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Now, anyone familiar with my posts will be aware of my scepticism over the miracle properties of long wheat as a cure for type 2 diabetes. For those not aware; I think it utter nonsense with no scientific basis whatsoever.

However, I could be wrong, so we need to do a little research.

So, for the sake of argument let’s assume you’re attracted to the notion, but want to make sure you’re not going to embark on an expensive journey that will have no end.

So how do you go about it? How do you convince yourself that by eating long wheat you will have CURED your diabetes? (Note - the operative word here is CURED, for if your blood sugar is does not fall within normal parameters after introducing long wheat to your diet, then you are NOT cured).

Well, firstly you have to find a source of long wheat that you are absolutely CERTAIN is long wheat. Next you purchase, say, a week's worth. You then decide on a day that you will start the regime. Then for the next three days (seven would be more realistic if you can stick it) you will eat NOTHING else but prepared long wheat and water whilst constantly monitoring your blood glucose. It will be boring, but hey, we're talking about a CURE here for a disease that is truly horrible, and it won’t kill you. This is to eliminate any bias and confounding variables that mean you can’t tease out the data.

After the three days if long wheat is a CURE, then your blood sugar will be entirely normal and you will have possibly achieved a CURE and you will be able to reintroduce the rice, potatoes, chapatis and candies etc that made you T2 in the first place. Your blood sugar will STILL be normal, for you are CURED, right? You publish your results here along with your peers’ who have decided to join you.

You will be cured or not.

If you are cured then I will have to re-evaluate my position, which I will cheerfully do, then invite you to share your results within the scientific community and various worldwide diabetes associations who, likewise will be astonished, and there will then be a series of gold standard double blind tests to eliminate the anecdotal evidence. The world of T2 diabetics will fall at your feet and Monsanto shares will plummet!

Bear in mind that offering long wheat as a cure for T2 is an extraordinary claim; and extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs!

So there it is guys, this is your challenge which I invite you to participate in. There are enough believers here to step up to the plate, but if you don’t then you and they are living in a fool's paradise being led by fools or people with an agenda other than saving the world that involves a certain self aggrandisement.

How many will participate? I will ask that question at a later date.

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Prove it!

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Well known members Mike Pollard ( Started discussion )/ Anup / ShooterGeorge

may please share how long wheat is differ from other wheat available in the market. What is the specialty of Long wheat How it reduces the blood sugar in the body either insulin production or helps to insulin resistance

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I repeat:

A.

1. Each species is unique & has its own specialities. So also long wheat.

2. It is uniquely different from other wheats & that is why it is known by different name and has different shape, size, colour & taste.

3. All seeds contsin Starch to assist sprouting &/or initial growth of seedling.

4. Extent of Starch content differ from species to species.

5. NO SEED/GRAIN CONTAINS 100% STARCH.

6. IT IS THE SET OF CONTENTS OTHER THAN STARCH THAT MAKES EACH SPECIES OF SEED/GRAIN UNIQUELY DIFFERENT FROM THE REST.

B.

1. The specialities of Long Wheat as I know are more than one.

2. LW is a natural species; Common (or bread) Wheat is improved for higher agricultural yield.

3. My maternal uncle (Dr. J. V. Thachil, who was an Ayurveda physician) once told "eating LW is good for those who suffer from draining of Sugar through urine".

This was during the 1970's. It was in response to my query on the subject of Diabetes & Wheat diet.

He recited a Sanskrit sloka first & then translated it to me.

4. The Sloka did not tell any thing about Starch content, fiber content, protine, bla bla bla ...

5. When my Cardiologist prescribed Amaryl during 2006 (on seeing FBS 118 & PPBS 198) I decided to TRY LONG WHEATdiet. Rest many know now.

C.

1. Nobody has made any effort to find out how LW regulates BS in diabetics & finally cures Diabetes.

2. I am not diabetic any more & hence can not take it up.

3. If anybody who is diabetic now is ready to follow my guidelines verbatim we can find out the answer to your question. Me too wish to know it :)

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cureAdministrator in reply to ShooterGeorge

 FBS 118 & PPBS 198 ....Hmmmm is it diabetic or pre diabetic????

