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Reversing Stage 4 Nash!

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I was diagnosed January 2021 with stage 4 Nash through a fibroscan and had a liver biopsy for confirmation in February 2021. It confirmed the diagnosis as well as a diagnosis of beginning cirrhosis. I have attached my first 3 scans. I went last week for my 4th scan since following low carbs, walking 2-3 miles daily, and drinking coffee and I finally dropped to a 6.2 and 206! My lifestyle is working!!!

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Shelterdog

That is so awesome! Great job!!

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Herman7275

Yes I had same diagnosis, and same prescription for, NASH, 3 years ago, I am still on a low carb diet, exercising 3 times a week. Keep it up we will win this thing. Any questions, give me a shout !!

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Jkf1

Great job!

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Ilovejoe

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼💐

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Stewarpa

Congratulations!!! Keep up the good work and providing great inspiration!!

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J5527

Great news! What are some examples of the carbs you ate ? I'm a month into this still trying to tweak my diet. So far I've done really no carbs

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Newdeck in reply to J5527

I basically cut out normal sugar, potatoes, pasta, and bread. At first I limited myself to 20 ish carbs. I weighed 164 a year and a half ago and have maintained 122-126 for the last 6 months. I also stayed away from most fruits except blueberries and raspberries. After losing the weight, I have since added a couple of the tiny red potatoes once in a while and takes bites of all fruits and even a roll once in a while. I also drink a glass of wine once a week and sometimes have a little bourbon (I miss that the most😉). If I know I am having regular pizza or other foods with carbs , I just make sure I don’t have many throughout the day. I downloaded a keto app after my initial diagnosis and learned carb contents of everything so you just eventually know what you can and can’t have. You have to cheat or you will crave it! Candied pecans with monk fruit are a life saver for me. Unfortunately this diet is expensive! I use monk fruit and recently discovered the powdered sugar stevia - yum! It will just eventually become a lifestyle for you. The walking is important and the coffee supposedly is good too! I have yet to drink it without sugarfree creamer or syrups - but I do it! You got this!

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ThyroidDeb in reply to Newdeck

Great work!!

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Herman7275 in reply to J5527

I limit my intake to low carb, but cauliflower and broccoli, cabbage, Brussels sprouts, tomatoes, salad fixings are good vegetales, berries are good fruit strawberries, blueberry, blackberry, raspberry, slot of eggs, hard cheese, Access diet dr.com for low carb recipes

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ladyellyn in reply to Herman7275

Just looked at dietdr.com and I really like all th eoptions and ideas especially sugar types explanation. Many Thanx

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Herman7275 in reply to ladyellyn

Sure glad to pass on news, any other ?? Just asked !!!

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Herman7275 in reply to ladyellyn

Sure any other help glad to help out!!

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BeachLover23

That's awesome! Way to go!

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Kathiy

Congratulations! You keep me inspired as I am F3 Nash. I have lost 30 lbs with 10 to go and following diet like yours. I am also type 2 diabetic and have high cholesterol and triglycerides.

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Newdeck in reply to Kathiy

I was diabetic as well, but no longer! I went from a 7.6 A1C to a 5.4! Best of luck to you😊

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Herman7275 in reply to Kathiy

keep up the good work we can change our life by taking care of our sselves.. I am type 2 and high BP and cholesterole and high triglycerides also but my A1c is at 6.6 and I am trying my hardest to loose weight and keep it all where it should be!!! Its best for us all !!!

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Kathiy in reply to Herman7275

It sure is a battle! I have gotten a1c down to 5.8 but the weight barely budges as I am on Mirtzapine for sleep and it causes major weight gain. I have not been able to get off that drug but have lost 30 so I keep on working at it. Best wishes to you!

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Herman7275 in reply to Kathiy

Have you tried low carb diet?

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Kathiy in reply to Herman7275

Yes I am on low carb and do intermittent fasting few days a week eating in 8 hour window.

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Herman7275 in reply to Kathiy

Ok eat breakfast & supper 30 carbs, 134 gr. Protein, 89gr. Fat 1460 calories, exercise .

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Herman7275 in reply to Herman7275

I mean I eat this way.

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Kathiy in reply to Herman7275

Glad that is working for you!

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Herman7275 in reply to Kathiy

Hope you find something that will work for you equally as well.

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Herman7275 in reply to Kathiy

And can help you, VA already had me on 250 units of insulin, 5 shots a day. Then I got real help from IU Medical Center in Indianapolis, Indiana after I found out had fatty liver and f-3 fibrosis. Ron

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Herman7275 in reply to Kathiy

My diet dr has put me on Phentermine 15MG to squelch appetite some, it helps alot and I take for 90 days then lay off for 30 days then start back. check it out might help YOU...

in reply to Herman7275

Glad to hear it is helping you. Unfortunately my weight gained is from Remeron a sleep med I have been on 20 years and unable to get off. I have managed to get 30 lbs off by really be strict eating and I think with higher dose metformin. My dr has me down to 1 metformin instead of 3 a day now and the weight loss has stopped. It sure is a daily battle!

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Herman7275 in reply to Kathiy

Well you sound like where I was Aug. 2019. I have lossed 250 triglycerides . Besides the helping thr fibrosis and liver, so it does help & it works. Ron

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Kathiy in reply to Herman7275

Did your triglycerides improve with diet? Mine are around 240 and ldl 115. I have that familial high cholesterol and on crestor statin but afraid to increase dose because of the f3 liver. Hope you are doing well!

