Dear All
I was hoping to load this article on carbonated drinks being bad for your Liver but as usual I'm not brill with iT so hopefully this is the correct link should you wish to read!
Please comment!!
Https://health.com.nutrition or nhs.mhtml
Love
Shropshirelass
PS I've managed to down load onto my phone but the blummin thing wont open! I will try and sort from.my main computer later ....grrrrr . My pet hate is IT as you can see ! 🤣
Me too, I'm useless with it!! The lads dread me doing anything on laptop, computer etc 😂 xxxx
It's weird but I can normally sort most things on my computer , however I do scream for help at least once a month and Derek always comes to the rescue him being fairly up on most IT stuff !
His new thing is controlling all the TV's throughout the house, controlling the lighting plus my electric blanket and updating the food shopping list via Alexa ! Do you think he's bored or just loving this new technology?
Technology!! That's definitely a man thing!! Xxxx
Metageek. 😜
I guessed you'd be Ofeck! Men and there toys 🤣🤣🤣
Your links don’t work for me - server can’t be found. Not sure now where your pdf is located? Found this generic NHS one...
But maybe this is the one you meant?
nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/g...
See para:-
“Choose the right drinks to ease digestion”
Nope ....I've just typed into the web Daily Telegraph Fizzy Drinks and Fatty Liver!
So far two articles dated 2009 and 2015 came up....
I will try and sort later when I've sorted Lola and Lenny out!
Thanks for trying to help....
There is also an NHS article referring to the same thing ...
I must stop searching from.my phone ...
😁
nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-e...
Hey Trish,
if it's the above link I hope I've pasted correctly , then the NHS review is questioning what conclusions can be drawn from the small study. What is of further interest is whether carbonated drinks increase appetite (even water) and therefore have an indirect impact on weight gain.
Apologies if I quoted wrong study but the NHS quotes the Telegraph newspaper.
Best
Chris x
Chris
That's a very interesting article indeed but it's not the one I read earlier. I'm now starting to believe I was dreaming the whole article thing😊
So are you saying the link isn’t the one you wanted - odd because it talks about the effects of fizzy drinks....
Miles
Your definately on the correct track.👍 but its not the article I read earlier. I'm now starting to believe I dreamt the whole thing.....👎
Whoops the funny farm van has just arrived to take me away 🤣🤣
What, only now 😀
Whoops did I forget to mention my weekly admission 😂🤪
Hi All
I've amended my heading to state carbonated drinks from water as I'm struggling to find the original article ....
However fizzy carbonated drinks of any kind are of concern if your a regular drinker!
Shropshirelsss
I mentioned diet coke belly last year after studying the content including caffeine & artificial sweeteners. I was drinking it neat 2 litres daily.
Water wether carbonated or not is still water. 😜 InIT.
2 Ltrs a day 👎my you were an addict!
Lucky me as I never joined the coke brigade 😁
Neat coke zero mind you, that's when I started leaving out the mixer. It's coffee now good & bad. 🤔
Ha! Ha!🙂
After 37 years of no coffee or tea I'm now trying Clipper Super Special Organic Decaf from Waitrose which a friend recommend. I add a little honey and so far no acute migraines!🤣 it's my special coffee treat now and then after so many years without! 👍
Is this good or bad?
No more than five cups daily re Blood pressure & sleep.
But I don't count. 🙄
Was that ☕☕☕☕☕ Or ☕☕☕☕☕l🤪
Tea and coffee are good for you Trish. Stick to the decaffeinated brands. I drink Earl Grey and Lady Grey no milk no sugar no caffeine. And coffee with skimmed milk no sugar. Orange juice, skimmed milk and tap water. Thats my limit. I hate all fizzy drinks, can't stand that feeling in my mouth and up my nose !🤭🤧🤮
Hi laura
I normally drink hot water with a small amount of ginger cordial, chopped stem ginger in hot water, oxo, lemon in hot water or the odd decaf coffee now with organic honey as a treat.
I dislike the taste of tea and i'm not to keen on milk either unless its icy cold with cereals and then it's only a small amount.
I dislike milk because when small my dad gave us warm milky drinks before bed which I disliked with vengeance!👎
I do drink cranberry and fresh orange juice with bits which I love👍
😘
Ditch the oxo, its just a cube of salt, very bad. As well as being addictive, it causes dehydration and water retention, something else which need to be avoided with liver conditions
OMG. You 'aint kidding. Per sachet 710 mg or 30% sodium. I'm thinking there is a low salt version. There are for cartoned broths. Husband's dietician warned, however, against misleading labelling for the lower salt versions of so many food items too. Shropshire's treats sound very nice though.
