In response to my escalated serum Creatinine value, suramo advised me to monitor microalbuminurea to assess the health of kidneys. Last few days a fare quantity of extra sweet was being taken. Hence I got a blood test done today. Result is given above and appears to be normal.
Thank you suramo for the concern and advice.
The valuable comments of suramo and ALL learned and respected members are earnestly welcomed.
ShooterGeorge
Great. Your reports are commendable.
Just great. And you are still on lwmdr. So a few of us should start the therapy and see the results. We can have an alternative therapy. Good for vegetarians.
Reduction of your s cr level shows that K dysfunction can be reversed.
I'm not on LWMDR.
I wish to clarify something. You suggested and I requested the lab to test "microalbuminurea". The report shows "Microalbumin-Urine". Is this what you wanted me to get tested?
I was expecting a blood test but what they did was a urine test!?
Thank you for all the nice appreciation and encouragement.
ShooterGeorge
No. It's on urine in fasting state like we do a1c test.
So what diet are you taking now ? How long back did you stop lwmd ?
@suramo, thank you for the clarification about "microalbuminurea" test.
I discontinued LWMDR by 2009. Last year (2016) I have taken 3-4 kg of LW @ once a day, 1 or 2 days a week. This was because higher sugar/sweet intake showed variation in sugar level as shown in my web article at appropedia. Taking LWM once or twice a week with all other intakes (like rice, chappaathy, idly, dosa, puttu, coffee, tea, fruits, 3-4 desserts on special occasions such as festivals, marriage like functions IS NOT CONSIDERED LWMDR.
ShooterGeorge
Thanks. So you have not been taking lwmdr since 2009 and this is 2017. So for almost 8 yrs you have not been taking it.
1) how long did you take it before 2009?
2) what has been your diet since since 2009?
3) 3-4 kg lw@day. Are you not making any mistake ? And if no what is the form or recipe/s of lw that you took last year ?
This is really very interesting to me. Although i control my bs reasonably well and my 1 hr pp too is well controlled during last 5 months of going grain free just two days back i ate just one tablespoonful of rice with eggplant and green pigeon peas veg. my 2 hr pp was 171🐒🐒😳😳. so what i'm trying to say is that my bs control lasted as long as my diet was correct. So i'm not cured and not getting cured but keeping a tight rope balance of bs by IDM. Any And every time i missed that check on my diet the bs would stumble /be out of control. I think that is true for all t2d.
Thank you for the response. You are right; for almost 8 yrs I am not following LWMDR.
1. I had been telling 3 years from 2006 to 2009 because was diagnosed diabetic in 2006 and cure was established by blood tests, in 2009. But recently my wife corrected me telling that she had cooked LW for me only up to 2008!!! So from 2008 to 2009 was coasting (ie moving with the acquired momentum).
2. My diet since 2009 is typical Kerala style; either thrice rice based or twice rice based & once chappaaththy.
3. Sorry that my poor language made you misunderstand. In the whole year 2016 I have eaten 3-4 kg of LW. LW was eaten only @ 1 or 2 days a week and on those days only 1 of the 3 meals is made of LW. I was trying to be brief; that only caused the problem. After reading this please go through the previous comment again; it may make some sense. Recipe was only mash alias Kanji.
4. The point you mentioned is the one which I was trying to drive in all the time. By reducing Starch intake anybody can maintain BS even in non diabetic range but it will escalate the moment Starch/Sugar is taken. My PPBS 119 (2hr) is with 3 rice based Appam, one cup of Kadala curry and a Coffee with milk & Sugar and simply sitting all through.
You are right; all t2d will have high PPBS with Starch/Sweet intake. I am cured and that is why my PPBS does not follow our Chandrayaan.
IT IS BECSUSE PEOPLE DOES NOT WANT TO GET CURED OF DIABETES THAT THEY ARE NOT GETTING CURED. THERE IS NO OTHER REASON. I DO NOT THINK THAT OUR SAGES ARE WRONG.
ShooterGeorge
Thank you sir.
So what would be your daily intake of carbs ?
Our sages / ayurveda never said that D can be cured as far as i know. They said the one who is diagnosed to be having D should dig a well. That's heavy exercise.
But i'm happy that you are cured. If there had been organized medical sector / practice your case study would have given lots of insight about your D cure. But alas ! The benefit you have obtained nobody else would probably get.
suramo I really don't know if they had any tests or facility to differentiate between T1 and T2 in olden times....
