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Hi all

Yes, I’m back again and this time it’s serious stuff. Is there a song that is your favourite cover version ever? For me I adore His Purple Highness, but have to concede that Sinead ‘Connor’s version of his song Nothing Compares 2 U, is just a little more compelling to listen to. And so my retro runner buddies, these are the covers I love best so far:-

Nothing compares 2 U - Sinead O’ Connor

Kiss - Art Of Noise/Tom Jones

Valerie - Ronson and Whitehouse

Monkey Man and Back to Black - Amy Winehouse

Tainted Love - Soft Cell

Something’s Gotten Hold of My Heart - Almond and Pitney

I Only Want To Be With You - The Tourists

Please let me know the covers you love and they’ll go on our best covers ever playlist. As ever, the editor’s decision is final.

I can't wait to see what ideas you all have - this could be another 2 part playlist I think. If you name the tracks, I’ll create the playlist.

And the pic is the article about my run the year challenge in Runner’s World - thanks to you all on here and Mr Smooth, my story was considered interesting enough to be featured. More of you contributed to my sponsorship, as a result and thanks to Hidden for her post on here to that effect. For that, every other post urging me on, and every penny donated by all you lovely people I have to say a big, big thank you to the C25K running family. Mummycav this will be you one day for sure.

p.s. Anyone else think I look weirdly shaped in this pic?

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I always think Elvis Costello’s Good Year for the Roses is better than the original. And Phil Collins’ You Can’t Hurry Love.

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Both are in. Thanks for the ideas....

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Girls just wanna have fun - Cyndi Lauper

All along the watchtower - jimi Hendrix

Hurt - Johnny cash

Hallelujah - about 400 different artists 😂

I fought the law - the clash

Delilah - Tom Jones

Blue Suede shoes - elvis

Motörhead - Motörhead

Killing me softly - the fugees

Temptation - cradle of filth

Stay - cradle of filth

Respect - Aretha Franklin

Personal Jesus - Marilyn Manson

Tainted love - Marilyn Manson (a cover of a cover)

Sweet Dreams - MM

Twist and Shout - sone band from Liverpool, err... the Beatles

Not sure if this counts... Walk this Way - Run DMC & Aerosmith

Likewise... bring the noise - anthrax & public enemy

Bohemian Rhapsody - Bad News

You were always on my mind - pet shop boys

Theme from mash - manic street preachers / marlilyn manson

Physical (you’re so) - nine inch nails

Whiskey in the jar - Thin Lizzy (if that counts)

Kids in America - lawnmower deth

Stand and deliver - no doubt

It’s oh so quiet - Bjork

All summer long - Kid Rock (a cover of two songs)

Feed my Frankenstein - Alice Cooper

American Badass - Kid Rock (musically a cover of two Metallica songs)

All the young dudes - Bruce Dickinson (also David Bowie version, does that count as he wrote it?)

Bring your daughter to the slaughter - Iron maiden

Jundal profile image
JundalGraduate in reply to UnfitNoMore

Have to admit I prefer the Metallica version of whiskey in the jar.

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UnfitNoMoreGraduate in reply to Jundal

I prefer the Dubliners version! I dunno if it’s a cover really... would someone recording happy birthday be a cover?

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JundalGraduate in reply to UnfitNoMore

If so it's the most covered song in the world!

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UnfitNoMoreGraduate in reply to Jundal

Hehe... that could still be hallelujah... I still don’t think I’ve heard all 80+ verses of that and I must have 100 versions of it or more. My least favourite is the original, but then I could say that about lots of Leonard Cohen songs 😂

Check that... yesterday has been covered over 2000 times apparently

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JundalGraduate in reply to UnfitNoMore

Wow!

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misswobbleGraduate in reply to UnfitNoMore

I like Cohen 😁. I was running along quite happily to Suzanne yesterday. Hippy nonsense maybe but I love running to it 👍😃🏃‍♀️

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UnfitNoMoreGraduate in reply to misswobble

I like Cohen, I have all his albums... just I tend to prefer his songs lifted a little.

