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Do not fear the Internet

Why ?why ?why ? are most newbies given the advice to stay away from the internet and google. I think one should want to weigh what is true and what is nonsense. Sure The internetcan be considered a two edged sword but one edge of it is wonderful and the information it provides is quite useful in understanding our disease and in many cases what is being done about via great university studies such as this very BLF as well as Johns Hopkins, Stanford , Mayo , Cleveland Clinic etc . Yes I agree there are some outdated archaic “websites that are full of doom and gloom but as adults we can be sure our power of reasoning can surely avoid them and weigh the difference as to what is legitimate and what is drama . To blatantly tell folks to avoid google or the internet is to me , folly because there is so much to learn rather than stick our heads in the sand like ostriches and steam the world is flat. My advice is to seek out knowledge and be responsible about it . You never know you just may learn something new. Me, personally I want to know as much as possible about my condition and what science is doing about rather than being told it’s only a matter of how you feel. I feel I want to know !

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If you read the advise it is to stick to reputable websites because there IS a lot of rubbish out there. According to many websites I should be a gonna by now after five years with my dilated cardiomyopathy. However, British Heart Foundation say very different.

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Certainly true but I’ve read folks saying and I quote “stay away from google” . Google is technically a search engine a proverbial Pandora’s box and although most folks do advise reputable sites many still insist on avoiding it all together. That’s who I am focused on .

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The biggest problem with Google is how they do their rankings. Paid advertising will be placed towards the top results, so those sites that are advertising nonsensical miracle cures for money can afford to promote their wares on the back of scare stories, which of course encourage sales of their "snake oil".

Not everyone can understand all the technical terms either. At the end of the day, those that are living successfully with the condition can offer real, tried and tested advice from their own experiences.

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No not all of use can understand a meaning but I look up meanings that I don't understand .. But you do have to be aware..

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My mother should of been dead years ago but medication keep her alive first heart attack in her thirties .She is eighty now . Some people you just shake you head and say how did they last so long.. She has cost the medical industry millions... She never knew a thing about any of her problems .. She just took her meds and got worse.to me it was the medications that made her worse..... One day I told her blood pressure medication causes kidney problems after years of taking it.. Read it on line.. My friend had the same thing I told her she went off of hers.meds and her problems got better went for testing and the Dr said she didn't need to be on them.. Go figure..... All medications causes problems when you take to long ..A dr will give you medication to counter the problems that another drug causes.......But to walk in blindness with the drug companies you never get better.. You do need google....I'm not a Dr but I got people of off the medications.though diet . And there blood work coming back good... My mother wouldn't listen and she got sicker......My hobby is medical problems and reading about them on line.. So yes google is good...

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Very good reply Clamdigger but some folks do get frightened by the internet and that’s understandable I personally embrace it and I believe it can bring out their fears but sometimes even fear needs to be confronted and defeated. Knowledge is power fear is weakness

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...You can get scared if you not used to reading medical terms and your trying to figure out your longevity with COPD.. I"m a bit hard core about life with all that I have lost.. I have two friends left one friend was 33 years old died to cancer my brother 21 due to a illness.. Family younger older than me ... I'm lucky to make this far I might live another 15 might make it 6 might out live my husband might not... I rather enjoy the end part of life living not being scared of death.. With me it's what your going to die from... I was taking 1,000 a month in drugs and one of the drugs a nurse gave me it was for inflammation .. I ended up six times in the hospital with my lungs.less than a year... Got a Dr and she said watch this pill had a patient die from it that was asthmatic..... Wasn't told about this drug and your lungs... That is when I went off most of my drugs feel way better.....You can't go through life blindly about the drugs you take and about your illness... And leave it all to a over worked Dr...

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There is nothing wrong with the internet for gaining information. Google is only one search engine which I rarely use as it’s to biased towards US sites. All search engines can be manipulated to only show positive results. For any particular product. Several seemingly good articles are just a front for some kind of clinical procedure. It’s just a question of comparing web sits and extracting the relevant information. Beware of miracle cures, of which there it’s any.

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Your point is the same as mine if you read my paragraph that is what I stated so we are in full agreement

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" I agree with littlepom..Redsocks.. when searching on the internet with regards to your health issues.. Your brain can't engage with the bad news.. that you've just been diognosed with a lung diease.. So yes..you do search the I internet for reassurance and to understand your bad health news... Fear is paramount in your mind so yes..searching and looking for some kind of reassurance..