Yep deadly stuff. I was given a list of food stuffs to be avoided when my husband's liver disease was diagnosed. Salt sugar and alcohol were right at the top of the list !
I was expressly told to avoid stock cubes and that wasn’t even the dietician. They are definitely bad news for liver disease.
Cheers Laura
Lucky me as I only have one or so a year ..... but will omit totally
X
Hi Laura,
I have marmite every day, and you started to worry me about it's salt content. I just found out it has only 0.5 gm of salt per serving which doesn't seem to bad, I think???? It also contains loads of vitamins, in particular B12 and folic acid, and is low in fat as well. Info from Wikipedia. So it seems OK for cirrhosis sufferers.
David
Yes there is more goodness in marmite than oxo cubes.... you either love it or you hate it !
I discovered it when I was looking for a healthier alternative to my garlic sausage in my lunch sarnie😊😊😊
Only ever tried marmite once 40 years ago I guess and hated it then ! Do you think my taste buds could have changed to liking it? Emmm
Veggie might. 🤔
Are you testing my knowledge Ofeck with it being left over Aussie brewers yeast 🤣
The Guardian
Veggie might
Paul Gayler, Britain's leading expert on vegetarian dishes, tests meat-free food. 🤔
Vegemite is similar to British Marmite, New Zealand Marmite, Australian Promite, MightyMite😜, AussieMite, OzEmite, German Vitam-R, and Swiss Cenovis.
Well researched Ofeck👍😁
Good morning Trish you lovely lass..
Yeah you don't have to drink a lot of Alcohol to have Cirrhosis.
Carbonated drinks such as Coke ,Lucozade etc are especially bad for you, because of the high Sugar Content..
Even Biscuits ,white bread and white rice are bad for your Liver.Avoid all red meat. OOOH I love a nice big Steak.But haven't had one now for about 6 weeks, because about 20 minutes after eating it..
Oh boy do I suffer.
Fish like Salmon and Sardines are good for your liver. Apparently one of the best things that helps to Detox the Liver is
Beetroot .I love Beetroot anyway. My Hubby buys fresh Beetroot and cooks it himself. I eat it like i'd eat an apple.
Blackcurrant juice is very good for you. It helps to Detox the liver,so is fresh orange juice also lemon juice.
My Daughter in law has a Fatty Liver and she's started getting problems. But she's never drank a drop of Alcohol. She can't even stand the smell of it. I Love the smell of Captain Morgans red rum ,but she can't stand it..Its her diet that's causing her problem..She eàts loads of red meat and cakes,chocolate,biscuits,pasties sweets,.
Everything that's bad for her..She's in a U.K Size 22 and she's only 33 years old...
The only thing that worries me is that my Son have started to eat the same..
He's got a Liver problem,a Heart valve problem, hes also Diabetic and got Sleep Apnea along with a few other health issues.. PHEW.
Anyway Trish, how are you doing..???
Hope you're okay!!!
Love & ((((HUGS )))).Glo
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Gosh Glo. That is very worrying. Has she tried changing her eating habits, rather than influencing your son to eat like that too? A healthy diet and exercise will prevent a vast amount of chronic illnesses from occurring but it's not to late to start and turn it all around.
Laura x
I know Laura. I've been going on to my Son about what he's putting in his mouth. Like the other morning,he had a bloody big Cornish Pasty for his breakfast. He's such a loving,caring Son. Always telling me how much he loves me and ringing me up to see how I am. He's also got ongoing Mental Health issues from when he was ran over by a lorry when he was working on the motorway. He had Life changing injuries,really went through it. I can see that I'm gonna have to have words with his Mrs.I don't want to argue with her because I know that it would only upset him..
But she does all the shopping. Then just leaves it where he can get his hands on it.
Oh I'll just see what i can do.
You Take Care.
Love & ((((Hugs ))))Glo.xx
Again it's an addiction .... sugary and fatty foods are addictive and cause as much, if not more, damage to the body and internal organs. Being greatly overweight puts a massive amount of strain on the joints and spine, causing athritis and damage to the bone and consequently severe pain... are all those crisps, cakes and pastries really worth it? Put rubbish in your body you will feel rubbish. Sad but true ! Hope you can persuade them to look after themselves properly.
Laura x
Hi Glo
Your son definately sounds like a loving lad and I'm so sorry to read about his awful accident! I can now see why he loves you so much as your definately a caring and loving mum!
