Now it may be me with too much time on my hands as I am sheilding and spend a lot of time rummaging through my own thoughts....but i dont trust this government's figures one iota. Nor to be honest most other goverments figures either. I think they are being manipulated ...i honestly think that they are all going for herd immunity as it all boils down to economy... money over lives.....a bit like the majority of the populations are mere cannon fodder fir the sake of economics and capitalism.
They can honestly up to it, as it would be tantamount to mass slaughter as such and would cause civil unrest.
So by lots of countries all fiddling figures..none doing the same calculation basis its all smoke and mirrors.
I think far more people have had it...and they are all playing the numbers game.
All looking like they have our best interests at heart.... but do they?
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Holding your hand today Sassy. It was me in the doldrums a few days ago. It is hard, hard for everybody. On those days I pull my head inside my shell and watch lots of Father Brown. XX
Bless you for your kind words dear friend. I think I’ll do that too as I enjoy Father Brown. We’ll hold each other’s hands Littlepom and that includes everyone who needs a little help sometimes.
Sassy59 we are all here for one another. Some days just right now ,are showing a few fine line cracks but must soldier on, because to think of a second peak in fatalities , well i just can't begin to go there. X🐿🌈💕
Yes dear coral12, you are right. It is very frightening especially if, like most of us on here, either care for or have themselves a respiratory issue etc. That's not forgetting all the other illnesses that folk have and how anxious and worrried they must feel. I wish the Government would stop banging on about how they're "ramping up" the test, trace and track method but they seem to be so damn slow in putting what they say into practice. Fighting an invisable enemy is always going to be a hard battle but we are a resilient bunch in the UK and this is what i keep reminding myself. Onwards and upwards ..... although not refering to any of those hideous graph chart thing-a-me-gig's they shove at us in the daily COVID19 updates, lol 😷🤔😩!!!!!
My take is that it doesn’t matter which course you take (and stats can be manipulated to suit), since about 80% have to get it, then it is at this point the true death/survival ratio will be known, barring any highly unlikely vaccine as there are a few strains of this virus.
In America, I believe hospitals get $13000 for saying someone had Covid19 and $39000 if ventilator was also used.
I do not trust them either. When asked a direct, poignant question by the press or public, the Gov. minsters never ever make a reply to the question, but go off repeating the same old rant of their well established mantra, like a cracked record.
I've said this before, Why are they not leading by example. "Go back to work", yet parliament remains empty of the MP's, why are they not back at work? Nothing more than "Do as I say, not as we do!
If you watch this report you will see some stark truths. Watch Matt Hancock with his reply to whether the families of the dead in care homes deserve an apology. Totally despicable and shows the sheer contempt the Gov. have towards the public. Watch for the lies over PPE and the, basically denial of care homes to PPE. My partner can testify it is all true as well.
I have a Niece in USA who deems this is all false !(Silly Girl) My friend who is German has Just this minute replied to a Post about Germany having Tripled their Numbers since coming out of Lock Down, Says not True. A Man in Egypt? went out to Tell everyone to get out of Lock Down, he has since Died, of COVID, before he passed he knew his father & Son have the Virus. Little Stories are like Whispers that do every one Harm(see how I omitted the word "Chinese"), We, the Most Vulnerable of Lung Disease, have to Get on with our Lives, and do what we can for Each Other as Littlepom says to Sassy Holding Hands, I know this is our way of staying Together, Staying Strong, and NOT, to get too Downhearted by Headlines. I'm holding your Hand regardless of all the Negativity going around. Lots of Love & Best Wishes to you All Dear Friends. Stay Strong. XXX C
It’s a very difficult one. In lots of respects I feel they government has made the best of a bad job. They have warned those of us who are most vulnerable that we are vulnerable, organised food boxes ( such as they were, ) paid 80% of people’s wages to secure their jobs, cancelled rates for businesses, stopped people from being evicted due to rent areas, secured and paid for extra ventilators, built extra hospitals, put huge amounts into research, built labs for testing and test production. All of this costs money.
In return, they have asked healthy people to return to work where it is safe for them to do so.
And yes, we have to stay inside.
The alternative? We could go out and get ill and go see St Peter.
Workers could stay home. The country could go bust. People would lose their jobs, their homes. Prices would go up astronomically. Pensions and benefits would be cut. The future would be bleak.
As for the situation in care homes. That is absolutely tragic. My heart goes out to anyone who has a loved one in a home right now. Someone or many someones need to explain how this happened.
Not Matt Hancock. We need to remember that most homes in the U.K. a run by private firms. Why didn’t they provide PPE? How come they don’t know about barrier nursing? It doesn’t matter if it is Covid or plain ordinary flu, the elderly need to be barrier nursed. Not having tests is no excuse.They are happy to charge a fortune and line their pockets, but not train their staff or purchase the relevant equipment.
"We need to remember that most homes in the U.K. a run by private firms. Why didn’t they provide PPE? How come they don’t know about barrier nursing?"
The answer to that is in that video. Care homes were denied access to PPE, they could not buy it for want of trying. The care homes do know all about barrier nursing, but that cannot be done without the proper PPE, PPE that needs changing before entering each resident's room and coming into contact with them.
They need hundreds of PPE items per day, one set of PPE per visit which then has to be disposed of, a new set for the next resident and so on. That is how barrier nursing has to take place. Without proper PPE the virus will tear through a care home like a wild fire, which is what has happened. Let alone without the staff catching it as well. Proper PPE? a flimsy thin apron, gloves and a surgical mask?