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Herman7275 in reply to Kathiy

I am still taking meds but I believe the low carb diet and exercise hase helped my A1c & triglycerides more than my meds have. My triglycerides were over 500 whrn I started this so have cut that more than half so far!!!

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Kathiy in reply to Herman7275

That is great to hear! This is such an ongoing battle. Somedays I wish I could just eat wings and have a milkshake. Wish you well.

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Herman7275 in reply to Kathiy

Well , here's a secret after being on this for 2 yrs, every once in awhile a peanut butter milkshake ends up in my possession!!!

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Kathiy in reply to Herman7275

Haha! Good to know.

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Herman7275 in reply to Kathiy

That way now you know the word "milkshake" is still inevitable!! Lol 😄

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Truex

Fantastic work!

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ladyellyn

I am so thrilled to see how the A1C can be driven down and not taking medications. The meds are horrible it is a staircase to insulin shot dependency and neuropathy. The answer is proper foods and exercise.

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Livmar in reply to ladyellyn

Ladyellyn is one thousand percent correct. The answer is indeed correct food and exercise!!!

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Herman7275 in reply to ladyellyn

As soon as you can get away from insulin, With dr's care they took insulin away from me in whole a month after I started the low carb diet !!!!

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Cat551

Great job, keep it up!

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andrewax2

Love this! My numbers have steadily been improving too.

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Herman7275

Great !! I had same start and it all works by low carb diet and exercising, congrats!!!

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waterstop

Do you know why the CAP score stays so high? And is that bad that it does

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Newdeck in reply to waterstop

I do not. Scanning again next week so anxious to see.

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waterstop

Do you know why the CAP score remains high? And is that bad that it is

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Newdeck

Do you mean the 206 score?

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waterstop in reply to Newdeck

yes

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Newdeck in reply to waterstop

I have no idea, but my doctor has high hopes. They tell me the biopsies are always risky so I have opted not to do another one at this point. Hopefully the Cirrhosis stays where it is and does not get worse.

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Rcjb

Can you actually reverse cirrhosis? Or just prevent from worsening?

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Newdeck in reply to Rcjb

my specialist says it can be reversed- I am due for another fibroscan in a couple of weeks so anxious to see if my numbers have stayed down

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Alterity

I really hate to bust your bubble, but that is not reversing the Stage 4. That is reversing the fat around the liver, but not the Cirrhosis. Mine has gone way down as well and the Dr. said they thought I was in Stage 2 or 3 according to the Fiber scan, yes the fat is separating and not as tight around the liver as it was, however with a 3rd biopsy within 3 years because I was on the research program, the cirrhosis is still in stage 4. The Cirrhosis is not getting any better and is the hardest to reverse. Everything with the fiber scan is great news, you are extending your life, however your not reversed. They are working with a new pill that has not been FDA approved yet, that is supposed to work from the inside out and will help reverse the Cirrhosis. Keep up the good work, you are getting better, as I am too after 21 years of dealing with NASH and stage 4 and a weight lose of 70 pounds.

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Newdeck in reply to Alterity

MayI ask what your fibroscan numbers started at and what they reduced to? I went to a research trial twice. The first time my numbers and biopsy of cirrhosis wouldn’t let me qualify, however, the second time I attended I did qualify. But I was not willing to go through the biopsies required. They told me they have had people with higher numbers, but did not have cirrhosis so I am quite mystified why/how I did? I was not very large, ate pretty decent, and athletic so I have never fit into the cirrhosis mold of NASH.

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Alterity in reply to Newdeck

I have been told I have Nash with Cirrhosis and that I am in Stage 4. My fiberscans say 2/3 stage, but the Cirrhosis is till in 4. That's about all I know. I have a very hard liver.

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Lucymyliver22

Keep up th÷great work!

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waterstop

If I am not over weight, What is more important to cut back on carbs or saturated fats, I was lead to believe it was the fats??????? Please advise, Thank you

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Newdeck in reply to waterstop

I was told it is the carbs. ???

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Lucymyliver22

Excellent!

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Herman7275

Fantastic !!! I am so happy for YOU!!! Keep it up !!! Great job, I have been struggling my self but I must get back to what I type here to YOU !!!!

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Herman7275

Congratulations 🎊 👏!!!

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Alterity

I don't want to burst your bubble, but I have been in Stage 4 for years. I have lost over 60 pounds and yes my fiber scans are way down and you would think I would be out of Stage 4 and out of cirrhosis, but I'm not. My scans went from around 25 to 9.4, but my biopsy still says I'm in Stage 4. I was in a research program and thought I'd be down to a Stage 3 or even 2 but nope. I'm still in Stage 4 with a scan still around 9. I went from 283 to 205 so actually almost 80 pounds lost. Stay positive and still keep up the good work losing, but if your in Stage 4 it is going to take a lot of time to reverse the cirrhosis. I've live 22 years and still going.

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Newdeck in reply to Alterity

May I ask what stage the cirrhosis was in? Is it stage 4 Nash and stage 4 cirrhosis? Or stage 4 Nash and stage 1 cirrhosis?

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