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misswobbleGraduate in reply to UnfitNoMore

True 🙂

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I’m with you Misswobble... for me, Leonard was a wordsmith & a master of his art ✨

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Amazing lyricist.... great voice.

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Got to be thin lizzy for me 👍

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UnfitNoMoreGraduate in reply to misswobble

It’s the most well known I guess

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All the young Dudes - Mott the Hoople version 👍.

The Clash version of I fought the Law is a belter isn’t it 💪😃👍

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UnfitNoMoreGraduate in reply to misswobble

See... mott the hoople was the original recording... so I was torn between Bruce and David... went with Bruce as I thought can your own song also be a cover?

Agreed on the clash

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misswobbleGraduate in reply to UnfitNoMore

Just been out with the dawg and couldn't stop singing “roll away the Stone” 😁. La la la push push 😁

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These are in.... I will surprise you with the others.... :)

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As ever you are my friendly musical nemesis on this - you know way so much more music than I do... Cradle of filth - you’re going to have to educate me as to their merits!!, as I’m struggling to see them. And joint ventures I’m not sure they really count. But ‘most’ of yours are in....

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Well... they’re masters of extreme metal, which you either love or hate, that much I get, and wouldn’t recommend much of their other stuff to ears that aren’t used to it... need some Slayer first!

The guy who played Pinhead in hellraiser is a part time member of the band.

They also use a classically trained female voice to counter the extreme voice of the vocalist. I loved the original Stay, but this one is even more haunting. They do love to throw some cover versions of pop songs on, to the derision of some of their own fans. The temptation cover probably needed reigning in slightly.

They have a t-shirt that is illegal in New Zealand too 😂

And... when little miss UNM was a baby she didn’t sleep well... if I put their “her ghost in the fog” on in the car she’d fall asleep... and it works on her now if she’s over tired... it’s not a traditional lullaby though 😂

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Lozzles74Graduate in reply to UnfitNoMore

Wow! What an eclectic list

Some I never thought I’d see on a forum like this!

Lawnmower deth!!! Always remember ‘dancing’ to “enter the church of the apocalyptic lawnmower” at the local rock club

Iron Maiden bring your daughter was released just after I saw them at the NEC, first ever gig for me, Anthrax were supporting 🤘

I think I need to make a new playlist, recently it’s been ‘Steps’ 😂

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UnfitNoMoreGraduate in reply to Lozzles74

Hmmm steps or maiden? I’ll have to think about that one 😂

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I second that emotion - Japan

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misswobbleGraduate in reply to ItstheMarchHare

Love that one!

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me too

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It is most definitely in

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Agelesslass

Read the article in Runners World and it was a great read Jan. You look lovely in your photo, well done for all you do. My cover version suggestion is All along the Watchtower by Afterhere, it was the theme song in The programme. Amity Fair, originally by Jimi Hendrix

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UnfitNoMoreGraduate in reply to Agelesslass

Almost... jimi covered it... it’s a Bob Dylan song.

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misswobbleGraduate in reply to UnfitNoMore

Most songs are! 😃

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UnfitNoMoreGraduate in reply to misswobble

😂

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misswobbleGraduate in reply to UnfitNoMore

I take Bob tunes on my long runs when you need a good long song with non-recurring lyrics. Eg Bob, Rod Stewart and Chuck Berry (although his arent long). I was lucky enough to see Chuck ✊

Saw Rod,too loads of times 😃 He has done more covers than most ! 👍

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When I listen to music it has to be way too fast to run to or my pace is up and down like a brides nightie.

Thanks to the 1950s for that line too!

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misswobbleGraduate in reply to UnfitNoMore

😁

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Thanks for the kind comments - I like the Afterhere version so it is in too. Watch this space for the release, but it may take some time, as everyone has come up with such great ideas. Always reliable the C25K running crew!

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Welcome to the Jungle - Richard Cheese... actually virtually every Richard cheese track on every album, he cracks me up.

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It’s in!

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I could have listed every track he’s ever done 😂

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Your pic looks fabulous Jan. thank you for the trip down memory lane - again 😃👍

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Thanks - the pic is definitely dodgy on the unironed tee shirt front. Oh my nan would turn in her grave...