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ShooterGeorge in reply to cure

What is your learned opinion?

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MikePollard

Prove it!

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DCVM

Mr MikePollard has made his position sufficiently clear. However, it appears that he has not read Shooter George's 'journey of cure' which took not "3, 7, 10 or 20 days", but full three years for the cure to materialise. Nonetheless, since Shooter George has given all the details and proofs, we do not find any reason to doubt his claims. Those not believing, or interested in throwing or accepting challenges, should first read all the details provided by Shooter George in the links indicated by him.

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ShooterGeorge in reply to DCVM

Persons who are really asleep only can be awaken; those who are awake & pretent to be asleep can not be.

thank you @DCVM for the mature & realistic response. :)

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DCVM in reply to ShooterGeorge

My pleasure, Sir !!

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akkida in reply to ShooterGeorge

George sir,I am following your posting for quite some time and following your instructions on (LW) regimen since last one year.

On this I am getting some positive results and some adverse effect also.

I,just would like to discuss something personal if I have your Telephone/Mobile No. On my email address or in this Forum.

It is little serious to discuss my Diabetic treatmen as well as some other related complications on which I will be very comfortable to explain on phone other than writing about the problems and afterwards get reply on the Forum.

Honestly speaking sir, I am not good in operating Computer.Considering my drawbacks,Hope,I will get a positive response from your end.

Thanks.

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ShooterGeorge in reply to akkida

Glad to know that you are trying LWMDR. I have not come across any reporting/feedback from you earlier. This feedback also does not contain any specific detail about illness as well as test results.

Earlier many members have collected my number & ID. None of them are in touch with me. Many of them were discussing "bullshit" class of matters; I suspect that they were doing so deliberately with ulterior motive of wasting my time & money as well as distracting me from fruitful interaction with other genuine patients.

That is why I decided to make those who ask for my number/ID to spend some money for some good cause.

Hence if you have some very serious/important/personal matters to be discussed in person, you may donate some amount not less than Rs. 500/- to some registered charitable organisation and publish their printed receipt having serial number, signature and seal here first.

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akkida in reply to DCVM

I fully agreed with the view of DCVM.I'm on LW regimen since last one year and I am getting some positive result.However,not able to follow it meticulously due to non availibity of Long Wheat in Mumbai.I will be highly obliged if you can post us some place from where we can easily procure this stuff.Right now I am getting it from Pune through one of my contacts.

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Jayam

Hi mam I will do, please advise, how to follow.

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ShooterGeorge in reply to Jayam

Hi @Jayam,

This link appropedia.org/Diabetes_mel... will give you the details to follow Long Wgeat Mash Diet Regimen (LWMDR), if that was what you were looking for.

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Jayam in reply to ShooterGeorge

In Mumbai, I am not able to find long wheat, if I ask for long wheat they are showing barley and it's only jau wheat. Can you please tell me where I will I find long wheat in Mumbai.

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tejkumar in reply to Jayam

if U Mumbai-based, if any inclination at making acquaintance, pls write to me at: lalit.jhaveri@gmail.com; hv some issue to discuss; nothing of much importance or relevance in forum, my apologies to all;

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I have kept Long wheat as a part of LCHF. Its been for about a year and a half. Geoge claims that he was cured after 2 years. I will check after few months. I am quite healthy. The lipid profile test I did last week is very good.

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ShooterGeorge in reply to Aiyaraj

I took 3 years.

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What is the difference beyween wheat and long wheat and also share carb protein abd fat.Wetherlong wheat is organic or not.How it reduced the blood sugar By consuming long wheat it helps to produce the insuli. How it works

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If somebody ask "what is the difference between "Dopi rice" and "Basmati rice" what will be the reply?

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There is no fault if any person asking the difference between Dopi rice Basmati rice or brown rice. recently some money minded business men has started to sell the diabetic rice. So the person must learn what it is wethere it is used or help for diabetic person and next decide to consume it or not .

Similarly in this forum so much of persons used LW Diet plan and LCHF diet plan and also ADA WHO MAYO and other guidelines .

So no one cannot think we are only superior and others or inferior.