You search and search..only to then frighten yourself half to death. as Littlepom said.... We all would be dead if we believed everything that is put out on the web.. But to look at reputable sights. Ie.for the UK...Search the national health sites.. Search sites like this one... The British lung site.. I use the internet a lot... Infact I met my now wife from California.. on a Veterinary web site.. I use the internet for lots of things...YouTube gives out some visual advise for various things to help us with our lung issue's. So although I would recommend the internet for so many things.. Ones health isn't the one I'd recommend....good question though Redsocks.....Megan.."

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Hi Megan, just to say a quick hello. I know you've been having a bad time from reading a former reply of yours and apologies for being in touch then. Hadn't realised you'd met Cherie on a veterinary site :)

Sending love, jean (and apologies Redsox for taking over your post!)

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"Yes Jean.. We met over 9 years ago online. Cherie is still a fulltime working Veterinary Surgeon..here in the UK. " sorry Redsocks."For jumping in to answer Jean..catchup with you soon Jean..xxx Megan.. "

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I’m glad we are in dialogue and all your points are valid. Thank you

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Such a very good reply Megannell. We hear from so many poor people who have had this strange and frightening diagnosis thrown at them or their partner and who have been frightened to death by what they have found. I am not against using the internet for info. I do it all of the time but so many sites are irresponsible or as others have said,a cover for snake oil salesmen.

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"Thank you littlepom..."

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Google is the name of a search engine and the advice is to be more selective in the use of the internet. In other words when fishing for information use a line and not a drag net. 😉

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Haha good advice though I did state google is a search engine

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I am so slow off the mark that when replying to original posts a whole line of others have got in there before me. 🐌

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I agree RedSox. And while littlepom is right that we advise sticking to reputable sites, you will often see members advising never to consult "Dr. Google". I so disagree with this - I was diagnosed long before this forum was set up and all I had between visits to the doctor or consultant was the internet.

I think we have to accept that there is 'no one size fits all' when it comes to learning about our conditions. My nurse said just last week that most of her patients say they don't want to know. But many people join our forum precisely to learn and gain knowledge, and also for reassurance. Most here want to self manage once they have got over the shock of the diagnosis and understanding what is happening with their bodies is part of this.

I wince when I see members saying never to go on the net, and some do say that, even though mainly we will advise sticking to decent sites. But for some, anxiety means they just don't want to know, and others explore sites and drive themselves silly with worry - we have to accept that people come in all varieties :)

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O2 Trees Your statement of folks wanting to manage their conditions on their own is spot on . The proof being many mild to moderate COPDers have left the nest in my own research of going back to posts of 4 to five years and this very forum is proof positive of how wonderful the internet can really be as opposed to the hoaxy outdated drab that spews doom and gloom . Lol is hoaxy even a word ( I think not)

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I think the point is that while some people really don't want to know, if you've already gone on the web, even if it frightened you, just going there in the first place means you're wanting info. So directing to decent sites is essential.

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What we are achieving here is Dialogue and that is a good thing

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When I had Breast Cancer, I joined the Breast Cancer Care forums where many newly diagnosed had looked up their particular type of Breast Cancer (there are dozens, all different) or what they THOUGHT their particular type was, and scared themselves to death. Many refused treatment because of what they read, That is when the internet (wrongly used) can be dangerous. :-o

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Yes I agree and unless you were a born internet user it’s hard to find out which are and are not ‘reputable’ sites. I only learn by my mistakes re this so far.

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Thank you for an interesting opinion 😊

Well if you want to know and you can take it, it’s fine.

Not everyone can..My Mum,whom I love dearly, for example reads all medicine notices, thinks she has all the side effects, gets in such a state and cuts up her tablets in 4 so no..we gave her an ipad last year for her birthday but I’d rather she played games, which she loves, than read medical advice on the Internet.

My Bea, who is also a bright spark, read all about my LAM and thought I would be degenerating and dying soon..

So knowledge is power I agree if we can take it but there are a lot of fake medical news out there and even on legitimate websites, medical progress evolves so quickly that yesterday’s news is not always valid anymore..

In conclusion, I think people do what suits them and can discover the pros and cons by themselves of course.

Most of all, I don’t recommend that we substitute medical internet research to proper medical advice from a Consultant etc..That could be dangerous.

I can always learn as a patient, I know my own body and I can speak for myself but I would be unable to take decisions regarding my health such as a qualified doctor can and even more make life-saving decisions.