Our sages and ayurveda says there are more than 20 types of diabetes.. and few of them are Sadhya=curable
cure
You are right. They had no facility but they found out 20 types. Well bro D can be primary and secondary. Primary means defective glucose metabolism - 1 &2.
Secondary means secondary to some other diseases which can cause hyperglycemia despite healthy and normal pancreatic beta cell function as in gigantism - excessive growth hormone output and cortisol secreting adrenal gland tumors. There may be many other conditions which can cause secondary D. Obesity is typical example of secondary D which can be cured by losing weight.
Hi @suramo,
I was out of town & had no net access; hence this delay in responding.
I don't weigh or measure food intake in general; mostly go by thumb rule or feel. I never stay hungry; neither do starve. For 5-6 years I was eeka-bhuktham nearly two decades ago.
My meal is typical Kerala-Christian style. Staple part is mostly Rice based.
I don't remember to have said about sages telling that Diabetes is curable. What I said was the English approximation of a Sanskrit sloka. It was like this: "taking Long Wheat is good for those who lose sugar through urine".
It is me who practiced it as a therapy and established that LW cured my Diabetes.
I brought in the word Sages because the original sloka is in Sanskrit and I approximated the author of an ancient Sanskrit book to a sage.
Moreover I wonder how one can ascertain that no such a thing was ever told or written, without reading all books written in Sanskrit from time immemorial.
As far as my limited awareness goes, to state that something exists or existed, one need see or have just ONE specimen. To state the opposite, one has to examine everything of its kind throughout the ages world over and ensure the fact.
I said about its existence because a learned and trustworthy person recited it to me.
The fact that one has not seen something does not mean that it never existed.
It is correct that "digging wells" may imply extremely strenuous exercise because today's means of exercises would not have been available then.
ShooterGeorge
Nice to see you again.
"eeka-bhuktham " what is that ?
Well i agree with you that "
The fact that one has not seen something does not mean that it never existed."
I tried you recipe lwmdr just a few days back in dinner. With lots of green vegetables in it.made with Ghee and added evoo liberally onto it as a dressing. Took less wheat than recommended 1g/kg body weight. And my fbs which used to remain in the range of 130 was 158 next day. Too scary and unacceptable. my body responded adversely. So one has to find out from many options an option suitable to him/ her.
Ek=one...Bhuktam= feeding...
form of intermittent fasting...
here is what scripture says about long wheat...
here what Sage Sushruta says about long wheat...
Here Nandimukhi wheat means long wheat...
ahsutrasthana.blogspot.in/2...
वृष्यः शीतो गुरुः स्निग्धो जीवनो वातपित्तहा
सन्धानकारी मधुरो गोधूमः स्थैर्यकृत् सरः
पथ्या नन्दीमुखी शीता कषायमधुरा लघुः
Wheat is
1. Vrushya – natural aphrodisiac
2.Sheeta – cold
3.Guru (Heavy to digest)
4.Snigdha – unctuous, oily
5.Jivaniya – enlivening
6.Vatapittaha – balances Vata and Pitta
7.Sandhanakari – heals fractures and wounds
8. Madhura (sweet)
9.Sthairyakrut – increases body stability
10.Sara – promotes bowel movements
11.Pathya – can be had on daily basis
· Nandimukhi variety of wheat is good for health.
It is
a)Sheeta – cold
b)Kashaya (astringent)
c)Madhura (sweet)
d)And Laghu (light to digest)
cure
Gm gurudev.
Good information but it raised my fbs. May be i'd try one more time. If i use jowar - millet instead of wheat my bs remains under reasonable control. Is this effect of wheat on my bs due to gluten ? A protein.
Really don't know.... but my experience is if i eat normal wheat roti...my bs goes above 140 and with long wheat roti...it remains below 130
cure
Good observation but the bs level also depends on the total calories taken. Try a few times with other items remaining the same and in the same quantity. Still it may give a variation because our body responses are not the same every time.
well..yes... but guess what?? I found that even Tomato spikes....
some days back I was talking to shrisamarth on this issue... and he said onion go more carbs than Tomato... but Tomato spikes more than onion..
What could be the reasn???
