there is no such thing called a diabetic diet

this joslin diabetes centre is considered the topmost of the world diabetes institutions .according to wikipedia:

"Joslin Diabetes Center - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Joslin Diabetes Center is the world's largest diabetes research center, diabetes clinic, and provider of diabetes education. It is located in the Longwood Medical ..."


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The Truth About the So-Called "Diabetes Diet"

Despite all the publicity surrounding new research and new nutrition guidelines, some people with diabetes still believe that there is something called a "diabetic diet." For some, this so-called diet consists of avoiding sugar, while others believe it to be a strict way of eating that controls glucose. Unfortunately, neither are quite right.

The "diabetes diet" is not something that people with type 1 or type 2 diabetes should be following. "That just simply isn't how meal planning works today for patients with diabetes," says Amy Campbell, MS, RD, LDN, CDE, a nutritionist at Joslin and co-author of 16 Myths of a Diabetic Diet.

"The important message is that with proper education and within the context of healthy eating, a person with diabetes can eat anything a person without diabetes eats," Campbell states.

What's the truth about diabetes and diet?

We know now that it is okay for people with diabetes to substitute sugar-containing food for other carbohydrates as part of a balanced meal plan.

Prevailing beliefs up to the mid-1990s were that people with diabetes should avoid foods that contain so-called "simple" sugars and replace them with "complex" carbohydrates, such as those found in potatoes and cereals. A review of the research at that time revealed that there was relatively little scientific evidence to support the theory that simple sugars are more rapidly digested and absorbed than starches, and therefore more apt to produce high blood glucose levels.

Now many patients are being taught to focus on how many total grams of carbohydrate they can eat throughout the day at each meal and snack, and still keep their blood glucose under good control. Well-controlled blood glucose is a top priority because other research studies have concluded that all people with diabetes can cut their risk of developing diabetes complications such as heart disease, stroke, kidney and eye disease, nerve damage, and more, by keeping their blood glucose as closely controlled as possible.

What does this mean for people with diabetes?

This means that a person who has worked with a dietitian and a diabetes treatment team to figure out how many grams of carbohydrate they can eat throughout the day can decide at any given meal what they will eat.

Those with diabetes who are not on insulin need to focus on keeping the amount of carbohydrate they eat consistent throughout the day. Those on insulin can decide both what and how much to eat at a given meal (as long as it doesn't exceed their daily allotment), and can then adjust their insulin accordingly.

"There aren't any foods that are 'off-limits,'" says Campbell. "Rather , one just needs to learn how to spend his or her grams of carbohydrate wisely over the course of the day."

Frequent home blood glucose monitoring is then used to keep track of the effects of meals and activity levels on their blood glucose. They work with their healthcare team to make adjustments in their food intake, physical activity, and medication to keep their blood glucose as close to normal as possible.

How does carbohydrate counting work?

Most foods--except meat and fat--contain some carbohydrate, and carbohydrate increases blood glucose faster than any other food. The number of grams of carbohydrate that a person can eat each day or at each meal is determined by:

- Weight and weight loss goals

- How physically active an individual is (because physical activity will lower their blood glucose)

- What diabetes medication or insulin they are taking, and when

- Other factors such as age or the presence of high blood fats (or any other medical issue, for that matter)

For example, a 6' 2" tall man with diabetes who weighs 180 pounds and wants to maintain his current weight might be told he could eat 350 grams of carbohydrate spread out over the day. His goal would be to spread those grams out over the course of the day so that he doesn't send his blood glucose too high at any one time. If he is taking insulin or oral diabetes medication, he might also have to manage when he eats his carbohydrate in such a way that there is enough sugar from his meals in his bloodstream when his medication is working its hardest.

"We now know that in general, a sugar-containing food like a brownie may have 30 grams of carbohydrate in it, but that brownie will have the same effect on your blood glucose as 2/3 cup of rice or one cup of applesauce, both of which have 30 grams of carbohydrate in them," says Campbell.

