Which leads me to believe there will be more covering up being done, glossing over the figures to present a rosier story.
How many times have we seen stories of remarkable recoveries, many of which have patients being on ventilators for perhaps up to a couple of months.
We don't hear the unfortunate stories of those that eventually die after an extended time on ventilators. Those people will now not count as Covid-19 fatalities under this new way of counting. 6 plus 6 will now apparently equal ten?
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I know what you are saying but I think if people are intubated they will have covid tests at certain intervals to check if they are still positive during their time on ventilation so most would be within the 28days? However 60 days seems fairer because Some patients have been extubated and died after 28 days (after becoming covid negative) .
But even so, Covid would still be the cause of death. Without contracting Covid they would still be alive.
If someone is in a fight, gets injured in a fight and dies of that injury with in a year, then the attacker is guilty of murder. To me that is double standards.
What a ridiculous idea! Why not use the cause of death listed on the death certificate or the attending physician statement? But instead to say 21 or 28 days have past, since COVID test, so poof! patient didn’t die of COVID. Politicians could drive one to drink....
I think it is termed as damage limitation exercise, more smoke and mirrors. If only they would put their energy and resources into constructive use to help us, the people, instead of themselves.
Morning 2greys and although you are talking 100% sense ,you've put your finger on the one and only statistic, that this Government, or indeed any other, and that is damage limitation , to gloss over the true figures and fob us stupid fools(as that's what they must think of us) with THEIR interpretation of the figures rather than taking figures and facts together. I'm not sure if or how any of us can get this drummed into people. The majority of folk have no idea of the information available, apart from what they quickly read the headlines etc but it's not the actual truth they're reading.
"Gasp ".......'coz how do we continually let ourselves believe the headlines and don't dig deeper...."Gasp"!!
A difficult one this. I have read previously that people who had COVID and recovered were being reported as dying from it within so many days even if they died in an accident or from another unrelated reason, hence higher figures. Therefore putting a cut off date on it would seem to make more sense. Having said that, I agree that there are many people who exceed the time limit but still die of COVID. The main thing for us to remember is that, whatever the number of deaths, it is still out there waiting to get the unwary!
Covid does not stop with the respiratory system, it can damage all the other vital organs as well, it might take months to die from renal failure or heart failure that has been directly caused by Covid. But the same criteria has to apply, without contracting Covid they would still be alive.
A huge mistake was made by labeling Covid a respiratory disease, it is patently not.
I agree with you, 2greys, but the problem with any statistics is that you can make them say anything you want however the information is collated. I don't think we will ever truly know what is going on. Certainly, this is much more than a 'lung disease' as so many have died from other complications, even those who started off fit and well.
We just have to take as much care as we can and use our common sense. We don't have to believe everything the government tells us, but I DO believe we are all still at risk, so, as they say, 'Be alert' (as the old joke goes, 'This country needs Lerts!)
Most of the drugs for treatment are immune-suppressive and they delay the death by suppressing the immune system without reducing the viral load. However, the immune system rebound with higher fatality. Thus most of the drug trials use 28-day mortality as a measure to cleverly hide the higher death rate rather than recovery from the hospital. The Measure to count death only at 28 days is an attempt to make the drug work all impressive in the clinical settings.
Next attempt will be only Count the death by respiratory failure which will make them miracle drugs. Money for drug companies, Restoration of pride for the medical community, and kudos for government a Win-Win-Win formula for everyone. What else the world wants?
Am tempted to take any govt announcement re covid deaths with a pinch of salt -there were undoubtedly many deaths in care homes from covid 19 which were not attributed to this disease due to lack of testing.
Statistics don't make the heartache of losing someone any easier....end of rant .
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