share evidence based information about healthy eating, as well as sharing personal anecdotes too, regarding recipes, foods, and experiences that have been beneficial to each one of us.

Zest :-)

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Well said Zest, I'm thinking of making a post on 'whats a healthy diet for me' and then we can see things from each others perspective.

An interesting well written post again Andy so thank you for the time and effort.

Jerry 😊

i dont think you applaud any one but yourself really 🤔

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The people I feel saddest for are those who consume whatever they want and think there are no consequences. People on this forum are not of that ilk. That I applaud.

I work hard to avoid the animal welfare or global warming aspects of meat, dairy and egg consumption on this forum because it is not part of the forum's agenda. But these alone would prevent me from consuming animal products ever again. If anyone wants to debate me on this aspect you can find me on facebook and twitter - andyswarbs/Andy Swarbrick and indeed other social media.

But if you really want to know what I think of myself... I feel the biggest fool on the planet. I had tolerable arthritis for 40 years and thought I was okay. I congratulated myself on my diet and lifestyle and thought this is fine. What I did not realise was that the clock was ticking and it just needed one stressful moment to start the rapid downhill fall into full blown rheumatoid arthritis. Daily I am reminded by a right elbow that does not work and is sometimes painful. I am frightened of going into hospital or a care home because I know that for my body either will be a downhill departure lounge. Daily I want to eat normal foods that others take for granted. I just want to feel like a normal person.

And I only have myself to blame. If I can aid one other person avoid this or a similar hell hole... That's what drives me every second to research more and more and communicate what I think may be helpful.

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why do you feel sad on what other eat when there very happy and healthy on what they eat.

i dont think anything i say would be listen to by you...

sure you can write a good story..but thats all it is a story..maybe before the book.

you said you a vegan and that your was forced to go on that diet becouse of your health issues and you wish you could have a normal diet like others take for granted ..is that not a bit of a contardiction ..am a bit lost there.

whatever anyway...good luck but i thinks i will just open posts thats about normal food .

time to move on for me again.

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To those who use non-vegan diets to resolve health issues. I totally applaud you. From where I stand I don't think you have a final safe solution..... what does that actually mean?

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andyswarbs in reply to xOceanx

It means research shows that long term health issues such as heart attacks, strokes, parkinsons, dimentia, arthritis and more all have animal foods implicated.

For example dimentia has been shown to be fatty deposits called ameloids building in the brain over years until they block synapses so that thought and memory connections fail. Reversal is only possible in the early stages with an extreme version of my kind of diet. After the early stages progression can be slowed at best.

I am not talking from experience, rather the research I have read. My mother-in-law has, a diet of eggs, dairy, meat and fish and medicines. Her dimentia advances daily despite the medication.

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TheAwfulToad

Andy: on the subject of ageing, dementia, etc., it turns out that (again) a lot of it is down to exercise (or lack of it) rather than diet. For example:

sciencedaily.com/releases/2...

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andyswarbs in reply to TheAwfulToad

There's no doubt that exercise plays a big role. And those who exercise tend to think more about what they eat. And good exercise releases endorphins.. But hard exercise on its own won't stop dimentia or any other chronic illness.

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It'll go a long way towards it: exercise has been shown to be the single most effective method of slowing the natural cognitive decline caused by ageing.

Ultimately, though, we're mortal and we're vulnerable. Imagining that we can defeat our fundamental natures if only we perform the right rituals has been a human fantasy since prehistory, but I don't believe it's a healthy thing to indulge in. When misfortune strikes, we are doubly wounded: we think, "but what did I do to deserve this? I've done everything right! It's not fair!".

Part of growing old is an acceptance of mortality and a gradual disconnection from the younger generation - who will take our place - so that death comes as a friend instead of something to fear and fight against.

Until the inevitable happens, a combination of exercise and diet keeps life meaningful. I'm not ancient, but most people my age are descending into decrepitude. I've found I can stop that happening. I can work as hard (physically) as I can when I was 25. I can count the slips in my serratus muscles, which I couldn't when I was 25. I can run an 8-minute mile without much effort, which apparently puts me in the top 5% of my age group. Barring some bad luck - which can happen to anyone, at random - I'm fairly confident I'll still be on my feet and working when I'm 85. I'm equally confident if I ate nothing but plants (much as I like vegetables) I'd have a lot more trouble maintaining this lifestyle.

Here's a recent study on the incredible predictive value of cardiovascular fitness in relation to CVD:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

A similar study found that:

"... a 55-year-old man who took 15 minutes to run a mile had a 30 per cent lifetime risk of dying from heart disease.

In contrast, a 55-year-old who could run a mile in eight minutes had a lifetime risk of less than 10 per cent."

So being fit can slash your risk of developing heart disease by a factor of 2 or 3. Compare that with the touted risk reduction associated with, say, statins, which is so small that many studies can't find any positive effect at all.

Vegan per se is not a ticket to heart health:

medscape.com/viewarticle/88...

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andyswarbs in reply to TheAwfulToad

Quite right TAD, Vegan per se is not a ticket. Complex carbs (rather than refined carbs) is the ticket as per your article - and to that I wholeheartedly concur. As the author states, "more whole grains rather than refined grains, more whole foods rather than juices—that's the right direction to take."

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TheAwfulToad in reply to andyswarbs

Similiar to the studies on carnivores, studies on vegans tend to lump all non-meat-eaters together, whether they're eating sliced white bread sandwiches for lunch or proper food. Studying diet is really hard!

Personally I don't like the phrase 'complex carb'. It's one of those imprecise terms invented by nutritionists for which perfectly good scientific words (or everyday descriptions) already exist. I honestly can't figure out what it's supposed to even mean. Sometimes it's used to mean 'polysaccharide', or 'starch', which is stupid, because starches are chopped up into glucose units pretty damn fast. I think you're using it to mean 'starches which are packaged in such a way that enzyme activity is hindered', ie., low GI foods. I can certainly agree that if you insist on eating starch, then that's the way to do it.

It really annoys me that people think fruit juices, for example, are healthy. In many cases you might as well just drink a can of coke and take a vitamin pill; the effective health impact is about the same. Just eat a piece of fruit. Don't put six of them in a juicer and throw all the good bits away.

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andyswarbs in reply to TheAwfulToad

Totally agree with you on all points.

You may already be aware, there's a thread on this subject.

healthunlocked.com/cure-art...

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I can certainly see that someone with dementia may also have diabetes. When inflammation spreads through the body it will find the weak spots in that body and flag an attack there. For some that might be joints, others the brain may be the focus.

If I was able to influence my m-in-l diet I would have done it by now. Instead she eats / is fed cheap and nasty foods that I would not feed to an animal - no disrespect to animals. For instance she probably eats ready-made macaroni cheese once a week, just heat it in the microwave...

Looking through your articles it is echoed that, as I think I already knew from my previous researches that any effect any dietary benefits would only be effective in mild cases of dementia. My mother-in-law is very advanced and all that holds her head above water is a range of medication.

I also know the original citations for the benefits of coconut oil was actually eating coconut flesh in the context of a plant-based diet, rather than the refined oils extracted from coconuts.

From the university health news article they seem to be doing a double-placebo trial. Hopefully this will be peer-reviewed to give the research substantial credibility when it is published.

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