Dean Ornish rebuttal to low-carb versus high-carb diet

[krishnang]

facebook.com/Ornish.

I am not medically qualified to comment on any scientific study. Each diet has its supporters and detractors. Choose whatever diet suits your body. I am presenting this rebuttal to a popular and much-quoted defense of high-fat, low-carb diet only as yet another source of information, that's all. I am not criticizing any one approach or recommending anything either.

[krishnang]

This kind of evangelism was precisely what I feared and which prompted my rather longish explanation for why I am posting this.

[sonu1196 in reply to krishnang]

i tested myself. lchf works very well for diabetic. as per my experience saturated fat is the best. i take ghee, butter whole egg, peanut, almond, curd etc. it is good to maintain normal lipid profile. i even take ice-cream, pedha, kalakand. when i take these sweets i restrict carbohydrates. i am diabetic and maintaining my bs without medicine

[sonu1196]

AxEffect ur right

[sonu1196]

i am not interested in any type of argument. i am interested only in real facts

[atma]

In my case low fat high carb killed me literally and low carb high fat saved me. I don't know any science. but it fully worked on me.

[shrisamarth Volunteer]

Quote "nobody in this forum answered me ,the following.

which is better?"

Why should someone answer your questions when you don't answer simple questions.

[28051948]

How to check food allergy before consuming it.

[Aiyaraj]

I was diabetic since 2003. I am also hypertensive. I am on Gluformin G2. I read shooter George's experiment with Emmer wheat and also Medfree's about LCHF. I was avoiding sweets, Root vegetables, fat etc. In spite of this My HbA1c was 8.4. Jan 14 I started with Long wheat and also increased the fat. April My HbA1c came down to 6.4. I further cut down on rice and changed the chapatti's to whole wheat Atta chapatti's. with lots of vegetables, meat and fish. Added Ghee to my morning long wheat. My HbA1c is now 5.6 I have now cut down my tablets to half the dosage. Any article written by any body is immaterial since I am happy with the results. My Blood pressure is normal with out medication.

[makarim]

I thank you Axeffect for your modesty and politeness for answering. Indiacratus and Pataliputra are the people who are unnecessary arguing .It is better to judge by the persons concerned. About eighty percent people in this forum are befitted by LCHF. We are preaching LCHF.It is others to accept it or not. No compulsion please. This forum is not for backbiting and criticising. Thanks.

[shurya in reply to makarim]

...and indiacratus is introducing religion - Christianity into this while diabetes is religion free!!!

[makarim in reply to shurya]

Thanks

[makarim]

I thank you Axeffect for your modesty and politeness for answering. Indiacratus and Pataliputra are the people who are unnecessary arguing .It is better to judge by the persons concerned. About eighty percent people in this forum are befitted by LCHF. We are preaching LCHF.It is others to accept it or not. No compulsion please. This forum is not for backbiting and criticising. Thanks.

[makarim]

I thank you Axeffect for your modesty and politeness for answering. Indiacratus and Pataliputra are the people who are unnecessary arguing .It is better to judge by the persons concerned. About eighty percent people in this forum are befitted by LCHF. We are preaching LCHF.It is others to accept it or not. No compulsion please. This forum is not for backbiting and criticising. Thanks.

[menonpkv]

Fantastic negation of things !!!!!

[shurya]

Same with me. I too am diabetic but with lchf diet maintaining normal sugar level totally without drugs. That said, anyone who has not practiced lchf need not comment on its ill effects

[tejkumar in reply to shurya]

dear shurya, would appreciate you write to me what constitutes your breakfast, and 2 meals i.e. what do you take as part of LCHF diet that helps you maintain BS levels - just my curiosity, maybe, many could align and synch. their meals in-take thru your inputs; God bless us all with good health!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[makarim]

Thanks for for your feelings.I feel ,let us try best to propagate the awareness of LCHF without caring for indiacratus or any body. Keep trying. Thanks you once again.

[kcpl in reply to makarim]

Aah! so indiacrtaus and patliputra are the two. Now I know why patliputra latched on to me right on the first day and unnecessarily and then kept on trolling. These two will be on permanent ignore list. Any more?

[jaisinghk1]

THIS SUNDAY TIMES(CHENNAI EDITION 7.9.2014) I READ AN ARTICLE ABOUT LCHF. THOUGH THE STUDY DO NOT MENTION ABOUT CURE OF DIABETICS, IT SAYS LESS CARDIOVASCULAR RISK FOR PEOPLE AVOIDING CARBOHYDRATES. IT ALSO HELPS TO REDUCE THE WEIGHT AND INCREASE HDL THE GOOD CHOLESTEROL. THE LCHF PEOPLE HAVE GREATER REDUCTION IN BODY FAT THAN THE LOW FAT GROUP. LOW FAT GROUP LOSE MORE MUSCLE THAN FAT.

[kcpl in reply to jaisinghk1]

Yes, it is a fact that LCHF is great. Many doctors are saying it and I will be posting videos regularly on it.

Recently there's a study on more than 26000 subjects which reveals that consuming High Fat Dairy products drastically reduces chances of type diabetes by over 20%. So slowly and steadily everyone is coming to terms with real facts.

LCHF is one of the best dietary intervention for dealing with diabetes. HCLF diet for diabetics, as recommended by professionals following ADA guidelines, is atrocious.

LCHF for diabetes is actually no rocket science. It is common sense.

[manishe]

my friend.

wheat, rice are the two of the most abused grains by the GM industry. the food, medical, all (WHO, ADA, whichever organization , USFDA, USDA) industry are hand in glove.

they changed the DNA of the above somewhere in 1955 to sell their chemicals (weapons left from world war II) factory produce.

since then it's been downward for all fat and upward for carbs.

[manishe in reply to manishe]

the above is for indiacratus

[manishe]

I agree about Keys. it's all a game that they say money is there in sick patients , not cured or dead ones.

I am sure that you are medfree. using Dlife is a bit complicated !

[manishe]

noted ! the style and language of posts are very similar. anyways, sorry for the trouble.

[kcpl]

Problem with Ornish diet is :

(1) The huge reliance on genetically modified thyroid debilitating soya and and its products.

(2) Reliance on one study as against 14 studies in favor of fat.

(3) Criminally high CARBS as far as diabetic is concerned.

Some also say he is building a franchise around his plan so commercial interests will always blind him from all the studies which prove his low fat theory as wrong. He will be averse to accepting major trials that go against his one study foundation. Additionally, he failed with Steve Jobs AFAIK. Jobs died at 56 and Ornish's anti cancer diet didn't do any good to him.

[makarim]

Sir your observation and point raised are obviously justified. I thank you for that. Karim

[kcpl in reply to makarim]

Thank you.

Please don't address me as sir.