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val51
val51
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I was wondering if anyone else has got fatty liver I have been put on a fat free sugar free diet I'm struggling with the weight I have now starting 45mins of walking too but my weight will not budge has anyone got ideas that could help I forgot to say I'm a 61yr old female and don't drink alcohol

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grace111
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grace111

hi val i just want to say hello as i posted that link below to quick. you will get pleny of good recipes here. Its almost impossible to eat a fat free diet. also those low fat foods in the supermarket are not healthy nor good as they are chemically treated and usually full of sugar to make up for the low fat. We need good fats for our bodies to funciton properly. epecailly the kind of fats in nuts seeds and fish.. Just eat less. eat pleny of fruit and vegetables. not to much fruit as there is sugar in it although its not the same as that proseesed sugar but i still would not take to much fruit if your trying to loose weight. stay away from biscuits buns cakes and shorbreads and pizz'as and creamy pasta and not to much cheese. butter is good for us. its better than those low fat spreads with are chemically treated. just use a very little. we need to enjoy our food or we wont stick to it and will go back to eating all the wrong things again. try and stick to making your foods from scratch. it becomes easeir and a joy to the more you do it. all the very best. love grace xoxoxo

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val51
val51
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Thankyou for your help will certainly try all the things your advising like you say it's very hard but I keep trying

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grace111
grace111
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yes keep trying thats the way to do it. most things that are worthwhile are hard i think. we are here for you. love grace xoxo

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cure

Avoid any form of Fructose..

precisionnutrition.com/all-...

health.harvard.edu/heart-he...

just type non-alcoholic fatty liver and fructose in google and u will find lots of information why you should avoid same...

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grace111
grace111
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after reading all that at the end of the day whats the message.???

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cure
cure
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Avoid any form of Fructose..if you are suffering with NAFLD

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grace111
grace111
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is there frustose in fruit?

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grace111
grace111
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this has baffled me now , i'v got one big headache. pass the paracetamol

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cure
cure
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I am sorry...But that is what truth is :(

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benwl
benwl
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Actually no, the truth is rarely as simple as that. I don't like pasting chunks of links but I think the conclusion of that Harvard study is worth quoting:

Experts still have a long way to go to connect the dots between fructose and nonalcoholic fatty liver disease, obesity, diabetes, and heart disease. Higher intakes of fructose are associated with these conditions, but clinical trials have yet to show that it causes them.

Still, it's worth cutting back on fructose. But don't do it by giving up fruit. Fruit is good for you and is a minor source of fructose for most people. The big sources are refined sugar and high-fructose corn syrup.

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grace111
grace111
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yes there is more in fruit than fructose and i read you would need to eat lots and lots of it for the amount of fructose to be harmful. although as i mentioned to Val best not to eat to much if one wants to loose weight. but do eat some as its good for us.

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cure
cure
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grace111

is there fructose in fruit?

Yes… fructose means fruit sugar.

benwl

The final message the link wants to deliver is….

Still, it's worth cutting back on fructose.

Now, the next line…

But don't do it by giving up fruit. Fruit is good for you and is a minor source of fructose for most people.

I think we should read this line keeping in mind the NAFLD condition. Alcohol in small quantity may be good for healthy person, but it is harmful for a person with liver condition.

Sugar may be a good source of instant energy, but will be harmful for a diabetic.

Therefore we must read all these lines keeping in mind with specific conditions.

@grace111

yes very good. and surely the british liver trust if they are telling us to eat fruit and veg then they cant be wrong. ???

I think this advice is for healthy person.

Further there are many such advises rolled back after further studies. E.G. Cholesterol/ancel keys experiment.

I think Hidden and Shashikantiyengar will be able to tell you lot about such advises.

NAFLD is reversible condition, and there is connection between fructose and NAFLD. And therefore, I don’t think in order to cut back fructose ....avoiding fruits for some time (till condition improves) will be harmful.

Choice is yours.

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cure
cure
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health.harvard.edu/heart-he...

The entry of fructose into the liver kicks off a series of complex chemical transformations. (You can see a diagram of these at health.harvard.edu/172.) One remarkable change is that the liver uses fructose, a carbohydrate, to create fat. This process is called lipogenesis. Give the liver enough fructose, and tiny fat droplets begin to accumulate in liver cells (see figure). This buildup is called nonalcoholic fatty liver disease, because it looks just like what happens in the livers of people who drink too much alcohol.

