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Darwinism, Tinnitus and Christianity

Charles Darwin was a great scientist but he struggled with some issues. On his travels he came across a wasp. This was a large variety with a peculiar breeding cycle. It would find a big beetle, cut of it's antennae, then lead in blindly into a small cave. It would then sting it causing it to be paralyzed. The wasp would lay it's egg on the beetle. The eggs would hatch and the grubs would eat the beetle alive. They would grow into wasps and so repeat the cycle. Darwin felt that a loving God would not create such an evil creature.

Clearly the wasp is not evil. It is just doing what it is programmed to do. Darwin then began to do his work around "survival of the fittest". He was much criticised when he published "Origin of the Species"

My point being, what is the point of Tinnitus? Does it give us some edge over our peers? Is it a weakness that stops us spreading our genes. Or, does religion fit in hear somewhere. Was it created by God as some type of punishment?

I go to church most Sunday and each time pray for divine intervention to help with the incessant ringing in my hears.

I do not wish to offend anyone but it would be good to hear your views. Clearly Darwin didn't have T or he would have thought it much worse than the deeds of the wasp!!

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I don't want to offend either Ade - you seem like a decent guy based on a number of your posts. However, I'm entirely secure in my belief that there is no God. Medieval fairy stories I'm afraid.

How can a just and loving God inflict such suffering on his creations?

I'm alive, so when I die, do I go to heaven? Trees are alive as well - do they go to heaven?

I've never been religious, but the more I see of the world, the more secure my atheism becomes.

Like the wasp, tinnitus is just nature going slightly awry.

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Absolutely no offence. Everyone is entitled to their views. The wasp probably does not give a hoot about the poor old beetle. I suppose a bit like some people don't give a hoot about tinnitus. I never until I got it.

Anyway, thanks for taking time to share your view.

Atheist or not, enjoy the Christmas festivities.

Ade

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Interesting post ade. Up until 4 years ago I had spent 32 years of my life going to church at least once a week. I was totally involved and helped out with all activities and groups. Then I had my major op, which brought on the T. Most folk at that church, including the minister (Methodist) forgot that I had ever existed. Needless to say that I never returned..........

I was beginning to doubt my faith before that, so the total lack of caring by church members proved my doubts to be proven.

As to that parasitic wasp - I believe it to be adaptation. There is no Blind Watchmaker - for me - but I respect your opinion. In fact, for every Richard Dawkins book I have read, I have read one which gives opposing views. I used to go to talks by such eminent scientists too.

Tinnitus happens because it happens. Cancer killed 3 of my close family members - it happened. One day there will be a cure; thank goodness we have the BTA fighting our cause. We must be bottom of the list in spending on research.

Best wishes

Angela xx

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Interesting points. I admire people with really strong beliefs. I see them in church each week. They truly believe in God and that they are going to heaven. I feel like a bit of an imposter as I question the whole "life after death" thing and "Jesus being the son of God". On a positive note, I like the warmth of the church and the values associated with it. My church is "happy-clappy" so, whether you believe or not, it is usually good to attend. I keep my doubts to myself.

When you look at the suffering in the world it is easier to not believe than to believe. Sorry to hear about your close family and cancer. That must make you question the whole thing.

I like Ruddboy's point. Tinnitus is just nature gone wrong. This keeps it simple. Also, agree that we are at the bottom of the list for a cure. I can't see that the big drug companies see this as a payday.

Be sure to try and enjoy the Christmas period.

Wishing you peace and quiet.

Ade

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Thanks ade, my children were brought up in the church family - I am a single parent - and it provided them with a strong set of moral values. My son believes, my daughter not.

The comfort of belief can indeed be reassuring but I now consider myself to be a humanist.

My dear cousin is a medium/spiritualist ....... now that is interesting.......

Your posts are always thoughtful ade. I wish you and yours a very happy Christmas and peaceful new year.

Angela xx

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Hi A,

I would be very interested to know your feelings on your cousins, spiritualism or mediumship. Do you think it's something she genuinely believes or is it some sort of method she has learnt as a means of income? Not being rude, genuinely interested.

I don't believe in anything, but 30 years ago I visited a medium out of curiosity and it was unbelievable the things she told me which were impossible for her to know. I've never bothered since, but that experience has always amazed me. That said I don't believe in it!

It's a genuine puzzle to me because of that experience. People have told me they go to colleges to learn how to do it, but no way could she have guessed anything she told me !!!