Any doubts araises every member of the blog is pointed out and asking clarification is not fault.

Similarly I am asking what is the difference between Long Wheat and ordinary Wheat and its nutritient content . How much carb protein and fat both content in 100 gm.

If carb content is more it may not help to diabetic if fiber content is more it may something help.

ForLong Wheat so much members have used and some may benefited by using this. So it is good that experts in Long Wheat may share details the carb protein and fat and fiber content in this and shows how it is different from other wheat Because Long wheat is Rs 120 /kg as other wheat may 25-30 approximately .

So expert members who used Long wheat may share in detail the nutrition content and how it helps diabetic to control Blood sugar.

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I am not an expert on nutrition or biochemistry. What I do here is sharing my experience with Long Wheat diet while I was diabetic and what I understood about those afterwards for the benefit of my suffering fellow human beings. 

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 personally  I am not criticized or hates either individually or any diet system  either  Long wheat mas diet plan or LCHF or the medical guidelines  issued by FDA ADA  WHO or mayeo

  Every system has its Pros and cons. Whatever the reason some system may not suitable to  some persons.  It is the nature by birth and  system of consuming in the daily by the family.

  So  by using Long Wheat Mash diet it may be  good to some of them they may followed  if some of them not interest it is their will and wish .  For myself I want to used any unknown consumption of food   first I want to seen the nutritious fact it contain.  Mainly carbohydrates  protein and fat and afterwards  content sodium.

  Carbohydrate is good for  human body particularly in  south India Rice  and ragi jowar  their main food recently some more than 200 years the Wheat supplied from  USA and then here also started Wheat  by cooked  or  roti or chapati items Afterwards it enter to south India also  now most of houses  at least in night they consume Wheat by the preparation of Chapati.

 Mostly in south India  for sickness peoples and who not digested hard food  easily due to heavy sickness and bed ridden then  they used liquid form of rice  as  GANJI and  also used Rava Ganji  ( Rava name may be SUUJI it may also broken wheat ?

    In this situation  I am not against any food

  I am asking  in this forum   several discussions  the  nutrition of Long Wheat No members may   not shared the information.

 Firstly  we must know the carb content in the long Wheat  And next to decide how it is different from ordinary  wheat  Because Long Wheat is costly as more than 120 Rs /kg comparing to ordinary  wheat 20-30 Rs

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I did not mean that doubts should not be raised. Neither do I consider myself as superior; I don't know about others.

By mentioning Basmathy & Dopi rices what I meant is that the difference between Long Wheat & Common Wheat also be analogues.

In case of those rices, I wonder whether there is any tangible difference between those as far as measurable contents or nutrition factors are concerned. I feel, the difference is a matter of taste/flavour rather than nutrition factors.

As far as the ability of LW in curing Diabetes is concerned,  I am of the opinion that it may not be the extent of fiber &starch content that are responsible. If it were so, many diabetics who follow fiberous &/or low carb diet should have been cured much earlier and would have been in a position to be in NORMAL DIET & TO UNDERGO OGTT & GET 2HR BS WITH 75gm Glucose intake well below 140mg/dl like me.

The Sanskrit sloga telling about LW & Sugar expulsion through urine must be millenniums  old. Usage of Common Wheat in South Indian diet is probably not older than a few decades/centuries.

Diabetes cannot be cured,but can be controlled until and unless you reverse back to the stage which made you diabetic. No type of diet ( long wheat,lchf,balance etc.etc.) can eliminate diabetes completely form a person body. Moreover you cannot be stick to particular type of diet always. until&unless a person is confined to cave,

All the claims made either by lchf etc. are nonsense and are not practicably.

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I presume that you might have not seen my posts/comments here or the online article at the appropedia.org web site.

You can do it by completely isolating form society,you have to attend marriages,religious occasions, last prayers who have left this world,moreover this is polerised society and theirs are different customs in different religions,where you cannot get a particular type of diet

Keep in mind man is social animal.

Balance diet is available every where, whether in marriages,religious choruses etc.etc. In our particular part there is no arrangement of high fat diet in marriages,religions chores,only balance diet,that is pure vegetarian,hence concept of always high fat diet is not possible.