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...... Beyond the liver

The breakdown of fructose in the liver does more than lead to the buildup of fat. It also:

elevates triglycerides

increases harmful LDL (so-called bad cholesterol)

promotes the buildup of fat around organs (visceral fat)

increases blood pressure

makes tissues insulin-resistant, a precursor to diabetes

increases the production of free radicals, energetic compounds that can damage DNA and cells.

None of these changes are good for the arteries and the heart.

Guess message is very clear....

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grace111
grace111
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i would say the best part of this study is the bit im posting which says do not give up fruit.

Experts still have a long way to go to connect the dots between fructose and nonalcoholic fatty liver disease, obesity, diabetes, and heart disease. Higher intakes of fructose are associated with these conditions, but clinical trials have yet to show that it causes them.

Still, it's worth cutting back on fructose. But don't do it by giving up fruit. Fruit is good for you and is a minor source of fructose for most people. The big sources are refined sugar and high-fructose corn syrup.

The American Heart Association recommends limiting the amount of sugar you get from sugar-sweetened drinks, pastries, desserts, breakfast cereals, and more, mainly to avoid gaining weight. The same strategy could also protect your liver and your arteries.

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cure
cure
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grace111 are you really serious that without consumption of fruits NAFLD will not improve???

And fruits will not add harmful fructose???

about The American Heart Association ....request you to check recent dietary guidelines and previous one and compare with them pl.

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grace111
grace111
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that is the last part of the study of your link. The link you posted

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benwl
benwl
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I don't think anyone is saying that you must eat fruits to improve NAFLD - merely that there is no need to cut them out.

The point of that study is that NAFLD is associated with rise in excess fructose consumption caused by its addition in the form of supplementations like high fructose corn syrup, not because people are eating too much fruit.

The simple take away message is to eat natural foods close to their natural state and avoid refined, processed and artificially supplemented foods.

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cure
cure
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I don't think anyone is saying that you must eat fruits to improve NAFLD..

and then do u agree that fruits will add harmful fructose??

and is it really very very essential to consume fruits and add fructose till condition improves???

The simple take away message is to eat natural foods close to their natural state and avoid refined, processed and artificially supplemented foods.

Even fruits are selectively bread for more sweetness....

fruits which we consume are not same which our ancestors consumed...

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benwl
benwl
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>>>and then do u agree that fruits will add harmful fructose??

Not necessarily - one of the lessons of nutrition research is that the same compound can affect the body in different ways depending on how it is taken.

For examples of difference between fructose taken naturally in fruit and directly see here:

nutritionfacts.org/video/if...

>>> Even fruits are selectively bread for more sweetness....

>>> fruits which we consume are not same which our ancestors consumed...

This is true, and not just fruits but almost all plants and animals that humans consume have been modified through selective breeding. However my argument for eating natural foods is not due to the naturalistic fallacy - that foods are good because they are natural - but rather based on the empirical evidence that more natural and less processed foods tend to be healthier. I am not a fan of the paleo argument either, in part for this reason.

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cure
cure
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Not necessarily - one of the lessons of nutrition research is that the same compound can affect the body in different ways depending on how it is taken.

This principal is well known in India and mentioned by 'Ayurveda' .

Like Honey is good and Ghee is also good.. but combination of same is equal quantity is bad...

milk is good fish also good...but consuming milk after consumption of fish is bad.

Also it is suggested that when we consume mango the same should be added with pinch of black pepper powder and ghee.

Entire traditional Indian food system is based on this principal.

However,like when we get some wound and if that body part is soar..it is wise to avoid further injury and should be extra careful.We should try to give more rest to that part/organ and not to add more burden.

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val51
val51
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Thankyou cure this is very interesting and it makes good sense certainly worth trying as I have my Hexton scan 12th June hopefully looking better then

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cure
cure
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val51

In year 2005 during my regular health check up they diagnosed me for ' NASH' (advanced NAFLD)

I never drink alcohol….no soda… we Indians eat only whole grain.. No pizza no pasta..lots of vegetables..

So no additional fructose…

Then what could be the reason???

Yes…thinking fruits are healthy was eating lots of fruits… lots of Indian sweets… and fruits and carbs is deadly combination..

I love fruits….

Within few years doctors told me about my blood pressure..

And within next few years.. Diabetes..with 13+ Hba1c.

They wanted to put me on statin and Victoza..

I refused…

Luckily while surfing I landed on Diabetes India forum on HU.

Started reading discussions… Mr Hidden and few others were strongly advising everyone to go for low carb and fructose free.

I thought to give it a try…and now my Hba1c is 5.8 ,last scan shows mild fatty liver..BP normal..cholesterol perfect…lost about22 kgs and around 9 inches around waist.