My pleasure on the list - as ever there’s such a wide variety to choose from

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Amish Paradise - weird al yankovic (parody lyrics, musical cover)

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As I’m thankful the band isn’t anthrax or some other frightening word - it is in. Parody or not and besides which we all need a laugh tune once in a while when we’re running

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Please don’t include this one... worst cover ever.

911 is a Joke - Duran Duran

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you knew just by mentioning it what would happen didn’t you?.... I leave you to wait and fear

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It’s just wrong!!!

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agreed and horribly so.... nonetheless I’ve re-nemesissed you...

Days - Kirsty MacColl

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Ah 💪bless. I did love the kinks version. What a band. Sigh 😔

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fab - she’s in

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The lion sleeps tonight - tight fit

Ever fallen in love - fine young cannibals

Faith - limp bizkit

Hit me baby one more time - Mike Patton of faith no more

Shoop shoop song - Cher

War - frankie goes to Hollywood

Do you know the way to San Jose - FGTH again

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misswobbleGraduate in reply to UnfitNoMore

Ever fallen in love with always sounds to me like a Stills number but it wasn’t was it. Buzzcocks ?

Lion sleeps tonight. I recall the Carl Denver one 😁

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UnfitNoMoreGraduate in reply to misswobble

Manchester’s finest the buzzcocks indeed.

The lion sleeps tonight has been around for a long time... before WW2 for sure

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misswobbleGraduate in reply to UnfitNoMore

Yep, I think we could have a whole thread dedicated to covers of that one song 😁.

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UnfitNoMoreGraduate in reply to misswobble

Just looked it up... first recording was 1939 in zulu

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misswobbleGraduate in reply to UnfitNoMore

I know. I saw Miriam Mekebe once and I know she did a cover. Speaking of foreign language songs, sort of, (of which I have quite a few inherited from dead relatives) one of the best has to be Hawaiian War Chant by Spike Jones 😁

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Lozzles74Graduate in reply to UnfitNoMore

The urge to sing that song is only ever a whim away...

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almost all are in - could nt find all of them on Spotify...

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UnfitNoMoreGraduate in reply to

I may have more eclectic tastes than Spotify 😂

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I think eclectic is an apt description...

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UnfitNoMoreGraduate in reply to

I was wondering wether all my opera stuff would get in, as technically every single track is a cover.

Toccata and fugue - Vanessa-Mae was in my head too.

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UnfitNoMoreGraduate

You’re so vain... Marilyn Manson & Johnny Depp

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It’s in - but really the ‘best cover’ ever?????? ;)

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Hmmm... no... but its my favourite track that Johnny Depp covered 😂

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that is the flakes ‘best ever’ justification I’ve ever heard, nonetheless I committed to it, so it’s in!

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Actually it’s not my favourite Manson cover. I also avoided his namesake Charles Manson, Helter Skelter, but then I prefer U2’s cover of it

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Venus - Bananarama

Denis - Blondie

Please, god, not Echo Beach by Toyah.

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misswobbleGraduate in reply to Jay66UK

😁😁😁.

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The things is I get awfully tempted when people say please God....

I have made up for the inclusion of Toyah’s version by adding in Gabrielle Cilmi’s version .

Cue sound of manic cackling laughter from power crazed Spotify editor....

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Torn - Natalie imbruglia

Hanging on the telephone - blondie

By the way nothing compares 2 u - prince is also eligible as it wasn’t the first recording of the song, first recording was by The Family... Prince wrote it for them... I agree Sinead, or whatever she’s called now, did the best version.