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"you cannot get boiled LW mash in functions"

:D

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LWMDR does not insist on LWMD 3×365 for decades.

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Would you mind disclosing what is the significance of 15 years?

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ShooterGeorge

NOT BARLEY.

All details including precautions are given in an online article, link of which is given just abive this.

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:)

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It is sad that some learned ones are misquoting my words. I said 3 years & they say 3 days. EVEN COMMON COLD TAKES 7 DAYS, HOW CAN ANYBODY EXPECT DIABETES TO BE CURED IN THREE DAYS?

I have not written about taking only LWM & water. What is written is to just swap starchy food with LWM, most others except fruits/sweets remaining unaltered.

How can someone twist things to such extents?

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MikePollard in reply to ShooterGeorge

Lets try three months George, would that be fair?

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ShooterGeorge in reply to MikePollard

I do not think that we are in a business to bargain like this.

In three months one may succeed in bringing & maintaining BS to/in normal range. Cure may be still away.

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Please let us be more respectful and courteous to each other. Everyone in this forum is trying to help one another to cope with their condition. It is one's choice to accept something and reject the other, or accept both or reject both. if that being the case, lets not slander each other. Honestly, I am trying to enjoy the benefits of both theory, but at the same time rejecting some part of both.

For example, my Trig in Jan 2016 was 127, but yesterday, March 2016, it has gone up to 200. Others are stable as before. Since Jan, I started including more of HF ( VCO, coconut) in my diet. So, I have to work around my diet now, adjust it, and try to get the best of both the diets. thank you all for all your support and comments to stay positive and healthy. Hope I did not offend anyone.

Any discussion started to be in friendly manner and to be improve and share the knowledge each other and good tips to be followed. But here any discussion was npt fruotful and not concluded with friendly discussion. This also my so much discussion. At least now any member may inform what is the difference between wheat and long wheat and also nutritional facts whether L W produce the onsulin in the body

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Two weeks have elapsed after posting the questions by another member. I could not see any response from anybody. Hence I share whatever little I know.

A.

1. Each species is unique & has its own specialities. So also long wheat.

2. It is uniquely different from other wheats & that is why it is known . Each species is unique & has its own specialities. So also long wheat.

2. It is uniquely different from other wheats & that is why it is known by different name and has different shape, size, colour & taste.

3. All seeds contsin Starch to assist sprouting &/or initial growth of seedling.

4. Extent of Starch content differ from species to species.

5. NO SEED/GRAIN CONTAINS 100% STARCH.

6. IT IS THE SET OF CONTENTS OTHER THAN STARCH THAT MAKES EACH SPECIES OF SEED/GRAIN UNIQUELY DIFFERENT FROM THE REST.

B.

1. The specialities of Long Wheat as I know are more than one.

2. LW is a natural species; Common (or bread) Wheat is improved for higher agricultural yield.

3. My maternal uncle (Dr. J. V. Thachil, who was an Ayurveda physician) once told "eating LW is good for those who suffer from draining of Sugar through urine".

This was during the 1970's. It was in response to my query on the subject of Diabetes & Wheat diet.

He recited a Sanskrit sloka first & then translated it to me.

4. The Sloka did not tell any thing about Starch content, fiber content, protine, bla bla bla ...

5. When my Cardiologist prescribed Amaryl during 2006 (on seeing FBS 

C.

1. Nobody has made any effort to find out how LW regulates BS in diabetics & finally cures Diabetes.

2. I am not diabetic any more & hence can not take it up.

3. If anybody who is diabetic now is ready to follow my guidelines verbatim we can find out the answer to your question. Me too wish to know it :) 

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Thank you for the clarification. The conclusion of that paper did not mention about the positive effect of Khapli on blood sugsr control; more over it said that Khapli does not have any effect on BS control. Even the great member who referred that paper here might not have noticed the camouflaged facts that I uncovered after 15 years of publication of the report. Under this scenario how can any one expect diabetics to follow LW diet & get benefitted.

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ShooterGeorge

It appears that it is worth reading the paper you referred here, once again.