GMO??
cure
I'm not sure if gmo should be the cause but the form in which you take food is more important. A tomato soup will spike more than you eat raw tomato. Carrot juice will spike more. Cooking converts complex carbs into simple carbs.
I too have observed it and i have stopped taking homemade tomato soup - sugarless.
Onions and tomatoes both have high amount of carbs. If tomatoes are unripe or semiripe they have lower gi gl.
I think gmo just fights out the infection without pesticides. We have to look into if gmo changes nutritional values.
Hi @ suramo,
When you prescribe a 150mg tab to some patient and if she/he take only 75mg, what will be the result?
If you plant some chilly seeds and coconuts in a garden and nurture them, what will you see after an year?
Long Wheat and chemical/herbal drugs are not alike.
Unless one follow correct dosages, no point to discuss
ShooterGeorge
😁😁😁😁😁.
If the patient doesn't take correct dosage the drug will be ineffective. A drug to be effective has to attain certain concentration in the blood and the dosage of a drug is decided accordingly.
I can't say about chilli and coconut but if one doesn't do what's required i.e. giving proper nourishment, water, sunlight etc they can't grow.
"Long Wheat and chemical/herbal drugs are not alike.
Unless one follow correct dosages, no point to discuss"
I would like to understand what you meant by that.😊😊😊
Hi @ suramo & @ cure,
When our forefathers identified stars & galaxies did they have any telescopes?
When they distinguished between planets and stars ...
When they found out the path, period of revolution, relative sizes of planets etc ...
When the roots of 10 medicinal herbs from the multitude of plants were identified and fixed as the ingredients along with other items as raw materials of DASAMUULAARISHTTA ....
what would have been the instruments, laboratories, technologies etc that they would have used!?
ShooterGeorge
They had sharp observation but since scientific understanding is possible we should follow science.
Their understanding is fine but there would have been many adverse effects also. For example giving quinine as concoction of cinchona bark and in a fixed dosage as tables or injection are two different methods. In the crude method an uncertain and higher dosage are possible. I would prefer tab or injection forms. Further the herbal preparations are difficult to prepare and ingest because of unacceptable unpalatable tastes. Uncertainty then was acceptable. Not now. Many would have died despite herbs. Deaths and complications are punishable in the present time.
Hi @ suramo,
Thank you for the response. I am trying to clarify:
1. Eeka is 1. Bhuktham is one who has food intakes. Reference period being a day, eeka bhuktham means one who feeds only once daily. This means that things that require digestion be taken ONLY ONCE A DAY.
I chose noon as my feeding time. It has numerous advantages and almost no disadvantages.
2. You took less than required quantity of LW for less than required period; hence obviously will not get the progress I enjoyed. Flaw in admin is responsible for not getting the positive response; NOT either LWMDR nor YOUR BODY CONSTITUTION.
3. Now about chillie seed and coconut planting. Former will sprout in a few days, grow-blossom & bear fruits in weeks, ripen & dry and the plant itself die in months. Whereas coconut will take almost an year to begin sprouting, 4-5 years to flower, an year to ripen & decades for the plant to die!
In my opinion & experience response of standard drugs are analogues to chillie's life cycle (fast) whereas response of LWMDR is comparable to that of coconut (very slow). LWMDR requires biweeks to months for giving tangible positive response.
I had been telling time and again that those who control BS by avoiding starch/sweet intake will experience BS escalation as soon as they take starch/sugar. Hence LWMDR also will show BS increase INITIALLY, till LW gain grip.
I beg to differ with all the points at "They had sharp observation ... ...".
ShooterGeorge
So you say that i should try lwmdr a few times more despite my bs escalating bs values. Gd.
I'm also thinking eka bhuksham. But what do you take if hungry ?
suramo
First decide which one of the two you have to pursue. Then I will go to the details.
ShooterGeorge
😁😁😁What is that ? Sounding like Bush saying "those who are not with us are against us" !!!
I want to control my D and anything and everything that can help me I'm gonna try. If not me there are many who can be benefited. Please go ahead and tell us all. I'm really scared to find my bs skyrocketing after lwmdr. The recipe is an old age food. We in Gujarat call it "Khichado " . Ya. Different from our khichadi.😉😉
Sir I can try the combination. Let me explain . I'm following lchf concept but I can take lwmdr when take food. I'm also following IF. Also I have tried with jowar- millet in place of wheat and found my 1hr pp just 139. So it's not like one can follow just one concept .