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Sinead was so good wasn’t she. All credit to her. Loved her version of Sacrific to bits 🙂

When i think of Family. I think of the Weaver’s Answer Family shortened from Family Strange Band

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UnfitNoMoreGraduate in reply to misswobble

Jancanrun is gonna have a ton of alerts😂

I don’t know them... but I can add em into the library

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misswobbleGraduate in reply to UnfitNoMore

Weaver’s Answer is awesome. Love it for running to

I best shut up now 🙊

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UnfitNoMoreGraduate in reply to misswobble

I keep thinking of more, so she must have a few hundred by now 😂

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misswobbleGraduate in reply to UnfitNoMore

I was just chatting rather than making suggestions. Ignore me Jan, if you haven’t already ☺️

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I followed the chat with interest, because it’s always interesting to see where musical tastes take you. And my music choices have definitely widened as a result of doing this... Just not sure me and UnfitNoMore share exactly the same tastes - I’m more ‘pop’ and mainstream I think...

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Ahh... mainstream... ok

Free speech for the dumb - Metallica

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Okay as I caveated this list with the ‘editorial’ rider, I’m absolutely under no circumstances adding in the screamingly awful Nat Imbruglia. It’s on my waste of oxygen list. There’s nothing you can say to persuade me either- even if she personally saves the planet from mass destruction....

I’m sorry that song, Gloria Gaynor’s I will Survive and also Talking Heads Once In A Lifetime all hit my own version of 'fingernails down the blackboard’ songs - maybe that’s a playlist to create?

Blondie - no probs and frankly anything by his purple highness is just glorious

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Hehe... Manson in, Imbruglia out... I’m in shock 😂

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No-one would ever have guessed... now my secret is out. Fairly ambivalent about other Antipodean short singers too!

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I liked kylie’s sister when I was young... not singing obviously, but in home and away all biker chick 😂

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Got the time - anthrax

These boots - megadeth

Staying alive - ozzy osbourne

Live and let die - guns n roses

Cats in the cradle - ugly kid joe

Message in a bottle - machine head

The chain - tantric

Oops I did it again - children of bodom

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Hi Hidden , so good to have you back & seeing that you have seen your article that must mean that youre back or have been back in the UK?? So what do you think?? its a brilliant article, very inspiring & no, you do not look a funny shape in the picture, I don't know what you mean?? You look fab...I am your No1 fan though, well in the list of many I'm sure!!!!

Ok, I am excited for the next playlist and as usual I like to play a little part in these things!!!! You have already mentioned my all time favourite cover version which is, of course, Sinead O'Conner's Nothing compares to you...'Valerie' 'Monkey man' & 'tainted love are already on your list too so I have a few more for you to ponder over...

'Don't leave me this way' - The Communards

'Take me to the river' - Talking heads

'China girl' - David Bowie

'I drove all night' - Cyndi Lauper

'It's oh so quiet' - Bjork (which I can belt out at a Karaoke leaving everyone stunned!!!)

'Respect' - Aretha Franklin

'Small town boy' - Bronski beat

Thank you for having faith in me & believing that maybe one day I will be capable of such an amazing achievement...if only I could be as inspiring xxxxx

in reply to Mummycav

Okay I am back in the UK - arrived late Monday... ran to Covent Garden yesterday and back home from Hampstead today. Got to do a 10k tomorrow am a little behind. Your suggestions sound fab so am sure they will all make the cut ;)

You are already an inspiration to so many of us and distance - well it’s just a matter of time!

XXX

JCR (minus the weird wrinkly paunch on one side...)

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How do your 10k go?

That’s such a kind thing to say, I certainly do hope that some of my posts have made a difference to at least one person!

I am having trouble at the moment with strava & runkeeper but I am still out there...I have to run 40k this month for a poppy run, sounds feeble compared to your achievement, it’s not going to get me into any mags & become famous in the running world I know, but it’s a start!! X

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2 birds one stone answer - your suggestions are in the list..., love them all - we are definitely lost twins!

The 10k I bombed out, I’ve run 50kms this week and last Sunday did just over 11km, with travelling back to London all day Monday, I couldn’t get the energy source to do the 10km. I have a feeling that not having done all that core strength work that you’re advised to do on here , may mean that my bod is finally saying 'enough is enough’

I had in mind to do a mini 7km today to get me over the 1818km mark and leave me with fewer than 200kms to go, but mmm little legs after 5 days running streak, basically screamed at me this morning. But am out there again tomorrow for my sins.

