Stage 4 lung cancer & CBC oil

[DeeAnna]

What brand of CBC oil is the best for Stage 4 lung cancer & the amount each day

[SusieJo1948]

I don't know if it helps there should be a few on here who have it.I know the fibro site there is more trying it. I had lung cancer they removed my upper left lung and some nodes. I refused radiation.I took 6 months of chemo. I'm now a 5 and a half years Lung cancer survivor. We call each other warriors and this is are new normal. The people on here are great. They know a lot about treatments I had stage three a lot of them have stage4 there are a lot of m

Treatments out now that are letting people live longer this is the best site to be on.if you need to talk we're all here for you. Lovesusiejo1948

[DeeAnna in reply to SusieJo1948]

Thank u so much Susiejo

[jpoehlmann]

I'm not at all sure what happened to my original reply to this, but I am going to try a significantly shorter version now. I'm not a doctor, but I have looked into CBD and THC claims quite a bit over the 3.5 years since I began treatment for my Stage IV lung cancer. I've used pure THC and pure CBD and various combinations of the two. I have also spent a lot of time looking into anecdotes of other patients who used these products and the various claims of people on the Internet (including time in a very large Facebook group). I have also spoken with professionals in the medical cannabis industry, including workers at a medical dispensary and professional consultants (including a medical doctor) who try to help patients tailor the right products to their treatment.

Your question is about what type of CBD oil to take and what the dose should be. That depends quite a bit on what you are expecting it to do.

Speaking specifically to CBD oil, there are basically two types: hemp CBD and cannabis CBD. The CBD oil from cannabis tends to be a bit more complex with more terpenes than are found in hemp, which translates to cannabis perhaps being a more potent source of CBD. Of course, hemp CBD is available in many more states due to the illegal status of cannabis, even though pure CBD has no psychoactive properties. So when you are researching brands, note what the source of the product is. Also, try to determine how legit the manufacturer and seller are. I've known people who have had success with one brand and then ordered from another place that sent a bottle with no info on it and apparently was sold as a scam. It is hard to know about most sellers, especially if the product is ordered sight unseen. Personally, I have been fortunate to live in an area with many dispensaries and some that are for medical purposes only.

Now, the important part of your question is about dosing. And this depends on what symptom or side-effect you are looking to mitigate. If you are expecting a cure for your cancer, you should be aware that there is no compelling scientific evidence that CBD (or THC, for that matter) can cure lung cancer. While there is plenty of reason to continue studying medical cannabis, decades of research in other countries still never produced any positive results that would lead to a clinical trial. Part of the problem here, of course, is that every single patient reacts slightly differently to bioactive compounds. Experiments in a Petri dish or in mouse studies rarely translate to the human body. But there is still hope that elements of cannabis or hemp will become part of a viable treatment in the coming years.

That said, I have also seen hundreds of claims regarding both THC and CBD as being curative in a combination of YouTube videos and Facebook groups. Both of these forums are notoriously bad for getting reliable information, as there are no checks and balances on the claims being made. Whenever possible, I tried to dissect the claims to determine what really happened. They broke down into a few basic categories. One, the patient never actually had a proper diagnosis, and therefore probably did not actually have cancer in the first place. Two, the "patient" is clearly trying to sell something by making unsupported but highly remarkable claims, i.e., a snake oil salesperson. Three, the patient quite legitimately achieved a cure that would have been expected from the conventional treatment used -- but all the credit is given to the CBD or THC because of the patient's conviction that it had to be the cannabis.

This last category is actually quite large, but every single case that I examined where it was clearly verifiable that the patient did have cancer and was probably at least in remission or showing no evidence of disease, the patient had also undergone a conventional medical treatment that would have been entirely expected to produce the results. This is far too common. But there is probably some truth to the notion that the use of medical cannabis made it easier for the patient to endure the treatment, and therefore more likely to be successful.