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ShooterGeorge

Those who follow LWMDR should not eat any fruit. Fruits that are not sweet may be safe for diabetic patients.

The proverb "an apple a day keeps the doctor away" is not for diabetics. It is good for those who follow dry diet that cause constipation.

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:)

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ShooterGeorge

Do you think that six years is a short period in this scenario?

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There is a paper on CGM of healthy individuals which says that more than 60% of subjects showed BS >140 and 1.8% showed >200. I generally do not swallow the words of others without verification.

There are huge no. of members used Long wheat as daily diet for diabetic control . Any body have not known the carb protein and fiber content in Long Wheat For diabetic minerals like zinc chromium magnesium is also helps So can any found is it content zinc and chromium .

further any body may clarify all you are consumed only Long Wheat it helps to cure or control the diabetic or in additional what food you consumed and how much of % of Long wheat and other food you consumed and any etc medicines used? if these figures found then if it proves Long wheat has major part in curing diabetes.

then all most all members will follow the Long Wheat

As best of my knowledge I am not known all above information shared by Long wheat introduced by Shooter George in this forum

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MikePollard in reply to

Just show me the data and maybe we can get somewhere.

The above is PURE ANECDOTE!

in reply to MikePollard

Shooter George may be only a person to clarify all things and doubts raised by me and aks 666 and Mike pollard

The Long Wheat diet introduced by shooter george in this forum and so much members also used this and shares that have good numbers but any further full diet may not seen in any discussion from them .

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ShooterGeorge

Word is as significant as act.

Words that come indicate the thoughts, deeds & attitude of that individual.

One who does something regularly will not feel that there is something wrong in it even if it is bad, wrong or illegal.

There will be some key words related to the profession or business one is in & those words will come out from them frequently. It will act as their signature.

A learned member (obviously not me as I am of Tom Dick & Harry Class) only referred the Dharwar study here because the conclusion suited his/her liking & stated that after years long research only the paper was located!!!

If someone can not appreciate the logic behind allowing randomness in scientific study, what am I to say?

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MikePollard

I agree. George may be in error, but I too do not believe he is wicked. I do think however that his need for ego massage outweighs his critical faculties. 

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ShooterGeorge

Learning/knowing science and inculcating/having scientific temper are not the same. Either of this need not necessarily imply the other.

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The challenge here is to eat nothing other than prepared Long Wheat and water for 3 days to get a cure. I wonder how realistic is this and is this the way medicines are proven by science/scientists? This may be the reason why twothirds of new medicines are off the shelf! 

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 :-) 

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Even though the words "six years" and "short duration" were not mentioned, what I understood from  the words  

"What I meant was that maybe the body tolerated carbs in a somewhat better way for some time but not for a prolonged period. Not a cure by any means"

is that.

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I said & am saying cured because I got negative results for FBS, 2HR PPBS, HbA1c & OGTT; more over my Serum Insulin result also was normal.

I am telling about cure not based on what I did/ate but based on on the recognised test results after the regimen.

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The "200mg/dl" is not my OGTT result; it is INTERMEDIATE PEAK VALUE at 1hr. My OGTT result is well below 140.

 No food  no drugs either allopathy or homeopathy or Ayurveda cannot cure the diabetes

  systamatic life style  and strict diet alone control the diabetes until  strict maintained .  When or anytime ifu loose the strict diet then it increased the blood sugar.  This is mostly all diabetic peoples noticed by cheating any sweets or heavy meals.

  i may not against  Long Wheat diet  if it is also in limit quantity with other food or if you  leave other foods like rice ragi jowar then you may use Long Wheat. 

 I may not sure that all grains have more carbs so  I think this is also more carb but it maybe less carb comparing toordinary wheat like other rice and brown rice.

  further we may not known how to use it by using roti  or chapati or cooked  like rice ?

  So I may not criticised this diet is not good  but only  Long wheat the blood sugar may not cure without proper strict diet and life style.

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I  do not feel bad or disheartened when people criticise/ridicule/reject my experience because

Albert Einstein has said "if at first the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it".