Pasty for breakfast ..emmm tasty but not good. However I have eaten left over curry for breakfast once when much younger ! I'm not sure I would do it now ...lol
Love Trish xxx
Hi Trish, yes i do Love my Son very much. I worry about him as well because he's on his own quite a lot..With his mental issues his head goes to places that it shouldn't go to.
He's just under 6 ft and before the damn accident he was such a hardworking lad. He'd walk down the road and all the girls used to fancy him because he was handsome, really muscular and a real nice lad. Now he's stuck in the house most of the time. He can't do manly work anymore and I know it's getting to him. I don't want to be an overbearing Mum. But I can't stop worrying about him,even though when I speak to him on the phone I'll ask him how he is. He always says Oh im alright Mum. But I know that he's not alright because I can hear it in his voice. If anything happens to him,well that's me done for as well. Oh i gotta stop thinking like this.
I can remember as well,many years ago. Me and my Hubby eating leftover curry for breakfast Because we'd, ordered too much the night before after a night out over the club.( Happy Days ). I couldn't do it now though. We've got 3 Sons Trish,but this one is our 1st born, and when I think of what could have happened ,Ooh it hits me right in the stomach.I know I'm rabbiting on a bit ( A Lot ).Thanks for being there for me. Love Glo.xx
Hi Glo
Cheers for another great message but not so on your daughter in laws weight!
I'm starting to wonder whether some of today's generation are literally walking around with blinkers on with regards to there weight! I know there are medical conditions causing weight gain that cannot be controlled but when I go to collect my 6 year granddaughter from school each week I'm sorry to say this but I'm appalled to see nunerous 3 year olds who have literally doubled size over numerous months alongvwithbthete mothers.
I'm sorry if anyone thinks badly of me for mentioning the above but I watch these we ones pouring coke or other cheap fizzy drinks and crisps down there throats whilst waiting for there over weight brothers sisters. I'm sorry I'm on my soap box but I do feel passionate about this subject.
Dont get me wrong my kids had chocolate and crisps etc but in small quantities.
I'm sure all schools should run a weekly
class in nutrition and fitness as part of there curriculum from a young age!
Re your son, would he take offense if you mentioned your concerns or will he hide his head in the sand ?
Oh well I'm stepping off my box now !
Cheers again for your note
Love Trish
Hey Trish you could be right about some of this day's generation walking around with Blinkers on. I think that perhaps they haven't got a mirror either. Some of the young Mums do pick their Children up from School and head straight to the Chippy that is only about a 10 minute walk away..They come our with a carrier bag full of whatever and sit on the benches just outside the Chippy. The Children are gorging on sausages,chips and whateve else is in the bag. I know sometimes it's handy if you're pushed for time. But this happens most days..
It's the same in the Hospital's.
Some of the Nurses are humungous.
They should set a good example not waddle around out of breath because of how big they are..
My Son have put on a lot of weight.
I don't think he'd take offence if I had a word with him about his diet. But I also know that he wouldn't want to upset his Mrs. Mind you,, if he told her that I'd mentioned about his weight gain and she went off on one about me.I know that he won't have a word said about me. The same as i won't have a word said about him. Thats just the way we are. But I don't want them to be having words either...
I'll sort it out somehow..
Nighty Night Trish 😊. Glo.xx has
Thanks for raising this as a discussion Trish.
Last February we promoted our 'Fizz free february' and highlighted new research published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, that revealed that a diet low in sugary food and drinks results in significant improvement in non-alcohol related fatty liver disease (NAFLD) in children aged 11 to 16 years old.
Here is the link to our press release if you'd like to read more:
britishlivertrust.org.uk/av...
Trust1
Thank you Trust 1
I found this interesting reading which I shall share on my Facebook page!
Trish
Since my husband’s diagnosis he has started eating sweets, biscuits and fizzy drinks despite never having touched them in his life ☹️
That's not good Pam. All he's done is swap one cirrhosis inducing addiction for another !!
L x
I know I have tried to tell him he has told the doctor and the dieticians but they let him get on with it they have said it isn’t great and that’s it. I need them to say stop he isn’t listening to me and I can’t keep fighting him.
Well they can't control what he's putting in his body they don't live with him. All they can do is tell you what he should be eating. Whose buying this stuff? Like the alcohol it shouldnt be in the house. He's never going to recover if he carries on like this
I'm sorry to hear that your hubby has taken the sweet tooth route which is a tough one to advise on!'