"So, if this man's meal plan developed with a dietitian states that he can eat 60 grams of carbohydrate at a meal, he can decide how he 'spends' those 60 grams. One time he may have 2/3 cup of rice and one cup of peas. Another time he may decide, for his carb choices, to eat a small baked potato, a cup of milk and have the brownie for dessert."

People who develop diabetes when they are over 40 frequently develop diabetes in part because they are overweight. Being overweight makes it more difficult for their bodies to use insulin to convert food into energy.

For this reason, many patients with diabetes also have weight loss as a goal. Because each gram of fat contains 9 calories (while a gram of protein or carbohydrate contains only 4 calories), fat gram counting as a means of losing weight becomes an additional nutritional tool for many patients.

Frequently people with diabetes also have problems with high blood fats and/or cholesterol levels, and will be prescribed a meal plan that is low in fat as well. So even if they aren't overweight, some patients may be counting grams of fat eaten at each meal or over the course of the day, as well as how many grams of carbohydrate.

There are many food lists available that show how many grams of carbohydrate and fat are in most foods. Also, most any food you purchase in a grocery story lists carbohydrate and fat content as part of the food label requirements mandated by the federal government.

Not a do-it-yourself project

"Obviously using nutrition as part of an overall diabetes treatment plan is not an entirely do-it-yourself project," notes Campbell. It's best, she states, if you work with a dietitian to determine which type of meal planning approach will work best for you.

"But then the rest of it is pretty much up to you," she adds. "You get your meal plan 'budget,' and then you decide how to spend it at each meal. And just like people without diabetes, you need to eat a variety of foods in order to be healthy.

Learn more about carbohydrate counting, click here.

Joslin's newest nutrition book, Staying Healthy with Diabetes -- Nutrition & Meal Planning is available at the Joslin Store.

Related Links

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Tips for Coping with Emotional Eating

Diabetes Diets for Women

5 Food Myths for People With Diabetes

Dining Out With Diabetes

To make an appointment with a Joslin dietitian, please

call (617) 309-2400.

Amy Campbell, MS, RD, LDN, CDE, a nutritionist at Joslin and co-author of 16 Myths of a Diabetic Diet.

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Page last updated: September 09, 2015

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  • Is this same Campbell the one who did cherry picking from China Study and went on to write a book on veganism?

    High Carb Low fat is most horrible diet for a diabetic. Millions of diabetics around the world on LCHF diet prove it daily. Two WIP cases:

  • Healthy eating -- High Carb Low fat -- producing unhealthy humans? How can that ever be called healthy?

    (1) How much has obesity gone up?

    (2) How much has diabetes gone up?

    (3) How much has cvd/chd gone up?

    (4) How much has cancer gone up?

    It would just take a few factual numbers to really bow up all the rosy picture painted around the so called healthy diet. Newer and newer diabetics are loving LCHF diet as it is the so called healthy diet which has landed them to troubles. Best way to get diabetes is follow the USDA pyramid.

    Can science explain how I am into fifth year on no drugs and yet maintain numbers of a non diabetic by and large? How a diabetic with 20 years diabetic history goes off all drugs?

  • This would be true if we were all eating a sensible amount of low Gi, low fructose carbs, based on how much our body uses.

  • Currently we are all forced to eat HIGH CARB LOW FAT by the so called scientific community which has eyes set on how to increase drug sales and how to get more and more people on drugs:

    They blame everything else except their horrible diet. If their recommendations pushes me to drugs and insulin, then their diet is horrible. Doesn't matter how many degrees or nobel prize they have.

  • Broadly speaking,there is no diet which can be branded as diabetic diet. This point had always been emphasised by me. What one eats diabetic ,obese or a healthy person,is just a balancing act between different macro and micro food ingredients to suit his taste,health,resources and his tradition .

  • broadly speaking -agreed ,except for

    "to suit his taste,health,resources and his tradition ."

    this will require interpretation.