So what can CBD verifiably help with? Perhaps as an appetite stimulant (though that is more the domain of THC). It may help mitigate nausea. It may help lessen some forms of pain or discomfort. It may calm the body, and generate a "feeling of well-being." Used with THC, it also helps to prevent the "high" that THC produces. CBD is also used to treat epilepsy and reportedly also has anti-psychotic effects. The dosing is generally recommended to simply start off small and gradually increase as you experiment with it. The good news is that there are supposedly no known side-effects to taking CBD, and there is no way to overdose on it. It seems to play nice with other medications -- but you absolutely must confer with your oncologist before taking ANY bioactive medicines.

I was not overly impressed by my own experience with cannabis derivatives. They work well in helping me sleep better some of the time, but that is mainly the THC. I don't have problems with nausea and I did not find either THC or CBD to be particularly helpful with my pain, though they may work well with higher doses than I tried. Or they may not -- it is really difficult to know how anyone will react to these products.

Before trying ANY product like this, consult with your oncologist and maybe even your general practitioner. You want to double check that you will not have any conflicts with other medications. Once you find out what types of products are available, you need to learn the best way to ingest it. Obviously, you don't want to inhale the product, so sublingual application is probably the easiest and most direct way to get the product into your system. If you eat or swallow the product, it gets metabolized in the liver which does change some of the chemical properties and dramatically slows the absorption rate. (In the case of THC, eating the product actually increases the psychoactive effect -- which may take about two hours or more to show up.)

I hope that this helps. There are a lot of myths out there, but no professional I have had the opportunity to talk to in the medical cannabis industry here in Los Angeles will promise anything beyond possible palliative use. None of them have claimed to know anyone who had been cured, either. Of course, this is all from my personal experience. I've been told about people who claim to have been cured by cannabis alone but I have not been able to arrange interviews with those people (mainly because they disappear after making the claim and then being invited to support it with medical information). Again, only my personal experience here -- I am not a doctor, but you definitely need to talk with one before taking anything "medicinal" at all.

[ThePurplePlace in reply to jpoehlmann]

jpoehlmann,

Great post with lots of valuable information. I am also a Stage IV Patient and agree with your points. Personally, I did not like my results with Cannabis (legal in my State) and I've never found any solid research that provides any real "proof" that it's curative, personally I do not believe it is, but I do believe that for some, it does help 'some' with the side effects of treatment. I did not have that response and was disappointed, but it was also very new here at the time and was a learning process even for those selling it at the State Dispensary.

If you want to try this "PLEASE" consult with your Oncology team, especially if you will be on Immunotherapy, as there was a small study done that showed the it lessened the "effects" of the treatment. Also take the time to reach more and learn just exactly the the best dosage and type of Cannabis would be for you. I bought mine for a State Licensed DIspensary after apply for a State MM Card.

Be very careful and watchful for scams--sadly there are many out there who will try to take advantage of people who truly want to find a cure or better treatment option to help in their cancer battle.

Please take the time to do research before you spend a lot of money on a treament that may not help in any way. Best wishes and good luck in your cancer journey.

[DeeAnna in reply to jpoehlmann]

WOW!!!👍🏻🙏🏻Thank u so much for taking time out to tell. It’s a lot of help to me.Are you a survivor or are you still doing treatment? I hope your 100% free of cancer🙏🏻Thank u again for your time. YOUR AWESOME

[jpoehlmann in reply to DeeAnna]

Thanks, DeeAnna -- I am glad it was helpful. Yes, I am still in treatment and I expect to be for a long time to come. I am currently in a clinical trial, so we will see where that goes... Best of luck to you.

[Denzie Moderator Volunteer in reply to jpoehlmann]

Just saw this post after responding to a different one. I just want to give you a heads up that I paraphrased a statement you made on Quora. I respect the work, the research and the writing you do. Thank you!

[jpoehlmann in reply to Denzie]

Thank YOU, Denzie. That is quite a compliment.

[Buddy03 in reply to jpoehlmann]

Such helpful information. Thanks so much