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ShooterGeorge

Within 3 months of LWMDR my FBS & PPBS came to normal range. I did not start telling that my diabetes is cured or will be cured. Instead I tested by taking sugar & fruits. Please read the section titled "Pitfalls" in my Appropedia article to see the complete narration. 

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Are any of those members who argue against Long Wheat & LWMDR diabetic now?

I am glad that experts have began recognising my LWMDR & cure experience at least as anecdotal.

Proverb says "drops of water make the ocean". Each drop contribute to it. A DROP OF WATER IS THE BEGINNING OF A RIVER/OCEAN.

UNTIL SOMEONE TAKE UP AN UNBIASED SCIENTIFIC STUDY ABOUT LWMDR AND BIOCHEMICAL COMPONENTS OF LONG WHEAT, BOTH WILL REMAIN 'DRUM ON THE ROAD SIDE'.

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I am talking based on lab reports. I don't understand where is the question of "Faith" and "Speculation" in it.

I am not diabetic now and hence am not in a position to help in this regard.

Why not somebody who is diabetic and is on LWMDR send some sample to be tested in a lab of his/her choice to clarify his/her theory of artificial deprivation. This may help the community segragate things.

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@aks666..You are funny...on popularity of  topics :D...you are now awarded with title  "Joker of the forum!!!" :D

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Hidden ...no comments for hero or villain...else this post will hit double century....will become super duper hit post :) :)Dont want to make this health related serious forum like facebook :) :)

By the way. becoming joker is much more difficult than hero or villain , as it needs good sense of humor :) :D

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agree...I requested admin for a chat/ group chat option ...let's c how it goes ...chats which can be stored on interested person's hard drive ....not on forums drive...save a lot of precious disk space

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 Chat if interested peoples may be do it this is their personnel issue .  But this is public group the discussion started for every members of this forum  So any thing discussion  in this forum by posting another comment is   justified  eveyones opinion.

 i am asking the nutritional value for Long Wheat carb protein fat and minerals vitamins and fiber  Why   long wheat  purchased and user  may not post it. W ether you are not known   or not mentioned in Long Wheat packet or you may purchased it  in loose quantity ?

  What is the necessity one has  started discussion any opposite it may produced and post their  comment by supporting with comment .At least now also   share the nutritionalvalue of long Wheat    Generaly wheat ghas Rs30/ kg  but long Wheat is Rs 120 or more.

   So most peoples may not possible to purchase this by given 4 times higher rate

 

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karch

whoever is interested in chatting they can chat with each other on each other's permission ...at least rest of the people wont see their discussion and get distracted ...If anyone is not interested in chatting ...keep oneself offline  or away or dnd (like skype...no one can ping him on this setting) and ping some one on his/her will :)... there can be several options and chat services are now much evolved than before  :) :)

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karch

Yes...may be ...if some people are interested of getting fame through forum...they will definitely would use global chat box :) ...not private chats box :D 

By seen  up to comments posted it was learn t that so many members  have some benefit  from LW and LWMDR diet system   I am already  inform that I am not  against LW and LWMDR diet system and also any other systems

  But somuch comments posted in this discussion so much  persons have followed  this sytem of diet  but   I am not seenany one of the member may not posted its nutritional content like carb protein fat fiber minerals and vitamins.

  I   think no members may not purchased    packet of  Long Wheat  ?  Mostly any product packed purchased by the stores or malls in the cover itself they informed the nutritional content .

 Also by google search  I may not  found  Long wheat

  Any member well known person  and followed  Long wheat  and purchased may please share  at least now also. Any matter about long wheat if any one found in google may please share  the link and posted here.

  Thisis the good discussion  it happens more than 100 comments  and somany members also interested  and follow this system  if completely full details obtained

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see ...we are sort of chatting :) :)isn't it? world is discussing about long wheat and this sub thread has different kind of discussion going on ;)  :) just scroll up  and

down ....thats why i said get chatting implemented for this forum :)

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Intention of this response is to neither support or dismay either LCHF or LMDR,

First I would like to thank both Mr.George and Anup + Mike for passing on the knowledge to so many people selflessly without expecting anything which is beyond much more than any appreciation.

