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W8R3 done! But did I 'cheat'?

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spadgyGraduate
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W8R3 done, and I'm finally accepting I'm a person who takes pleasure (with lots of groaning!) from running. I never imagined I'd be doing this, or be this person. Ace!

But...

I've been gravitating to trails. I live surrounded by hills. Today's W8R3 trail run went great - except when climbing 50 steps cut into a hillside nearly ruined me (after a couple of steep uphills on muddy tracks/open grassland. I kept moving. I never stopped. But that was very close to me walking! To try and account for that slow (but tough!) section, I ran two minutes extra on the end.

So, either...

- I ran for 30 minutes, including a gruelling 50 step climb.

Or...

- My 28 minute was broken by a two minute section that wasn't really running, so doesn't count at all!

My question! OK to still count today's run? How are people approaching if they keep moving, but gt pretty damn slow for a stretch? It felt like a proper effort... but I have a nagging doubt!

Also - I realise I may have gone for trails too soon. Very hilly here, so no option of flat, calm trails. But I think I'll return to roads for W9. See if all my trails uphills have improved my ability to just run on a pavement! Then, after W9, trails consolidation with less worry about exact timings (one to check with the Consolidation Club another time).

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MontyMooDog profile image
MontyMooDogGraduate

Gets a thumbs up from me m8 👍

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spadgyGraduate in reply to MontyMooDog

Thanks so much! I know nobody can absolutely say 'yes - the rules say this is OK'.

Silly me, really - went for trails a bit early in my running life. Just not much flat here - I live halfway up a huge hill, so it's either uphill leaving or coming back! Uphills are tough, eh? But as with a bike, I take a kind of weird pleasure in the test of a steep uphill... and uphills reward you with... downhills!

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MontyMooDogGraduate in reply to spadgy

You'll get very fit very quickly with hills lol😂😂

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spadgyGraduate in reply to MontyMooDog

Then I guess I'm lucky there's so many of them here. Honest it feels that way! ;)

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BlackberrypieGraduate

I think as long as you're doing a running motion (i.e. leaving the ground) it counts, no matter how slow.

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spadgyGraduate in reply to Blackberrypie

I confess that the last two or three steps at the top was me sort of collapsing over the brow of the hill, but those seconds aside, I think I manged that! Thanks sincerely!

And I had to stop for a full five or so seconds on the same run when I was bundled by boisterous, playful dogs! And I'm not restarting for them! :)

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BlackberrypieGraduate

I thought I'd pass on this really useful post on hill running technique which OldFloss shared with me. If nothing else it gives me something to think about:

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spadgyGraduate in reply to Blackberrypie

Very helpful - thank you. I've decided to revert to roads for W9. Still a bit hilly (and not quite my happy place like trails is), but I want to avoid major obstacles until C25K is done; stick to consistent running.

But I love running out in the countryside and a little more rugged/playful terrain. Back to that ASAP, when that article will become very helpful! And I'm sure it will help my W9 a bit. I still live on this whopping great hill!

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BlackberrypieGraduate in reply to spadgy

I live on a hill and like running on trails much more than roads too!

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Instructor57Graduate

Sounds good to me 😬👍

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spadgyGraduate in reply to Instructor57

I'll take it! Thanks for the encouraging backing! :)

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Maddee_6333Graduate

Absolutely count it. Steps are punishing all on their own. If it feels like a proper effort, it was! Go you 👍

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spadgyGraduate in reply to Maddee_6333

Great stuff. Everyone's on the same page. Thanks so much!

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Maddee_6333Graduate in reply to spadgy

I am a big fan of gauging things by effort 👍

nowster profile image
nowsterGraduate

Dealing with an obstacle in the way (stile, gate, steps) is not cheating in my opinion.

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spadgyGraduate in reply to nowster

Yeah - I was pondering that. I had to struggling with a wonky 'kissing gate' on the same run, and got bundled by playfully boisterous dogs (big lads!) on the same run. Never assumed they counted as a 'stop'.

It was the size of the steps obstacle - or rather, the time it ate into. But based on the encouragement here, and that I'd already done two big climbs on the run, I think I'll let myself off! Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

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nowsterGraduate in reply to spadgy

I was robbed of about 10 seconds of "moving time" on Monday by a gate and steep downward steps (overhung by trees too, so GPS was obscured).

