Is this Terry’s nails?

[CaliRose3]

I’ve noticed for the last 5 months that my nails have been weak and splitting whereas before they were long and strong - then today I found out about this Terry’s nails thing and noticed there’s no half-moon shape at the bottom and there’s a reddish line at the top. I have had liver issues in the past - CMV induced hepatitis 30 years ago and have not been able to tolerate alcohol at all since then. About 15 years ago I had some more symptoms and elevated liver enzymes - one doctor suspected autoimmune hepatitis and another thought it was fatty liver but neither was confirmed - I took lots of liver support herbal remedies and never touched alcohol again and have had normal enzymes since then. Now this weird nail thing is happening

[Koassilator]

I don't concentrate on my man nails. I know I got Cirrhosis.

Picture speaks a thousand words but we can't comment on picture quality nor are we qualified.

But they look like mine after distancing myself. 🤔😜

[CarpeDiem11]

Weak and splitting nails can be a sign of iron deficiency. I can't actually see anything wrong with your nails and no- one has ever looked at my nails during my liver journey. May be a good idea to get your iron levels checked😏

[Koassilator in reply to CarpeDiem11]

My Hep Consultant or rather his 2 i/c reviewed me on my second only visit to the Liver clinic back in Feb this year my 1st back in Apr19 so much for 6 monthly.

He was very thorough more so than his boss.

Physical inspection included checking my hands & nails. No bloods taken to my surprise / dismay. I still got a 👍

Terry can have his nails back anytime.

[CarpeDiem11 in reply to Koassilator]

I can only speak from my own experience, having had liver checks for over 10 years. As for less frequent checks, I always took this as a good sign- it meant I was stable and not a cause for concern. Frequency of checks coincides with more to keep an eye on from my point of view, so the less I see of them the better 😏

[CaliRose3 in reply to CarpeDiem11]

Thank you for replying. I guess I should go and get checked. I’m embarrassed to go to the doctor in the middle of coronavirus though and say “well I’m here because my fingernails look weird” -

[CarpeDiem11 in reply to CaliRose3]

Don't be embarrassed, they aren't seeing enough people because everyone is staying away. If they can't see you, you won't be given an appointment Simples! They can put your mind at rest and relieve your anxiety, which in the long term is better for you anyway. Just think of it this way, how easy will it be to get an appointment once they open the door again to everyone? Good luck😊 Also, in person they will be a better judge than any of us looking at a photo.

[davianne]

Hi,

We get quite a lot of Terry's Nails questions here, so I looked on Dr Google, just out of interest, and it turns out that I have them, but I couldn't comment on yours, as I'm no expert, just a cirrhosis sufferer. There seems to be a lot of variation though.

David

[CaliRose3 in reply to davianne]

Thank you for taking the time to reply. What do your nails look like then? I googled it too and cant decide whether mine are it or not - the red band looks a bit weird. I guess if it is terry’s nails it might be the beginning of it and mild so far and I should probably go to the doctor and get liver and iron checked out.

[davianne in reply to CaliRose3]

Hi, mine definitely looked like some on the images tab when I googled it.

White at the root, then a red band half way up the nail, and then normal for the rest , but the position of the red band varies nail to nail. It seems from the pictures, they are all different. I'm not bothered by it, just another symptom, but only cosmetic.

David

[Koassilator in reply to davianne]

Can't run after you like a fool would do

But mama didn't raise no fools and I should know

That baby, you got it, heh

That's all I can say. Sir Rosis. 😜

[davianne in reply to Koassilator]

AAAHHHhhhh, I've been Koassilator'd 🤣🤣🤣

I never thought I'd get involved in Terry's Nails, they must be contagious 😊💅💅💅

[alfredthegreat in reply to davianne]

You probably got them from me. Mine are nearly gone. A trouble shared...………….. LOL.

[davianne in reply to alfredthegreat]

Thanks Alf.......your too kind ❗❗🤣🤣

[alfredthegreat in reply to davianne]

Think nothing of it!

