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Hi I want some info on statins please I’ve done everything possible to lower my cholesterol to no avail so the nurse have made me appointment to see the doctor to start statins I already take high blood pressure tablets and do they make you gain weight thank you x

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Hi it’s hereditary my father had high blood pressure and high cholesterol I’ve lost 41lbs I don’t smoke or drink I eat clean and exercise I weigh 124 lbs I don’t know anything about my blood numbers I already take reprindopril for high blood pressure I don’t think my cholesterol is that high it was 6.2 and it’s now 5.8 x

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It doesn't seem particularly high does it. Finding your triglyceride to HDL ratio would be useful.

That said, high blood pressure suggests too many carbs, clean or not.

Each gramme of carbohydrate holds 4g water in the body, adding to blood volume, as does the insulin that takes the carbohydrate out of the bloodstream. Then, because insulin is raised to perform this function, its sibling insulin-like growth factor will be raised too, causing growth of endothelial linings of arteries, effectively narrowing them. Raised blood volume in narrowed arteries; hypertension.

I know you've deduced/been told that your bp is hereditary, but often what we're told is genetic isn't inevitable. If it takes tens of years to develop it's probably learned behaviour.

It doesn't help when we have health authorities telling us to cut the fat from meat, have (semi) skimmed milk, and high fibre foods like wholemeal bread, Weetabix, shredded wheat, baked potatoes or baked beans all of which cause abnormally high insulin responses insulinandmore.com/2018/01/...

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Thank you for this information I will cut carbs and see what happens not seeing the doc for 2 weeks

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Very well said. May be one link to read to get an understanding, multiple links, who has the time to read? Reading and understanding is another problem!

Responders may have to limit the copy and paste of links?

May be an administrative function.

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There used to be a ruling where the same link shouldn't be posted more than once every ten or so replies, to deter advertising. I'm sorry if you find it hard work to click on several links. The subject often becomes more complex. It would be great if one link said it all, accurately and concisely.

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Incredible - no one forces anyone to click on any link and read documents or watch videos. It's ALL a matter of CHOICE.

Some people prefer to look at lots of material so that they can make an informed decision... whilst others complain about looking at even one link.

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I realize this is 2 months old, but I just have to say that a low carb diet is not the way to go.

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If he truly wants to help people make evidence based decisions why are the 'facts' he's quoting incorrect? Yes, meat is insulinogenic, but that is worsened by removing the fat as similar low-fat advice asserts, and high-glycaemic carbohydrates stimulate the most insulin insulinandmore.com/2018/01/... .

Where do the well marbled steaks of cattle come from? They don't eat meat. What causes the fatty liver of ducks and geese for foie-gras? They don't eat meat.

So, yes the visceral fat causes insulin resistance, and it is caused by de novo lipogenesis, which is why vegetarians get diabetes too. Do I just have to say that is not the way to go? No, because it is perfectly feasible to be a healthy vegetarian or a healthy omnivore by keeping insulin levels low, and not having too much protein which stimulates TOR.

It used to be thought that dogs couldn't get heart disease, then we started feeding them biscuits and now they get the same chronic diseases we do!

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At least we do agree that we should avoid proteins that up-regulate TOR:

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I think that is your ratio which is a little high, but don't let them give you statins. Go on google and ask for patient reviews of statins! Dr. Oz U.S.Heart Specialist says he will never take them or let any one in his family take them. I lowered my Cholestral way down with the supplement from Swanson' Health catalog "Red Yeast Rice"I know the FDA took it off market after that to re do something about it, but I took it after that too and it helped! I did nothing different! It is a natural supplement that FDA uses in their Statins! I would take Red yeast Rice as directed and also Coenzyme Q10! My HDL was high 90 and I asked nutritionist what that meant and she said,"Something is really protecting your Heart!"That should work for you! Good Luck!

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Thank you marin5 yes I have been reading up on statins and there’s no way I will be taking them! I will look up the red yeast rice thank you for replying

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The most important number is your HDL. The higher the better. And your ratio between that and your LDL. For quite a few years, Doctors tried to make me take statins because my LDL 's were so high. Butmy argument was that my HDL gave me a very good ratio so NO, I won't take it! Finally I was sent to a nutritionist and when she looked at my levels she said,"Oh My! I asked what was wrong and she said she had never seen such high HDL's, and I asked what that meant? and she answered that "Something was really protecting my Heart!" BUT that never stopped Dr's

still trying to get me on statins for years because of my high LDL's. I always took red yeast rice and my ratio was always great! also my trygliserides were good! No side effects or reactions to supplement, Red Yeast Rice, either! Bad reactions to statins!

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What are your lipid numbers and important ratios?

There numbers may help us to get a better understanding.

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In the world of training and meetings there used to be a phrase "death by power point"!