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spadgyGraduate in reply to nowster

I think that's why I'll revert to roads for W9. Just consistent running without too much in the way of obstacles. Then back to the trails when I don't need to worry so much about matching the C25K schedule precisely. Because I much prefer running on slightly rugged trails, and being amongst nature - feels less like exercise and a bit more playful. I might have spent my youth causing Beano-style mischief over the fields! That'll be it!

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RoxdogGraduate in reply to spadgy

It's a shame you have to revert to pavements pavement because it's so hilly. I run on trails but live in a flat area! Love my trails!

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spadgyGraduate in reply to Roxdog

Essentially, I really want to stick to trails. I love it! more playful and beautiful and exploratory. I'm also gravitating to single track, rugged bits where you have to climb up some rocks or pick your way down a slope, jump over a stream, work out how to get round impenetrable woodland... getting a bit lost too! Much better than road running

I'm not claiming to be athletic, powerful or even fit. Imagine a light, playful version of the above!

But that style does feel a bit stop/start-ish for C25K. I want to be able to maybe slowdown to explore a new area, or tackle a rocky climb where I might even need hands down for a bit.

And then the hills! My road runs here have about 50 metres total elevation. 111 metres today on the trails!

I also just read I've introduced trails a bit fast. I went from three road runs a week to three mostly trails runs a week.

So I'm gonna finish W9 on the roads - and then work out a consolidation apprach that lets me embrace the type of trails I love!

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RoxdogGraduate in reply to spadgy

Good luck. Your trails are more hard-core than mine, but I do love to explore and get lost in my runs!

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spadgyGraduate in reply to Roxdog

That's it - explore and get lost!

My trails might be more hardcore - but I am not! :)

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RoxdogGraduate in reply to spadgy

😂

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Birdlady64Graduate

Of course you can count it!

You were still moving weren't you?

One of my 5k routes crosses the railway line twice which involves stopping momentarily and opening 4 gates. Others will be running in town and have to stop for traffic and the like.

I guess that's partly why the running apps like Strava give you "moving time" as well as elapse time.

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spadgyGraduate in reply to Birdlady64

Very reasonable, and I like it. Thanks for the encouragement!

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Run4HillsGraduate

Hi. The way I see it is that as the climb was more difficult than just continuing on the flat, it has got to count! Did the same thing myself on a coastal path -added some extra time at the end. Well done for trying it, I’d say!

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spadgyGraduate in reply to Run4Hills

You hit the nail on the head with the word 'coastal'! I'm lucky enough to be near some of the rolling coastal hills of the South East... but goodness, things can get steep near the sea, eh!?

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IannodaTruffeMentor

Get off the road, have some fun.

I live in a small rural town and never understand those who trudge the urban streets when there is glorious Devon countryside all round the town.

If you kept moving, you were okay.

Keep running, keep smiling.

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spadgyGraduate in reply to IannodaTruffe

Thanks! And, yeah - off-road is exploratory and playful and mindful to me. To each their own, but I far prefer it to road running! And one moment I'm running through a little glade, and then a sea view over the hills. Wonderful!

It likely won't surprise you that I prefer a mountain bike to a road bike! :)

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nowsterGraduate

My plan is to mix things up a little now there are no more intervals. Explore a bit. But not tomorrow. Tomorrow is an extra rest day. Overnight is to be warm and muggy. Even if I were to run at 4am it would be too warm and humid, and I'm not likely to have slept well.

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Tasha99Graduate in reply to nowster

As much as I love summer (not this hot though), I’m happy with an 8 degree drizzly day for a run 🤣

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spadgyGraduate in reply to Tasha99

I prefer a cooler climate, even when not running, So I got up at 5AM for today's run, and while 19 degrees was OK, the humidity felt silly! Fortunately I can do 5AM. Toddler twins here. Past 6AM is a lie-in! :)

Tasha99 profile image
Tasha99Graduate in reply to spadgy

Oh I remember that! My son woke every day before 5am till he was 2 😶

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spadgyGraduate in reply to Tasha99

Oof! We've been fairly lucky. Usually it's about 6AM. But the heat has them up closer to 5AM right now.

Maybe one day I'll need to use an alarm clock again! :)

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UpamanyuGraduate

Thats legit in my book. 🤜🏼🤛🏼

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spadgyGraduate in reply to Upamanyu

I'll take that! :) Thanks for the support!

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