  • low carb is never a recommendation by any scientific institution any where on earth.

    right carb, right fats, right protein is the answer.

    of course a low gi food as well.

    but that is in apparent contradiction,

    apparent only because

    the high vegetable- fruits composition of the balanced diet as by usda food plate is mostly low gi.

  • But still LCHF works. So scientific community is more interested in selling drugs than managing health thru diet. Who cares what they say when they cannot control the epidemic. Every health condition has only gone from bad to worse after Ancel Keys' fudged study. That study has been proven to be a failed on again and again.

    USDA Pyramid was a sheer failure. I don;t think scientific guys have any right to push me to a diet that will push me to worse numbers despite drugs. I don't believe in ADA's version of safe numbers.

  • The grouping of fruits with vegetables is problematic, and the overemphasis of starchy carbohydrates, the majority of which are not low Gi, can be catastrophic.

    This is all underpinned by a low-fat doctrine of course, making it unnecessarily restrictive; a criticism often levelled at low-carb.

  • who talks of low fat doctrine?

    right fats is the choice.

    10,10,10 =saturated fats%,poly and mono,respectively

    total leading upto 30 percent is not low fat--

    in india we take only 10% -fats if the NIN statistics are to be agreed.

    one third of what is required.

    and more than twice in case of carbs and less than half in case of protein.

    split into components the rest of what you said

    does not make definite opinion

    but personal feelings that cannot be substantiated by recommends by institutions of the rank of NHS UK OR ADA>

    good luck

  • It isn't as cut and dried as that as the ADA do indeed recommend 130g carbs, and by your reasoning there must be a reason for that. Also, Diabetes UK recognise the benefit of Gi, they just say that because it would increase the fat in the diet we shouldn't eat them to the exclusion of low-fat alternatives, because this would be unhealthy (forgetting that too much insulin and high blood glucose from high-Gi foods are proven unhealthy).

    If I can just summarise your reasoning, we should follow these experts instead of acknowledging how our body responds?

  • self diagnosis and treatment?

  • No, I think Diabetes UK claims that 98% of diabetes necessitates self-management, 2% with the health professional.

  • once consulted[doctor] then self management within that advises=this may be what they say.

  • Wrong. Sweden after studying all the Data has a LCHF dietary recommendation to its people. Experts everywhere including the NIH have published papers stating the benefits to those suffering with metabolic syndrome indeed appear to benefit with higher fats and proteins and much less carbohydrates.

  • All said and done,irrespective of the proponents of low carb high fat claim ,the article reproduced by india cratus is the most detailed and logical explanation of what diabetics should understand in so far as dietary protocol is concerned. The write up coming from a specialised diabetic research centre can be believed as more authentic than what critics want diabetics to believe.

    it is now clear from what was said in another thread ,obesity is now recognised as a disease in as much as diabetes is recognised as a disorder.Diabetes does not cause obesity but obesity can cause diabetes control difficult in case of diabetics who are diabetics as well.What causes obesity is now fairly documented and probably easy to tackle as compared to diabetes where the cause is still not understood except to say it is a metabolic disorder or intolerance to sugar.Reducing weight makes sense in case of diabetics who are obese and it also makes sense to those genetically prone to be potential victims of diabetes in future.When once weight loss is achieved to ideal weight ,there is no reason why stringent diet should be continued.Further to say that this stringent diet itself is sufficient to control diabetic complications such as CVD, eyes,kidney etc., is a tall claim and the case study highlighted is unworthy of belief unless backed with medically authenticated by tests by certified medical bodies competent to examine such cases.Moreover the person himself has not said anything on his achievement and persons speaking on his behalf themselves did not have any such experience of their own.

  • yes it is agreed.

    weight reduction towards an approved weight

    and returning to a balanced diet

    from over eating or following a truncated diet

    are the first steps that any diabetic should take up.

    those whose fail in this only need to think about other means like,

    for ,the ada's 130 gram moderate low carb diet,

    this is not lchf as propagated among us.

    good luck.

  • Low carb usually mean 50g or less. Per day. I eat 30g or less per day.