As we all know your husband is the only one who's able to make that decision to stop!' May I ask who does the food shopping ?
When I'm struggling with cravings of sweetness I replace these with something else which is usually somekind of spicy food ! If it has to be sweet then some cucumber sticks with a chilli sweet dip or a small square of chilli chocolate...
I'm sorry I cannot advise any further and hope your husband come to his senses !
Good luck and take care
Love Trish x
I get the food, he buys the biscuits and sweets etc. I a, hoping the Heptologist will be more blunt with him he sure isn’t listening to me about the sweets etc or the smoking which he has started after 11 of not smoking.
Oh dear .... it's all not good which ever route he goes down ... sweets drink or smoking which are all costly bad habits!
I'm here
Love Trish xxx
I know sometimes I could cry but daren’t in case I can’t stop
Honestly I do understand how your feeling as I've been there ! I bet sometimes you wish you could be in a room totally alone as you feel scared to even say the most kindest thing when you know he's going to chew your head off!
I found myself not wanting to go anywhere with him and eventually did my own thing ... I took up martial arts to defend myself .....sad I know but it came in handy 3 years later after 6 previous years of crap!
Unfortunately after nursing him through quadruple heart by pass and defending myself he left. He died not long after with cirrhosis following a coronary attack!
Please try and hang on in there but there is only so much anyone can take! Also everyones situation is different! Abuse is a no no in my books from anyone...
Love Trish
Thanks, since he has been ill his temper hasn’t been as bad as when he was drinking but he can still sulk and not speak for days if he doesn’t get his way and that ain’t fun
I cut off my husbands cash supply. All cards put in my name. As I've said before .. tough love. But it does sound to me as though he doesn't want to live .... that's his choice
L x
He doesn’t know what he is doing
If /when he gets to transplant assessment, they will take a dim view of him smoking and eating rubbish as he is showing no signs that he would be able to assure or persuade the transplant team that he will respect or take care of a donor liver and would not be a deserving case to go on the list. Quite rightly the rules are very strict.
I agree I have told but he seems to think he isn’t that ill to need a transplant there and I am nervous of spelling things out in black and white in case I completely demoralise him. He is eating huge amounts and as he never used to touch them before. The smoking started just prior to getting into hospital when he really wanted to die and didn’t care. He says he will stop I just hope the Heptologist spells it out to him. He has so little appetite I think the gp etc felt that eating some sweets and biscuits were the least of his problems but to him that means it is ok. The fizzy drinks only started a few weeks ago but that seems to be waning. I a, getting to the dentist next week so once that is sorted he should be able to eat more chewy food so hopefully his eating will pick up.
You are talking clearly here of a man who:-
Does not like himself
Does not respect himself and, the most important of all, he does not love himself. He also probably believes no-one else could possibly love him either so “what’s the point”. Well, the truth is, he and every other addict (including myself) is worth something to others and probably he needs constant reassurance from others that he is part of his own responsibility for himself. He also needs to know that loving oneself is part of the process of rehabilitation from addiction. Only then will he have the desire, willpower and motivation to seek other alternatives. Does he need counselling? It has always been my experience that a loving partner or spouse, who gives a lot of positive affirmations, instead of negative criticism, can have more of a beneficial effect on the addict’s self perception than any good counsellor. The important thing, never take away his own power to control his own life by emasculating him, thereby making his decisions for him. I hope this viewpoint helps?????
Yes it does thank you. When he was first admitted back in May last year they were so concerned at his depression but have done nothing about it. Once they realised he wasn’t physically dependent on alcohol they seemed to think that was alright. His depression kicked off two years before when his estranged daughter contacted him after ten years to announce she had cancer he also discovered he had a one year old granddaughter after a couple of visits and phone calls she cut him off again. Although felt able to call when the for sale board went up outside our house. I am trying to support him and work full time, it is hard I am having another op myself this month and it is taking its toll on me now if I am honest.
Your so correct Laura!
A doctor of mine told me that craving sweets was very common when giving up alcohol.
I'd have to look again but I think it was dark chocolate that was an approved food on the sheet given to him by his dietician. And, my husband enjoys it. The chocolate has no or very little sodium. Some are high in iron and fibre, etc. Many aren't high in sugars.
My husband enjoys snacking on fresh pineapple most days so he gets some of his sugar fix that way, fortunately, along with some other fresh fruits.
There are also some tasty sugar-free or sugar-reduced candies and desserts out there too if your husband might consider those?