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cure
cure
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val51 benwl grace111

you may have look at my recent blood reports here

healthunlocked.com/diabetes...

GGT ,SGPT and SGOT are markers for fatty liver...

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cure
cure
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why not Hidden

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cure
cure
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You are the one who strongly advised low carb...

It opened my mind...made me read more...and experiment.

Without HU and you by now i must be bed ridden and taking insulin shots..and waiting for bypass.

It worked for me...

Thank you very much.

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cure
cure
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benwl

here is one link...on same subject...

may be you will find interesting.

easyayurveda.com/2013/03/14...

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val51
val51
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Thankyou was for this was really wondering if to eat fruit anymore will continue as before xx

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grace111
grace111
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val, i dont eat lots of fruit but i like lemon in hot water in the morning and i have a few berries with my porridge and salad and eat a peice of fruit most days. . i eat lots of vetables too and make a lot of soup. its very upsetting when we think we have something sorted out and someone says something different. i tend to go on what my bodys feels like. some people make smoothies every day with lots of fruit so i dont think i want to do that. i also enjoy a few grapes. also i tend to go on what the british liver foundation says , that link about the fruit, i'v posted the last part of that same link that cure posted. wishing you well. love grace xoxo

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val51
val51
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Thankyou grace for your very interesting article vwaery interesting I am having another scan on my liver 12th June hopefully it will be looking better x

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grace111
grace111
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val51 wishing you all the best for your liver scan on 12th june. please let us know how it is. love grace xoxo

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val51
val51
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Thankyou grace I certainly will let you know x

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Activity2004
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Thanks for posting the links with your comments. I will have a look at them, cure!😀👍

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val51
val51
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Thank you for your help

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patliputra

liverdoctor.com

A good site to visit for NAFLD.

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grace111
grace111
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yes very good. and surely the british liver trust if they are telling us to eat fruit and veg then they cant be wrong. ???

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grace111
grace111
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what medications do they give for NAFLD as i have this and have been told to alter my diet and NO MEDICATION

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cure
cure
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grace111there is no medication for nafld...avoid fructose as possible as u can..

There are few herbs which u can try...

One is milk thistle..

However liver is such organ that it recovers on its own if given rest.

So best thing is give it rest.

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grace111
grace111
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im replying to anup who said "They are never wrong, only thing is they think they can cure NAFLD with medications" this was about the british liver trust. so he was stating that. so im asking him what ones they give. iv certainly never heard of any medications for NAFLD i was told to change my diet. ARe you sure that liver disease gets better given rest. Thats not totally true. i want to eat fruit as i'v alread told you.

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grace111
grace111
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i willl stick to my diet thanks please dont give me any more unwanted advice.

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grace111
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you must have pressed my reply button as its coming up on my bell at the top of the page and also i like my diet i know for a fact that an apple is a lot healthier than a scone or a packet of crisps. iv got great advice on my diet thanks.

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grace111
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you are still sending me diet information i dont want after i have asked you not to. a very forceful character.

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grace111
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please leave me alone. i dont want your advice on your diet. its not right for me. i have my own diet. you can comment all you want but your constantly using the reply button to me.

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This is complete rubbish. The british liver trust advises a complete diet change and does not offer any medications to cure NAFLD . You can see from this link they recommend loosing weight and diet.

britishlivertrust.org.uk/li...

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LaurieRose

Hi, I have the same I've read going gluten free and not reading after six pm, eating small regular meals during the day and drinking 10 glasses of water so basically a glass of water an hour. Depending on your BMI, water app can work it out how much is good for you to drink. Cut out fructose which include fruits eat raw veg for snacks. Aerobic exercise burns fat. You're not alone, it's hard but never give up...one healthy day at a time.on-Alcohol Related Fatty Liver Disease (NAFLD)

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val51
val51
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Thankyou for your advice will definitely givery it a try

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LaurieRose

*eating

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Shashikantiyengar

I was having grade 1 fatty liver

Also type 2 diabetes got diagnosed 1.5 years back

Started Low carb High fats diet

Also milk thistle 300 mg per day for 6 months

Lots of bitters like bitter melon juice. Indian gooseberry juice . Wheatgrass . Aloe Vera. These are good for the liver

Apple cider vinegar with lemon

Kale is also good for liver

Try It

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val51

Thankyour I will give it a try

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Dishy

Hi Anup that sounds like very good advice! I was on a low fat diet for years and used to walk everyday for an hour but have not walked at all this year have been eating lots of sugary foods and have gained about 6kg one stone and don't like it at all. Will try cut the carbs and sugar and see how I manage

Thanks

Dishy

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