  • How does this tell people what they need to know? Where does it say that the quantity of carbohydrate is the greatest determinant of blood glucose levels? Where does it say that most people's body uses between 400 kcal and 600 kcal as carbohydrate, and the further we deviate from this the more we risk ill-health?

    You are interpreting it to your liking, not factually.

  • open any text book of nutrition or equivalent websites.

  • Why would I do that if this article truly contains all that I need to know?

    You wouldn't even look at studies that didn't support conventional points of view.

    Let's say we did look, we would find that carbohydrate drives insulin drives fat deposition when we consider adipose cells. Then when we consider obesity, this is overlooked to the focus of energy in/energy out.

    The lack of effectiveness of the mainstream dogma should at least open the way to investigating alternatives, that cannot continue to be dismissed as 'unhealthy' based on unfounded opinion.

    Authorities need to be held to the same standards; prove it!

  • mr.concerned,

    you disputed it as my opinion.

    it means = 40 to 60 percent carbs is the requirement of the human body.

    only a text book of nutrition or equivalent

    can then settle it as to whether it is my opinion,or standard knowledge. so open a text or equivalent web site.

    and about this study or that study.

    who cares for the SAHARA central university or forum studies.?

    if they are accepted by scientists round the world ,

    then it will appear in a text book


    it will go into oblivion as internet junk.

    great concerned may go through.

    but common man indiacratus will not.

    ok.thanks for responding.

    good luck .


    you can also see my reply to mr pnglr


    reproduced below.if i can make so much of an explanation why should i make a single sentence knowledge :

    of how much carbs for humans?


    dear pnglr,

    "mono-saccharides -- carbs with single molecule. Eg - glucose, fructose, galactose

    di-saccharides -- carbs with 2 molecules. Eg - sucrose = glucose+fructose (found in cane juice)

    poly-saccharides - carbs with 100s of molecules"

    in all the above the term molecule is inappropriate.

    you may use 'sugar molecule' may be appropriate.because atoms are also molecules and

    a sucrose molecule with c12 h22 o11 with 45 atoms is also a molecule

    i will give the hierarchy any way.

    fundamental particles, electrons, protons, nutrons ,

    atoms ,[molecules]

    carbohydrate means combinations of atoms of c,h, and o.

    further monosacharides:are:

    3 carbon

    4,5,6 carbon ,7 etc all ending with 'ose'[hexose ,pentose etc]

    6 carbon is glucose.

    isomerisms are fructose, galactose etc.all are 6 carbon.


    combinations of the isomers.or isomer molecules to be exact usage

    mono,di, oligo, poly saccharides.

    good luck


  • No one is interested in how mitochondria works or the valency and atomic number. Provide some precise solution. pnglr I am sure will not go back to eating he junk -- high carb low fat --that made him diabetic.

    Textbooks have become practical junk because it has no explanation and workable solution to Diabesity and its complications. Internet study is far better than that broken HIGH CARB LOW FAT DIET as it is HELPING diabetics gain control of their health. High Carb Low fat is the most useless diet which only makes money for food and drug industry.

    There's absolutely no science behind 60% carbs. There's only MONEY and BAD science.

  • That is true

  • Thanks for the detailed explaination on carbs.. :)

  • So planning to start eating one teaspoon sugar every meal? Looks like it doesn't make a difference if you eat sugar as part of carbs quota as per the dissertation thesis presented here.

    Next of course will be orange juice with glucose in breakfast along with four slices of BROWN BRAEAD without butter of course ;)

    Since you follow LCHF, I guess, brace yourself up for ... :)

  • Hi anup.. I would never ever in my life start eating sugar.. Anyway I am not fond of sweets.. I will also not increase eating carbs.. My body is responding well to Low Carb diet with good results (HbA1c in 5% range).. So why should I change my diet which has worked so well from last 1 year?

    I just thanked indiacratus for providing detailed chemical information on carbohydrates .. :)

  • Great. On Low Carb Diet VCO is the best source of fat.