If anyone told my husband that he couldn't have anything he enjoyed after having done so well with trying and doing so well with avoiding alcohol, he very likely would just say screw that and order in the alcohol again. He suggested doing that the other day. Out of boredom, it appears. I said, please don't. That would be unwise. He didn't. Yes, they are definitely more cooperative when sober! TG.
It seems for many that giving up alcohol requires a replacement hand to mouth habit.
I hope that you both can enjoy your weekend and things look up.
Hi Dee
Strangely my husband has started to snack on pineapple. I was a little worried about the sugar free sweet as I am sure I read they can cause stomach upsets and he gets those anyway and I didn’t want to add to his discomfort.
Good point about the sugar free treats. Best to research that a bit or ask the consultant. Was just throwing out suggestions. I loved those when dieting. There were some good options in the freezer sections of supermarkets.
This pineapple habit/craving is new since diagnosis for my spouse as well. My guy started with watermelon. He likes the fresh little mandarin oranges too. Acidic fruits were definitely bothering him when he felt more ill though.
Yup same here he likes the satsumas we get at Christmas time and clementines the last ones we had were quite sharp though so he has gone on to oranges now.
He gets on the way back from hospital or doctors I know I should refuse stop but then I have to live with his anger and honestly I can’t handle it I know I am being weak but living with him and his temper or sulks I can’t do it.
Oh sorry BS1524
Somehow I forgot the major part about your hubbies drinking too ! Like Laura I truly understand where your coming from as I've been there for many years!
Just like my earlier comment, only your hubby can make that decision and if his addiction is so strong there's nothing you can do if he won't listen.
I truly feel for you and I'm here if you need to talk by PM!
Love Trish xxx
Ok, so carbonated drinks may make you want to eat more. So what if you eat more veggies? Do you still get fat?
It wasn't drinking carbobated water that put the weight on me. It was the big bags of crisps and grab bags of sweets I'd consume copiously every day 🤣🤣🤣.
I still drink the carbonated water but no longer have the big portions of crisps and sweets. Guess what, even with maintaining my use of carbonated water I've still lost weight. How does that figure with the research? 🤣🤣🤣
I think the lesson here is taking everything in context and applying a bit of common sense. Drinking fizzy water wont make you fat!
Hi. We aren't just talking about carbonated water or fizzy drinks, crisps, sweets and junk food re weightloss its about the damage they cause to the liver, be it already cirrhotic, or showing signs of damage . Since this is a LIVER forum not slimming world
Hi Laura, yeah, I am aware of what we are talking about. Sad sod that I am I went and read the article 🤣🤣🤣.
You can actually read the findings of the study slightly differently to that which is set out. It's the same result but worded in a different order. Read it like this:
"The study found that in the rats that ate more and weighed more there was more fat in the liver. It's just so happened that the fatter rats were the ones that had the fizzy drinks"
What is being reported is the same. The results are the same. It's just the emphasis on the wording is different.
So is it the carbonation that led to the fatty liver deposits or the fact the rats were fatter?
Hence my point about weight gain in my original response. Hope that helps clarify my point. Sorry for being a bit obscure originally.
The artical is enlightening and is possibly why every diet says to drink water but i drink mainly water and still have fatty liver but it is somthing i can change with my baby i can reduce her pop xxxxx
As Laura asked surely not pop for your baby?
My baby is ten but as my other kids have kids of there own shes my baby sorry lol no shes only been drinking pop on rare ocassions for last 2 years lol just read it back see how people can get confused especialy when i saw a child in a pram too young to walk with an energy drink was gobsmacked
Wow I must say you gave me a shock! To be honest all fizz drinks should be totally banned until adult hood or banned all together
Thanks for clearing up the confusion !
Lol I forget that cos she’s my baby in realistic terms she’s almost adolescencent I will watch my phrasing in future xxxxxx
Why?
Ok I'll re phrase my comment .... all sugary fizzy drinks should be banned for good for everyone including sugary substitute which in my book are horrid anyway .
Does this answer your why.... maybe not lol
PS missed my smiley face off as I wasnt fully awake earlier ..lol
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Amended reply below as I'm now almost fully awake .😁😁😁
Trish,
You can't ban ALL fizzy drinks, that's not fair, so can you exclude soda water from the banned substances of harm. So many of us here like our Soda and Lime😋😋😋
Your wish is granted along with my low cal tonic water! 😊
Bubble Shooter. Father in law got the nickname, Bubbles. 🤯
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