[Koassilator in reply to alfredthegreat]

I scratch your back you .....🤔

[Koassilator in reply to alfredthegreat]

Brother Lee LV 🙄

[Koassilator in reply to davianne]

Life's a bitch with cirhssss💅. 😜

[ThreeSmiles in reply to CaliRose3]

Don’t we all have red bands - I do and I’ve got a “new” liver 😀👍

[alfredthegreat in reply to ThreeSmiles]

Actually my toe nails were absolutely white, opaque, they have nearly grown out now since my new liver

[Koassilator in reply to alfredthegreat]

Wots afoot 🙄

[alfredthegreat in reply to Koassilator]

There's usually trouble afoot I know that

[davianne in reply to ThreeSmiles]

Miles, trust you to mention Russian Musicians 😕😕😕

David

[ThreeSmiles in reply to davianne]

Well used to have them, but not since I got isolated ......

[Koassilator in reply to davianne]

Nailed it bro. 🙄

[ThreeSmiles in reply to Koassilator]

😀😀😀

[Koassilator]

Too late but you can turn your e-nail notification off.

Now this weird nail thing is happening

Related Tags can't just point the finger at me.

🤔

[Koassilator]

Terry's Nails

If your nails look mostly opaque but have a dark band at the tips, you may have a condition called Terry's nails. This nail condition can be a sign of malnutrition, but is also caused by aging, congestive heart failure, diabetes or liver disease, according to the NHS.UK website.

It's an indication of an underlying condition which you can address in good time, cause "The Doctor will see you know," bit isn't working well atm. 🤔

[CaliRose3]

Thank you for replying. I’ve found pictures of Terry’s nails that look exactly like my nails so I definitely have it - since I’ve had liver issues in the past I’m guessing that has come back or got worse if it even went away. But I’ll have to see what the doctor says. But yeah - going to the doctor right now is not ideal 😊

[Hidden in reply to CaliRose3]

Hi, did you find out what you had?

[CaliRose3 in reply to Hidden]

Well the doctor said my nails were fine and right after she said that I got a severely inflamed liver and I had nausea and rashes all over - then they said I had gallstones and one had escaped and was blocking my bile duct which caused the liver inflammation and reflux. Then they did an ERCP but the reflux just got massively worse after that and now its constant and I have a weird burning acid-y sour sensation in my mouth and throat all the time. Am having more bloodwork done and another endoscopy. My nails still don’t look right to me and they have ridges and are soft and break and split easily which has never happened in my life before. My nails looking weird was the first symptom I had but linking all these things up and getting to the bottom of what is actually going on is a task beyond me. Doctors don’t seem that interested in figuring it out either. I had a gallstone moving (and blocking the bile duct) and it was really really painful and I was scared - I called 111 and the doctor told me I was having “health anxiety”

[Hidden in reply to CaliRose3]

Sorry to hear that.. did they rule out cirrhosis after scans etc? Are you feeling better apart from the nails-are you still in pain?

[CaliRose3 in reply to Hidden]

I don’t have cirrhosis - I was just severely nauseous, exhausted, and covered in a bad rash for 2 months but then that got better and I was left with the reflux. Not much pain really - just discomfort mostly and sometimes the odd sharp pain from the gallstones. Thank you for asking

[Kakey in reply to CaliRose3]

Did they take your gallbladder out? I had the same thing, and got my gallbladder removed. You have my sympathy, I remember the terrible pain, and it was years ago.

Do you have medication? I got Omeprazole (acid reduction) and Amytriptylene, which I can't spell. I thing you should try to push for some acid reduction, you shouldn't have to wait for the endoscopy results.

All I can say is that not all doctors are good doctors, that doctor gaslighted you, and it's a disgrace. It's distressingly common.

Best wishes x

[CaliRose3 in reply to Kakey]

They put me on a list for gallbladder removal but with the whole covid thing I don't know how long that will take. They are sending me for more blood tests tomorrow. I tried Nexium and it didn't do anything at all I dont know why. Its not super painful most of the time just uncomfortable with some twinges of sharp pain here and there. Have you been fine since the gallbladder removal then? Can you eat everything ok? Yeah it was upsetting to call 111 and have her say it was health anxiety when I had such pain. Thank you for the support though - definitely helps x

[Kakey]

I still had a lot of pain after I had my GB out, but it didn't affect what I could eat.

My lfts were sky high at the time, I was admitted to hospital and my gallbladder removed while there. Pre COVID, of course.

[CaliRose3 in reply to Kakey]

Thank you - I’m so glad you are feeling better now. I hope I can get mine all sorted soon too x

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