Secondly people have benefited more form both LCHF and LWMDR , i am on LWMDR since 20 days i am eating stomach full with numbers within range whihc never used to do before.

LCHF surely has scientific explanation why it works and might be better than LWMDR also but my problem with this is that i have LDL level high and cannot pursue on it out of fear.

Lets go hand in hand supporting and correctly each other wihtut mud slinging , we are different only in methods we follow other than that we are all sons and daugthers of same dreaded disease called diabetes.

Finally in any community there will allways be groups that are either pro or con which is allways healthy to debate and discuss and refine our methods.

AND the cure part: I didn't choose LWMDR for cure, mainly i choose it for my convenience in following it, if it cures then it is bonus otherwise if it can keep my numbers in control that is more tan enough

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ShooterGeorge in reply to sati006

Thamk you @sati006 for sharing your experience & opinion.

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I do concur that Long wheat has high number of Carbs, Why do you just stick to Carb counting, why dont you also think of other componenets in Long Wheat which might be helping the sugar sensitivity?, for example i have tired cinnamon before , even with full load of rice,  one spoon of cinammon kept sugars to nromal level, but it has lot of couramin which will affect liver hence i stopped.

If your argument is only on CURE then i concur i also dont belive there can be cure just by eating something without any scientific reaosns but atleast it has kept my sugar levle down

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sati006  I like that you have followed both  LW and LCHF diet plan

  I think you have known everything in Long wheat

  1 Can you   share the carb protein and  fat  in long Wheat ?

2  Are you used long wheat for  roti or chapati only  or it may also cooked ( Like cooked rice ) with samba r curd etc.

  3 What is blood sugar report recently tested FBS PPBS  and HBA!C

4 Can you test lipid profiles before using  LW diet system 

5  What  are the other food consumed by your self  except long wheat

6   Carbohydrate is  also good for  human person  but  for diabetic person  it must be consumed some lower quantity     since it digest immediately in blood and  BS spikes immediately 

7  I am not against like yourself either LW   or LCHF diet system but I am think  weather it is good for my health and it may be adjusted  our body.

8 What isthe cost of  Long wheat youare purchased Long wheat  In the pocket of long wheat   nutritional content may be printed or not

  I am also favorable in Long wheat  So please share the above details and how it reduce the BS or cure the diabets

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ShooterGeorge in reply to

Very good questions. Let things get clarified for the benefit of society. Let the truth come out.

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ShooterGeorge in reply to sati006

Positive experience - so far so good. To find out the scientific reasons someone have to carry out a scientific study.

No ancient ayurvedic prescriptions have given scientific reasons behind it. IT IS FOR THE MIDERN SCIENCE & SCIENTIFIC COMMUNTY TO FIND IT OUT.

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sati006

You could buy it if you really want topursue it, It is to grouse for me to do and rather hear that too,

NEitehr i am an hard core supporter of LWMDR nor a hater of LCHF, just got benifitted by LWMDR rather agined 1 kg after i started

I still respect you for sharing the LCHF with many people but  i didnt like the nature of demeaning everything else..

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ShooterGeorge

There is a scientific CGM study report. All studied subjects were HEALTHY NON-DIABETICS. 60% OF THEM SHOWED BS ABOVE 140 AND 8 OF THEM ABOVE 200. Hope all learned members would have seen that report but keeping mum as the findings are not suiting their liking.

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ShooterGeorge

There is a scientific CGM study report. All studied subjects were HEALTHY NON-DIABETICS. 60% OF THEM SHOWED BS ABOVE 140 AND 8 OF THEM ABOVE 200. Hope all learned members would have seen that report but keeping mum as the findings are not suiting their liking.

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ShooterGeorge

There is a scientific CGM study report. All studied subjects were HEALTHY NON-DIABETICS. 60% OF THEM SHOWED BS ABOVE 140 AND 8 OF THEM ABOVE 200. Hope all learned members would have seen that report but keeping mum as the findings are not suiting their liking.

I talk based on lab reports & do not understand how the question of belief or opinion arise. Repeating same statement even a million times will not make it truth. Otherwise our mother earth would have become a FLAT DISC LONG LONG AGO.