@ suramo, I have composed a response to your reflections/concepts but somebody up somewhere who gets annoyed by some statements of fact have managed to disable pasting of offline-composed text. I consider this also as another episode of 'gorilla war' befitting to those who are in line with the words/approach of Mr President Trump you quoted recently.
@ cure,
I feel the reason could be that you are so terribly diabetic that even Tomato & Onion can spike your BS!!!
ShooterGeorge
Me too. It depends on how quickly one can clear sugar from blood. Rather i'd use words "you are poor at clearing sugar ". cure has already controlled his D. He is not a severely D at present but the basic defect remains.
@suramo I beg to disagree with the statement "@cure has already controlled his D".
What others see as D is not what I see as D. That is why this disagreement.
In my opinion what others see as D is the measure of BS beyond 'normal range'.
Is it not so?
ShooterGeorge
Can you please explain your views on D?
"In my opinion what others see as D is the measure of BS beyond 'normal range'.
Is it not so?" Please elaborate your statement.
@suramo,
I shall elaborate my statement. Before that please clarify whether my appraisal of the viewpoint of others on D is right or not. If my appraisal is wrong, there ends the mstter. Let us go step by step.
I don't insist that I am right. But until someone convince me logically/factually, there is no reason why I cannot or shouldn't!
Now-a-days I compose a response with the fear/hope that it will be my last one here.
Eager to hear...
ShooterGeorge you are very respectable member... as far as I know never insulted any one... why you feel scared???
You may be having difference of opinions with some one... but it is some other view point...nothing wrong in your or others view point...
forum is for all and to have more discussion and seek help from each other...
Well said,Admin!
ShooterGeorge
I agree with cure . I'm not here to give verdict. Please go ahead and explain your viewpoints.
"What others see as D is not what I see as D. That is why this disagreement". Please elaborate and please don't you ever feel "Now-a-days I compose a response with the fear/hope that it will be my last one here"
Hi @suramo,
Hoping to be able to paste offline text here, I attempt.
Insulin Resistance, one of the triggers and sustainers of Diabetes ==
Insulin is a hormone produced by the beta cells of gland Pancreas. Initially it is attached to C-peptide as "Siamese twins" and gets detached on maturing in Blood. Half life period of endogenous Insulin is estimated to be 5 minutes (whereas that of C-peptide is 30 min). It is Insulin that helps Glucose molecules enter cells from Blood easily and normslise the Blood Glucose level.
When the quantum of Glucose received by blood and Cells is more than what is needed to meet the immediate energy requirements, the excess quantity is stored as Glycogen in Liver and further as Fat at other parts of the body.
When the storage spaces overflow, cells find it difficult to receive Glucose at the prevailing rate and signal the Insulin receptors to reduce their sensitivity. This is known as '''Insulin resistance (IR)'''.
IR in turn reduces Glucose (G) absorption/removal from Blood (B). In my opinion this phenomenon is Diabetes.
This, reduced absorption of G from B, leads to increased BG levels and a host of subsequent problems generally known as Diabetic complications.
Misinterpreting the increased levels of BG (alias Blood Sugar - BS) being caused by shortage of Insulin, body intelligence signals Pancreas to enhance production of Insulin. This may give a temporary relief but leads to higher levels of Insulin & Glucose in Blood as the IR still prevails.
Congratulation sir.... reports are perfectttttttttttttttttt...
Thank you @cure.
And you have nailed it Sir.......I have completed 9 months now on long wheat chaptti....still 27 months to go.....
I am following long wheat as well as LCHF....
All the best. Please go ahead. Combining LCHF with THE OTHER may adversely affect the dosage and hence its effectiveness. 9 months is a sufficiently long duration to see/show definite positive change. If you are not seeing it, I don't think there is any reason to continue. If a gist of the test results were available, the effectiveness/ineffectiveness would have been visible & clear.
Wish you a speedy cure.
ShooterGeorge sir here is my progress report..
ShooterGeorge, good for you! May you stay in good health!
Thank you @suryakaizen.
you have silenced critics of your diet.congratulations
Thank you @bhanjois72. I don't want to silence anybody. I am not in a quarrel. I always try to make people talk.
@Bhanjois72
we are all learning here and nobody ever criticized his diet. Everyone here had own experience and understanding. Good we have found another tool to fight D.