    Yes, it is expensive compared to JUNK Oils like sunflower, safola, canola and soya, but it's very cheap compared to Invokana and Januvia and it's far better to have 1 TABLESPOON VCO every meal than 1 teaspoon sugar :)

  • What is VCO? Is it some Oil? I am a vegetarian. Is it vegetable oil or animal oil?

  • Virgin Coconut Oil. Best oil under the SUN.

  • Ok.. thanks.. I remember seeing a video on youtube on how they prepare it..

  • Yes, different brands of VCO are available in market.

  • What is approx cost per lit of VCO?

  • Merit VCO is around 600, Rubco VCO is slightly cheaper.

  • Is the VCO same as the oil extracted from Khopta (dry coconut) using cold press method?

  • Yes no dangerous chemicals used for extracting the last drop of oil. They are sold as VCO.

  • At my place they extract it in a Kolhu (a cold press mill) and they sell it around Rs.200 per lit.They can also extract the oil under customer supervision or from Khopra supplied by Customer.Will it be better to purchase from them?

  • Yes that should be fine, but surprised that they sell for 200, because Khopra itself costs around 150/kg in market. I buy 6 kg Khopra per month for making coconut milk at home.

  • Anyway,quality of oil can be assured,if I will purchase Khopra and ask them to extract oil under my super vision.Let me to know how to use VCO?

  • I use 2 TABLESPOON (around 30 ml) from the moment I wake up till lunch in black coffee. I don't take any breakfast and if on rare occassion i feel hungry just take handful of nuts. Mostly I am on 2 major meals a day since last few years :)

    It can be used anywhere, even in place of ghee. It's one of the best sources of HEALTHY FAT and being MCT loaded, it is converted to energy as fast as slice of bread but doesn't spike sugar.

    My lunch these days is 3 boiled eggs, 1 glass cold coffee made from coconut milk and one slice of bread, so total of around 25 grams carbs (instead of 125 that ADA would want me to eat).

  • Thanks a lot!

  • "instead125that ADA would want me to eat"

    when did ADA want ed you to eat125?Any proof you have.?

  • 2500 X 60/400 == 375

    It's better than saying internet junk :)

    Steve Cooksie was threatened to be jailed for talking against ADA's diet. But, the body in North Carolina lost the case!

    ADA 's diet is horrible.

    Moreover, if you read carefully, I am on 2 meals a day schedule. So 250/2 = 125 even if I look at ~1700 kcal diet, though calorie counting is not part of our style :)

  • my question was specific when you said ADA wanted you to eat 125 gr.if you have answer please clarify.Otherwise you need not take trouble to digress

  • Re read the computation.

    I don't digress. Digressing is insulting others on forum with flowery adjectives. I haven't done that.

    Yes ADA wants 60% cal from CARBS.

  • thanks.Be happy.

  • Even processed coconut oil is good for you. It just removes all that coconut flavor if you font like it. It's awesome for cooking to as it works excellent at high heat. I use it in my sugar free dark chocolate and pecan bar's. ..

  • Dear Magman .No. a correction is needed in your understanding.Processed coconut oil is as bad as any other vegetable oil since they are using chemicals for refining purpose. Even Extra virgin Coconut oil is also bad since they are using chemicals. for vegetable fats we need oil with out added chemicals. So cold pressed virgin coconut oil which is prepared from coconut milk is the best.

    We can also prepare it at home by heating and stirring coconut milk at slow flame. In the end pure oil will come and we can use it after filtering.

  • The refined coconut oil is achieved via distilling process and bleching and they don't use chemicals but isn't bad like vegetable oils and still come closely as healthy as virgin coconut oil. Cooking at high Temps it's great because it does well up to 450 degrees whereas virgin is only good to 350.

    It's almost as good as virgin, but lacks the coconut aroma.

    I prefer virgin but use both.

  • Honestly it depends on the oil. All vegetable oils-- I agree--- they are not ideal at high temperatures. Also olive oil is best on low temps, never high. I eat it raw as much as possible.