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I look forward to reading the reply. i know that you don't know what you don't know. there is so much more to this big old universe.

happy Christmas.

ade

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Hi Curlew (and ade),

My dear cousin has never been paid for her mediumship, she is not that type of person. She belongs to a Spiritualist church, as has been the custom for her side of the family for many years. We share great-grandparents on the maternal side, so she is strictly speaking my second cousin, but we have an affinity. Her aura is definitely different and very calming. She is a career PA to a university dean, so you can surmise that she is a very practical, clear minded person.

She can exorcise places of unrested souls. I have not witnessed anything, nor have I asked for her to seek messages from our dear departed. If it happens when I am with her, it will happen, but I don't seek it. She does believe in God and Jesus Christ.

Although I no longer have faith, I do believe that there are dimensions to this universe that we don't know about. I think that the late great Prof Hawking believed this too.

My late mum, up until the last ten years or so of her life would regularly see spirits - sometimes of our departed family and sometimes of people who had some association with the property in which she saw them. She was not frightened up until one night when an incubus appeared during the night, on her bed. My dad had passed a few years before, so she was alone. Mum had to use physical force to get rid of the incubus and was very worried, so I asked our then Methodist Minister - a lovely lady who truly lived her faith - to visit mum. She said prayers in every room and asked my mum to rid the house of magazines which were about Mystic Crystals (or something like that). The Minister said that mum should have a Bible on her bedside table. From that day forward mum saw no more spirits, ever, whether family, good or bad.

I would add too, that although I have never seen spirits, I have seen things happen or appear in mum's presence that were inexplicable. Similarly, as family were fortunate to be at her bedside as mum passed, we believe that our dad was waiting for her in the "white light" as she looked towards it. Whatever one believes, it was very reassuring for our family to see mum content to be reunited with her husband.

ps As I have no wish to be visited, I too always keep my childhood copy of my Bible on my bedside table.

Whatever gives each of us comfort we believe in.

I hope that you find this of interest.

Angela xx

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Very interesting A. There is a lot of food for thought in this world 👍

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If you keep your Bible on your bedside table, is there still room for your SoundOasis? ;-)

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😆Yes indeed! Love the rainfall 😀

Happy Christmas to you and yours

Angela xx

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As I suffer from incredibly loud and overwhelming T, I cant help but wonder these things. Is it my extra sensitivity to micro (radio)waves? Is my brain tissue loaded with nano sized particals of aluminum, silver, lead or magnesium.

Like religion, science is corrupted by trillionaires guarding their fortunes, while they secure global dominance. Truth seekers can only exist in small numbers. As soon as their is a soap box to stand on or billions to make, the truth is impossible to find.

This plays out in the realm of T diagnoses, treatment and even the exploitation of the symptom.

The entire meaning of life can never be comprehended by mere humans. We can only hope to achieve our best, and that may ask of your spiritual side. Something you may never find if you don't ask of it. That spiritual potential can be explained with science especially in the realm of quantum physics.

When we learned to split the atom, we opened up Pandora's box, making anything possible.

With that said, I have pleanty of things that contributed to my health problems that were out of stupidity. I choose not to believe I'm being punished for that.

I also wonder if ET has some connection with god or the internet.

The US military is spending hundred of millions, researching T and they aren't persueing a cure. If you look up people, you will soon hope that their is a god, because a few trillionaires hear on earth are playing god, and what you see, hear, think or believe matters to them but your well being dose not. Perhaps a god or ET would care.

I was in Hawaii when the amber alert told us to take shelter, from an incoming bolistic missile. With 15 minutes to live, I rested with the disappointing idea, that I just don't know the truth. My family is still alive, and I'm thankful to however, for each day as a gift, tinnitus or not.

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A lot to consider. i need to read your words a few more times. Ade

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It's an interesting point, ade-the-pade. Although I think sometimes tinnitus is a marker or a flag - perhaps signalling there's some physical or mental stress on the person, I think sometimes we just have to accept there isn't always a reason for things happening. It's what we do after something has happened that is key - do we try and take control, or do we sit back helplessly waiting for something to happen?

Looking for reasons and not accepting that humans can't control everything is a big driver for why mankind developed religious belief systems, in my opinion. And they are fine if they help people, just not how I want to see the world

Best wishes

Nic

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Hello nic. thank you for taking time to reply. interesting comments. i agree that looking fir answers can be difficult.. Accepting can be even harder.

Merry Christmas to you and your family.

Wishing you peace and quiet.

Ade

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