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You need to offer more information, your general health, blood lipid numbers and blood glucose numbers. You doctor first look at risk analysis and offer guidance towards life style change.

Regular exercise and watching out for hidden sugar and free sugar in food ad drinks can help towards lowering cholesterol before medication, again there are some people due to genes have high cholesterol.

Your body produces 80 % cholesterol on demand and your doctor can look at this and give you advice.

Please discuss all the options with your doctor before starting medication to lower cholesterol.

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Thanks for replying please read my post above thank you x

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Have you tried walking daily for one hour? Have you eliminated all sugars and simple carbohydrates from your diet? Have you reduced your consumption of animal protein to just 4 meals per week? Have you replaced animal protein meals with legumes and vegetables? Do you have a cup of blueberries and an apple every day? Have you cut out all fruit juices, soft drinks and alcohol except red wine? If not, then you now have another strategy,

Good luck.

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why should I do those things when my ratio and all my numbers were better on red yeast rice than if I had taken their statins! The doctor that I had didn't even

comment on my amazing numbers!

My ldl had been 300 and was down to 200 in a very short time! Another docto had the blood work redone to be sure that there was no mistake and it was the same! I can't get at it right now because your darn website has already made me sign in three times and I don't have the time to do it again. They better do something about that!!

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It is best to address the cause rather than the symptom. Half of all people with normal to optimal cholesterol levels still have heart attacks and strokes.

You need to measure your LDL particle number as it is more indicative of CVD risk than LDL-C which is what most doctors measure.

Get a test done called the NMR-Lipoprofile.

Eating healthy and having an active lifestyle also keeps you from getting other chronic diseases such as diabetes, cancer, fatty liver disease, hypothyroidism, alzheimers, arthritis, and on, and on...

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That test was done years ago. I'm 85 and have more than 15 autoimmune diseases including Fibromyalgia, Hashimotos Thyroiditis,Osteoarthritis, COPD, tendonitis, Bursitis, Gout,

Chronic pain, Afib, heart murmur, etc

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I do exercise 6 days a week I eat very clean I don’t drink alcohol and I’m not a great meat eater I don’t drink soda or fruit juice just tea coffee and water I’m at a healthy bmi too so I’m a bit miffed I don’t know what else to do thanks for advise x

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You could have the correct testing for your thyroid ... TSH - FT4 - FT3 and Thyroid anti-bodies TPO & Tg. Sadly the NHS rarely do all these tests - leaving out the most important ones.

I read your post on another forum and just wanted to mention that low mood and raised cholesterol can be linked to LOW thyroid. Happy to help 😊

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Thank you I will ask doc next week x

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.... just bear in mind they do not do all the tests and thousands remain undiagnosed. I have been on Thyroid UK here on HU for seven years with 84,000 members so read of the GP problem daily ! Private Home Testing kits are available and used by 1,000's on the forum. Click onto About Testing in the link below - Special Offers on Thursdays !

thyroiduk.org

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Drs years ago knew the high cholesterol / low thyroid link, if you have high cholesterol get your thyroid bloods tested as Marz’s has suggested, high cholesterol has an inverted effect on low thyroid. Ask Doctor for a printout of all bloods results done and their ranges too. Then a good idea is to pop your results up on Thyroid Uk, here on Health Unlocked for members to help you forward. My husbands cholesterol was 8 he is not worried as he knows lowering your cholesterol with statins means you are lowering your body’s naturally made cholesterol. Why would you need to lower your cholesterol ? Much of your cholesterol is in your brain, so lowering cholesterol could bring on dementia or altzheimers. Drs rarely tell us that taking a statin WILL lower your CoQ10 enzymes. If taking a statin you need to take a good quality CoQ10.

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Your dr is probably not aware of Scottish Dr Malcolm Kendricks The Great Cholesterol/Statin Con. or that Drs years ago before thyroid bloods were available, would treat high cholesterol with low thyroid meds until both cholesterol and low thyroid normalised.

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Thank you

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I don't know why you're concerned with your 5.8 cholesterol level - it isn't a high cholesterol level. If I were you, I'd get the printout of your recent lab tests and, instead of focusing on your 5.8 cholesterol, focus on your Triglycerides, HDL and HbA1C.

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I’m not my nurse is I don’t think it’s high either she concerned coz I’ve done everything to lower it naturally and it’s still not where she would like it to be with my high blood pressure

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Your cholesterol result is fine.

What are the numbers for your Blood Pressure? And the lab results with the ref. ranges of your Triglycerides, HDL, and HbA1C?

If you'd rather not provide them, that's ok.

Good luck.

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Sorry I don’t know all the results I will know more next week she said my blood pressure was ok but I am on meds for that thanks for info

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Blood pressure issues can also be linked to thyroid ... 😊

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You might also try amla berry powder.

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