    But peanut oils, avocado oils, coconut oils, and a few other are not subject to rapid breakdown to heat. They hold up quite well, so it's more important to know your oils and when cooking with higher heat to always use the oils that perform best.

  • Rubco is Rs:397

  • Plus 120 shipping.

  • MRP is only Rs 397 and it is available in many shops with a small discount. We can also directly get it from RUBCO,Kanur at Rs:340 plus Rs 40 for shipping if we order for 10 bottles at a total price of Rs:3800/= The life expectancy of this oil is more than one year.

  • I am willing to order 5 lit as I am on last leg of my Merit VCO stock. So, if they can deliver @Rs 380/Lit for 5 lit order I am in. Can you help on this?

    Yes Shelf life of VCO is not a concern.

  • CONTACT SREEJITH AT 09447498305. He is the sales person in RUBCO through who I am buying 10 bottles at a time Price Rs:3400 plus shipping Rs:400/=

  • No point. Some people can never understand science behind LCHF despite claiming to be master of everything. I have found many doctors who claim to be experts on diabetes, but they just rant against LCHF and never talk sensibly. Younger generation is a bit different.

  • We (those who don't like the horrible diet that ADA wants us to follow) open websites which prove scientifically how horrible HIGH CARB LOW FAT Diet is for diabetics. We don't open websites where articles sound like As Seen On TV advertisements for food companies.

    No textbook can ever teach experience. And Quality experience doesn't come just by reading. One has to learn by living that diet, watching medical reports how they improve, watching how drug consumption falls and yet health improves on all major counts.

  • As a severe diabetic I can clinically via testing prove carbohydrates raise blood sugar.

    I just checked my blood sugar and it was 105.

    1 oz coconut oil; I drink it wait 30 minutes. I check my sugar and I'm a 101 ( didn't go up went down )

    I eat a baked chicken thigh and drum stick; wait 30 minutes. Checking blood sugar and I'm a 107...

    I eat 2 orieo cookies. Wait 30 minutes. Check my sugar and I'm a 190 and I suspect climbing. I check 2 hours later and I'm a 160 ( you should be under 120 is you're non diabetic).

    Okay what more proof do you need? Fats don't raise blood sugar, protein slightly raise blood sugar, and carbohydrates and sugars greatly raise blood sugars.

    There are only 3 macro sources of food and I just ate all three of them to prove only carbohydrates & sugars create this problem.

  • At break fast if you take Dal along with idly or dosa GI will not increase compared to only carbohydrate without DAL(Green gram or redgram etc) Taking Dal along with breakfast will not only bring down GI after breakfast , it last even for your lunch and even for your dinner(since 10% fat is there in Dal). That is why sugar did not climb when you tested. But concentrating on control of insulin resistance is always better than controlling sugar , otherwise the problem of IR will grow unchecked.

  • A diabetic who is transitioning to LCHF, took 2 idlis in lunch. It spiked him. Each normal size idli will need approximately 2.5 units of regular insulin bolus dose for him.

  • Lchf address blood glucose & high insulin which high insulin is the normal cause of diabetes. You address the cause and treat your symptoms eating LCHF diet.

  • to all,

    one of the basic errors committed by some obese people is that

    they are not aware of an obesity gene-

    a dys functioning gene which makes them distinct from others.

    now that is a disease by itself.

    for them the calorie limited food and the underlying law of conservation of energy [and matter]fails apparently.

    apparently only.

    the error is --they think everybody's body is like theirs.

    thus they invite every body to lchf. that is a medical crime.

    others can easily get rid of their over weight by standard means and drugs. which is better than disturbing the balanced diet --the healthy diet.which the whole world practices.

    vco is not safe . may be some small percentage reduction in saturated fats,to be limited to 10 percent.[otherwise kindly tell me what percentage reduction of sfa is obtained by cold extraction or similar means.]

    please do not quote lower level dot coms-i will not read.

    good luck

  • Yes but for most people the issue is insulin metabolism problem. When you're swimming in insulin everything you put in your mouth gets stored as fat..