You doing 40km for poppy run that’s a fab achievement - and remember I’m not working, so one thing I do have in my favour is more time availability than most on here. But you are most definitely famous in this running world - cavtastic!

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❤️ Your legs are so strong! Just like your determination & passion for your quest. I’m getting one of my special bottles of fizz all the way from Carcassonne ready to pop when you take that last stride xxxx (& tissues too coz it’s going to be emotional....) xxx

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joint toasting coming up...

tissues ready too

and then bliss - a week of no running, but then bliss again, I get to start running in the New Year

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Oooo, a fresh new year of fresh new runs xxx

You look gorgeous....Mr JCR needs help with his ironing though!

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Thanks for the compliment - I tried ironing that top and it is unironable - so not good enough to look sharp when it is ironed and not tech fabric that drops the creases. A bad buy all round I think....

Mr JCR looked shocked at the thought of doing my ironing....

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Razouski

You're back! Fabulous article and fab picture too. I seem to rushing from one thing to another so will post some covers when I get a mo, although several of my suggestions are already appearing in other people's posts.

Let me know if you fancy running together sometime. Or alternatively just scoffing a PCT.

Happy running as always. :-) x

in reply to Razouski

Hi

I am back in London, bit blitzed next 2 weeks but things improve a little towards end of November. I have runnerchondria at present - there’s a hip thing going on, which aches and aches on one side, when I don’t run. It goes when I do, but worsens after every run so my distances and times are both suffering a little at present.

So short term a PCT meet up would be nice and then if hip gets better a gentle 5k might be on the cards but bear in mind I’m about 2 minutes a km slower than you with this runnerchondria hip. I can go fast just for one km or two then it drops away rapidly.

But you’re doing so well generally with your European running habit ...

happy running and I’ll message you on dates for PCT - but its your dates that are more important really as Fix is just around the corner for me!

Take care

XX JCR

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I'm happy running at a slower pace. And a PCT at Fix would be good too. Sorry to hear about your runnerchonrdria, it sounds nasty. Have you thought about seeing a physio?

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On my to do list - there’s a sports injury clinic for me to see them about runnerchondria hip and the year old frozen shoulder. Honestly if I were a dog the vet would be talking about putting me down!

Will check out diary etc and get back to you on ‘free’ dates then we can compare your ‘free’ days with mine and PCT/running will happen

XX JCR

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Try a little tenderness - Florence and the machine!

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Yup - it’s in - she’s a bit hippy dippy for my liking, but not waste of oxygen territory

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Not very mainstream either

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No remorse - cannibal corpse

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Don't Leave Me This Way. The Communards.

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It’s in!

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Thank you 😊

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One - Die Krupps

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Your taste is very......eclectic, then again I am pretty much stuck in the 80's and 90's🤣🤣

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Me too... most of the bands I really like formed in the 80s, some earlier

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I forgot a classic

My way - Sid Vicious

Strangers in the night - James brown

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Sid is in - couldn’t find James B’s version

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Are The Bangles, Hazy Shade Of Winter considered too naff?

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Not at all I love them Walk Like An Egyptian is a particular favourite

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The bangles weren’t the first to record that one either by the way!

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Mamas and Papas?

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Lene Lovich... walk like and Egyptian

Hazy shade of winter (bangles version) was for less than zero soundtrack, which is probably the only place Slayer and the bangles shared a slab of vinyl! Slayers was also a cover, but they hated that from the get go as much as I did 😂

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It’s in...

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Hello I love you - Adam ant

I’m done now!

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The Passenger, Siouxsie and the Banshees

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Its in...

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Dear Prudence, Siouxsie and the Banshees?

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Great minds - I’d already picked it....

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Just been to see Porgy and Bess at The Coliseum and thought you coul include It Ain’t Necessarily So covered by Bronski Beat.

in reply to Razouski

Nice - I like your style !!! It’s in - how could I ever refuse your musical genius???

‘The Chain’ Fleetwood Mac is my all time favourite 😍

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I love it too but it’s only the cover version that’s going on the list, so I’ve chosen ‘Tantric’

Playlist probably released next week sometime. Thanks for your idea though...

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