I use present/past tense which means it is not a speculation/prediction. Statements in FUTURE TENSE are!

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ShooterGeorge

Why not some who are on LWMDR extend a helping hand by sending samples to such earnest students of science.

This is the drawback of our society; nobody is generous enough to help others with even the things they discard!

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ShooterGeorge

Yes, you are right.

Stil more than 150 comments losted no one members who followed LW LmMDR system  have not knowb nutrtion in LW If they gicen 200 g.s  Sweet Powder and say it cures  diabetes they may consume without  any quiery

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ShooterGeorge

m.care.diabetesjournals.org... 

This link will show anyone that paper.

Mine is not just claim of cure but is a fact. Mine is not a speculation like some others do.

It is those members who oppose me/LWMDR bring scientific evidence in support of my arguments to me through this forum. My heartfelt thanks to all of them.

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ShooterGeorge

Please read the paper on Continuous Glucose Monitoring  & ask same question to the authors or publishers of it.

Link is excluded as it is included in another response here today and also because of the restriction imposed here.

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ShooterGeorge

I pity this understanding of starving. I was not knowing that eating full-stomach thrice daily is STARVING!!!

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ShooterGeorge

The simple reason why some people are not getting the benefits of LWMDR is thst they do not take the specified/required quantity of LWM daily. Same is the case with @pragyac also, as ststed above.

And they attribute the lack of effectiveness to LWMDR instead of themselves.

If one follow LWMDR SPECIFICATIONS no one will feel hungry in between the three daily-meals. You said, " I ate only  a small amount of LW for breakfast and dinner ... ...". Hence feeling hungry in between & soon after one hour is OBVIOUS & INEVITABLE. PLEASE DO NOT BLAME LWMDR FOR THAT.

Using future tense is prediction or speculation. I always DO THE EXPERIMENT & TALK ABOUT THE RESULT. That is why I am able to use present or past tense & not future tense.

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It is not a question of belief. That paper said that the subjects were selected according to the approved norms for demarcating diabetics & non-diabetics, healthy & unhealthy. They have referred the source also. That is the reason.

The second & third sentences apply to the claim that BS of no non-diabetic ever crosses 140 and OGTT PEAK  200.

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ShooterGeorge

If so, can you return to the diet you were on before diagnosing Diabetes and undergo OGTT after a few weeks of normal diet, @ pragyac90??t?

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ShooterGeorge

In one response you predicted that if one follow all the rrestrictions specified in LWMDR, any grain food will give the same result as LWMDR. Also said that you have experienced it personally.

That is why I asked you the above question about returning to previous (nondiabetic) diet and undergoing OGTT.

This is because afterLWMDR I returned to my previous (nondiabetic) diet and underwent OGTT.

If your prediction will come true, you should be able to do those.

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MikePollard

Wow - thought War and Peace was a long read!

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ShooterGeorge

From your own words it is clear that what you @pragyac  followed is not LWMDR; that is why you did not get any positive result. What I say is my experience. More over it is supported by scientific test results. Any amount of baseless arguments will not change it.

You will understand it only when somebody tell you that what you have "experienced" is not the truth and hope that you will stop believing that your experience is true.

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jingale in reply to ShooterGeorge

"More over it is supported by scientific test results."

Which test results, Sir?

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ShooterGeorge in reply to jingale

Results of my blood tests done at an NABL accredited lab.

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ShooterGeorge

I did not assume it. You told that you were taking only a small quantity of Long Wheat. That is why I told that what you followed was not LWMDR but eating some quantity of LW at your discretion.

Me too am not interested in cliché. I keep answering because of respect to others but many are  not like that, I know.

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ShooterGeorge

Scientific observations and facts are not perishables like vegetables to say that "some OLD CGM test is worthless". 

MORE OVER WHO BROUGHT THE CGM STUDY REPORT HERE? It was not me for sure. It was somebody who was opposing the efficacy of LWMDR. Problem was something else.

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HCW9

I am diabetic for the last 10 years I am taking GlycometGP3 /850. X 2 and 10 units of insulin in the morning.but still b.s. Level is 190 PP I would like to know more about LCHF DIET.

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