Sharon caught it and then passed it onto myself, as a result she had to be quarantined for three weeks. 3 weeks away from work putting an extra strain on the other members of staff. Since returning back to work she is now doing 5 x 14 hour shifts, a 70 hour week at 60 years old! She also has to fit in caring for me, as I am all but useless, still very slowly recovering myself. Making myself a cup of coffee or a sandwich is about my limit, cooking is out of the question.
I don't think you quite understand what is happening in our care homes and why.
Fair comment 2 greys. I was just making the point that most care homes are privately owned and ultimately they have responsibility for their residents and staff. The government are being blamed for something that is not their direct responsibility. They had allocated 3.2 billion for local authorities to support key industries.
As for PPE their was a global shortage, and they were trying to keep up with demand.
I am in no way criticising carers. They do a brilliant job, even under normal circumstances. In this present climate they are nothing short of heroic.
But, I still think that the care home owners to take some accountability for the crisis in their establishments.
"But, I still think that the care home owners to take some accountability for the crisis in their establishments."
How? PPE has been denied access to because they are private and not NHS. The PPE was reserved solely for the NHS use only, that is the point. No amount of money could buy the PPE at the time, the Gov rules denied them access to it. The home Sharon works at had to operate without any PPE for two weeks, despite orders for them being placed repeatedly. Told to accept new residents straight from hospital without being tested. Sick residents were refused to be taken to hospital. I have told of all of this, on here previously, weeks ago.
It has been a total disgrace, 40% of Covid-19 deaths have taken place in care homes!
Morning 2greys and just to butt in, can i say that in my area there are several private care homes and I'm on good terms with one of the Manager's. She assured me and I've no reason to disbelieve what she told me. She said that they can buy and do buy their own supplies of all PPE and can get the vat back(which I'm certain is all above board ).. She's run low at times on PPE due to late deliveries but nothing that interfered with their care giving.
So could it be a regional problem? If one care home can do it then why aren't other ones in the private sector taking the initiative?
Perhaps the PPE was not up to standard, thus was not at the time restricted for NHS use only, if so, a dangerous practice as it would give a false sense of security. The situation has changed in the last few weeks admittedly but at the time that program was made the suppliers of approved PPE were actually barred from selling to anyone other than the NHS, as a government directive.
4 weeks ago, at the time of Sharon's and my own infection they did not have any PPE in the nursing home whatsoever, not even hand sanitiser, just soap and water.
Most care and nursing homes have a not insignificant proportion of local authority funded residents. We (my fellow social workers and I) have a legal duty to assess these individuals and ensure their care is at a good standard. When the homes are being denied access to PPE (as they are told the priority is the NHS) it means the care falls below an accepted standard.
Tax payers contribute to the cost of these individuals’ placements and social care has a legal duty for these residents. The government should be very interested! The blame cannot be laid at the hands of the owners of these homes.
I think one of the basic problems was that the Government,despite being warned of the danger of repeat pandemics as long ago as 2016,failed to have adequate (if any) reserves of PPE equipment when this outbreak reached UK.
Other than the above,I suppose the Gov has done all it can to handle the situation although,again,there are questions remaining unanswered as to the dithering in the early days of the onset and the situation regarding the problems we have seen in care homes.
The programme on TV earlier this week about how South Korea ( with a population of over 50million ) reacted so quickly compared to UK,was a real eye opener.
Tell that to all the households who have been flooded out of their homes - and require flood defences.
Everyone can argue for more from the tax payer - but each public sector is given what the government budgets for each. It is therefore up to each sector to use money given to procure their necessary requirements. Governments do not raise orders on suppliers. Any extra funds would result in a rise in taxation or another sector having to do without.
Whether it is purposeful herd immunity or not, it may end up what the reality is, given the likelihood for an effective vaccine is pretty low. What to do if it takes 5 years to develop? The effect of a time period like that on the economies will certainly cause more death than herd immunity.
I agree with all your comments but it is the lack of transparency that worries me. Honesty is always a good policy.. not trite statements and baffling statistics
I dont trust this government on anything. We seem to be wandering into '1984 ' territory. I'm just waiting for them to announce the chocolate ration is increasing to 20g from the 40g it was before....
It’s a total car crash. They’ll all be squabbling now, BJ, Hancock, Gove etc, trying to deflect blame from themselves once the inevitable public enquiry looks into this scandal (I mean the whole thing - care homes, the decision to stop testing, the PPE etc.) That’s all they care about, hanging onto power, not the people who put them there.
There used to be a swathe of decent, principled, centre-right MPs with a sense of public duty, but they’ve either resigned in disgust or been eliminated. And right now the opposition under Keir Starmer is no better, mainly looking to score political points.
I’m disgusted with the lot of them.
I see tens of thousands more deaths than necessary and a bankrupt economy.
ledge no they don't have our best interests at heart and i firmly believe that the figures are being fiddled, all of this plus the money over lives aspect is sadly typical of this dreadful government xx
Tonight (Sun) Sharon has come home and said that there are now 9 confirmed cases and 3 more suspected, with just one recovering at the nursing home. The situation is now getting worse there. I wish I was well enough to volunteer to help as well, having survived it, even if it just to make cups of tea, give support and hold a few hands. It is all so cruel. Yet according to the Gov figures the infection rates in care homes are coming down.
My heart goes out to the poor souls who have contracted covid-19 in the care homes all over the country and to the relatives of those many who have sadly died as a result of it. I think Sharon, her colleagues and other carers all over are amazing the way they are continuing to care for the old folk regardless of covid-19 risks to their own health and their families. They really do deserve recognition for service ' above and beyond ' their normal duties in a time of crisis.
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