    Doctors check blood sugar level and rarely I'd ever check insulin levels. If you asked me I'd say that's medical malpractice.

  • There are some issues discussed here require clarification/enlightenment

    1ADA want us to eat horrible diet.

    I doubt if ADA or any one forces anybody to adopt their recommendations or write any specific advise . what they do are general guidelines. It is upto individuals to follow any dietary pattern suited to one’s own health needs and ideas to maintain it..We Indians have our own food pattern quite different from what westerners are accustomed to eat. If this is so,are there no similar guidelines as of ADA from any Indian organization?Why do mwe closely follow ADA pattern

    2.If all foods are organic compounds of carbon,hydrogen and oxygen in certain chemical order of number of atoms/ molecules, and finally our body breaks the food into the same basic molecules and re combines it to suit its functioning,,how does it matter if carbohydrate,protein and fat content of food are different based on food habits of us? Why it is not sufficient if we just eat to keep calorie intake optimum?

    3 .Why are we so much engrossed in worrying what is happening in America on health front when we have our own health problems in india. What is its relevance and utility for us.?

  • 1: Then why is LCHF called Internet Junk, White Powder and diabetics on LCHF are insulted by some? BTW, go to any hospital and the diet chart hat you get is on ADA ratios. So, it is being forced.

    2: CARBS spike sugar the highest, followed by proteins and then fat which is lowest and almost insignificant. The day we start eating C, H and O then we can discuss on those lines. Can we put C and H in fuel tank of a CAR just because they run on hydrocarbons?

    3: No one is worried about America. Get Indian numbers and we will talk Indian numbers. One lac Indian diabetics undergo diabetes related amputations every year. Almost 300 diabetes related amputations per day.

    America is discussed because someone wants only quotes from Mayo, WHO, ADA, And Harvard. So we dish out numbers from America and not just restricted to 3 or 4 sites. That's considered as Anti American politics by some. Really weird!!! Looks like some believe only in "HEADS I WIN, TAILS YOU LOSE" and don't want to discuss on merits.

    There's lot of relevance because it shows what High Carb Low fat has done.

  • dear raoji,

    "Why are we so much engrossed in worrying what is happening in America on health front when we have our own health problems in india.

    that is why i hypothesized it as disguised anti American propaganda.

    hidden politics.

    my personal experience and knowledge of reading through books of 20 th and 19th century science:

    scientific men do not keep any nationality, caste or creed.

    even if you find such things it will be equi distributed like any other cross section of society.

    roughly it follows the Gaussian or normal distribution.

    there are good and bad doctors ,lawyers, judges, engineers ,


    anti American propaganda in medicine is madness.

    good luck

  • "that is why i hypothesized it as disguised anti American propaganda.

    hidden politics."

    Millions of diabetics on LCHF diet around the world cannot be doing it just because of some "hypothetical" propaganda. They are doing it because their medical report on LCHF diet are far better. There's no proof that SFA causes CVD/CHD. So, let's talk based on facts first. Propaganda for eating medicines like food is horrible, when good food can do away with larger part of drugs.

    Can any science explain why LIPIDS aren't going bad, sugar levels getting better on LCHF diet? If I was on so called healthy diet, i would be taking 1500mg MF now. So which is better? Better numbers without drugs or relatively bad numbers on a BAD diet and Drugs? After all, five years is a pretty long term to prove that LCHF diet works. There are many Indian diabetics in fifth year on LCHF diet. Diabetics going off all drugs after 20 years cannot be just because of madness. There's science to it of course :)


    in the above link mediacl adminstrator of health unlocked has discussed frequency of meals for diabetcs.

  • Husband wife team of doctor who follow ADA guidelines and who started this sub forum. I have had a great discussion with one of them on ADA literature when I was here more than two years back. This was when thyeya dvertised that they are holding some diabetes camp.

    No doubt ADA diet followers have to eat 6 to 8 times a day and also drugs. We on LCHF don't follow High Carb so eat 2 large meals a day and still land far better numbers than those who eat 6 to 8 times a day.

    6 times a day is practical for retired people or for the CEO's and impractical for those who spend 10 hrs a day toward hectic professional life. One hardly gets half an hour lunch break. 9 to 5 isn't 9 to 5 even for sarkari babu these days.

    I can send my own report to them if they want to find some problem with my health after being on LCHF diet, eating lots of eggs, vco, butter and cheese.

    Now some numerical comparison:

    300/6 = 50 grams carbs per meal -- avg.

    We aim for 100 grams (20%) instead of 300 (60%) carbs.

    So 100/50 = 2 meals a day.

    Mathematically also we are not wrong :)

    We just don't eat 300 grams carbs in a day as we are diabetics and CARBS are worst enemy of a diabetic. Our approach gives better A1C on faaar less drugs. Even the total volume of food is far less. How do you think I am drug free diabetic into fifth year now? How do you think 400 other diabetics benefited on LCHF :)

  • "Looks like some believe only in "HEADS I WIN, TAILS YOU LOSE" and don't want to discuss on merits."

    Does it applies to you or only others?

  • It can't apply to me because I have lived on ADA diet before switching to LCHF so when I started talking LCHF I had comparative data of both the diets -- ie discuss on merits. Same applies to anyone who has switched to LCHF after getting betrayed by ADA's diet for decades.

    I didn't call anyone's posts "Speculative Blogging" to begin with, did I? I haven't even certified anyone "frustrated" have I? Even ladies switching to LCHF and then preaching LCHF diet weren't spared here. I started talking LCHF since Jan 2013 -- was lone guy then, numbers slowly picked up and rest is history :)

    I started talking LCHF based on comparative data and now that applies to 400 other such cases. So, no "HEADS YOU WIN TAILS I LOSE" doesn't apply to me, or any diabetic on LCHF diet, at all. When we say ADA diet is horrible, we have the numbers of both diets as personal experience. We have taken a stance based on experience and not based on opinions of ADA/Mayo/WebMD.

    I discuss on MERITS and medical reports :)

  • dear raoji,

    in my discussions with many people in the philosophical , maths or scientific circles i never met any one like this:'"HEADS I WIN, TAILS YOU LOSE" and don't want to discuss on merits."'

    may be a definition of fanatics you have given correctly. you cannot correct a fanatic .

    good luck

  • Plain English:


    It would be wise to check up Google before going into overdrive to lash out INSULTS and Abuses against other bloggers here. Calling other bloggers here as FANATIC is clearly a PERSONAL ABUSE and INSULT. This is precisely that has been spoiling the atmosphere here. Not the first time that you have used the "FANATIC" word. Here's one instance more:

    If I search more I can surely find more such cases.

    Pl stop abusing other bloggers here.


  • Oh yes it is very common for those who really know communicating in English without abusing. Surprised to see some indulge in uncivilized behavior over use of decent and civilized English.

    Anyways, abuses and insults don't stick. Listen to this song and enjoy the day as I know my English (and not just the English spoken in my state) and I am not going to abuse even if someone wants to be abused. I just hold my head up, keep my head up, and keep movin' on, inspired by this song:

  • Well then I'm a living myth...

    Eating ADA DIET, eating according to endocrinologist, or dietician advise was making me a sick insulin junky.

    16 weeks ago I adopted a ketogenic diet which is low carbohydrate high fat diet with moderated protein consumption.

    Doing AS THE Experts Advised I Was SHOOTNG INSULIN 5 To 6 TIMES A DAY AND BLOOD SUGARS Were FROM 55 To OVER 300 WITH averages of 150 to 170 over 60 day periods. Weight gain was assured with my using insulins and metformin to try and control my blood sugars. NOTE I SAID TRY TO CONTROL MY BLOOD SUGAR FOLLOWING ALL THESE SO CALLED EXPERTS.






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