Wishing you well x

Fran

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I agree Red Sox by you can scare the pans off yourself if you take everything as gospel ..Having had my condition for 15 maybe 20 years I have read anything related to lung disease . I scared myself when I read about the operation I'm having in 4 weeks time but .......with hindsight I'd rather know than not know .Im now prepared for all the things I've read about and my meet with the surgeon confirmed what I had read albeit with a little more added .Treat the internet with respect and go on a site that regularly updated their info .

Love Babs xx

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Good luck on your operation! God bless

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Thank you Red Sox xx

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When a Dr says you have COPD and you ask how long .. She said talk care of yourself lose weight you'll last longer.... 15 min.. They don't have time to explain nothing ...Nothing wrong with google ...Dr's think we are idiots we don't know how to go through information and read information.what is good and false . ... Found out a few of my problems on my own using google.... Dr's don't have the time....

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That exactly what I’m trying to say thank you

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Some people are a lot braver than me. Some things, I just don't want to know. On the other hand, it was Google that led me to this place and I am so grateful to have found all the wonderful people here. When it comes to my own health, I'll research the bits I want to know. Earlier today I was posting in another thread about Raynaud's phenomenon because my mum's recently been told she has it. I want to know but at the same time I don't want to know. I don't want to Google it and be terrified by what I read. What I wanted was reassurance that a person can live well with it. Caspiana kindly replied. Someone else replied and said I shouldn't be afraid of Google, but also recommended a good website. My dad passed away just a while ago and some days I feel like falling face down in the dirt and laying there forever because I'm so utterly devastated. I can't bear the thought of my mum being ill now. I want to know about her condition so I can help her, but at the same time I don't want to know. Some people would say it's just burying my head in the sand. I guess I'm not as strong or courageous a person. Maybe it's not the internet to be feared, just the fear that the knowledge can bring.

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Not forgetting all those "flies on the wall" that never get involved and engage in conversation by registering. How can they be re-assured and prevented from a meltdown.

I remember when I was diagnosed as severe, after over 50 years of never seeing a GP, I googled COPD and shocked to the core to read that I had "five years to live". Yet here I am still working full-time, fit, and still leading a good quality of life two and a half years later. Luckily I did learn the truth quite quickly (and have to say from a US site) before finding this, very active, forum. There are many, many more sufferers who are not members for various reasons.

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Hi 2greys

Yes you are right.

I have never been afraid of consulting the internet and I usually say look it up on Google 😃 a little silly of me.

I had the same experience as you had, when I looked up the first link on the page my prognosis was 10 years from the onset of symptoms. Luckily I had passed the deadline 😉and I searched further..

Of course it is a wealth of information, which you have to use with discernment.

Have a nice evening x

Fran

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I have congenital heart disease, and I find that internet information concerning my situation either gives information about children or young adults, which is fine so far as it goes. However, nothing is said about people like me - I am 75, had surgery in 1961 and more or less left to get on with it until I had a stroke at 49. I have had good cardiologists since then, but only for the last year been attending a clinic for adults. Google and BHF helped a lot in that respect. As for obliterative bronchiolitis even harder to find anything, but bronchiectasis has a lot. My point is that the internet is helpful if you are discerning, and know what you have, but otherwise can lead you wildly astray.

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Yes I feel information on the net can be very frightening and misleading to anyone when they are first diagnosed with COPD. Certain sites do I feel pray on the vulnerable (which we all are at that stage) Straight after being diagnosed I read as many others did that life expectancy was 5 years!

However after finding this community in BLF I was reassured and got an idea what to look up. I have in fact researched many supplements and the reviews of same that I take to help me,Treatments,research and exercise for lung health.There are some very interesting people and views on here that give you ideas and interesting topics to look up. Had I just relied on ‘google’ etc my journey would have been more worrisome and confusing I fear. Some people do take whatever they read on the net as true.So quite debatable.

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I agree but I don’t understand one thing google is merely a search engine that directs you to either the important web sites as well as the nonsense why are folks replies directed to me as a standard bearer for google I am not please please read my entire post and digest it and know I am not proposing google but rather good human reasonings

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Yes I understand it’s just that many people my age I presume just think of ‘the internet’ as Google? I’m not a techi and the computers/ pads etc I’ve had have google as the search engine ( don’t know re search engines) so nothing personal meant there. Just my ignorance.

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Haha no problem I’m 65 years old and I may be a lot older than many “youngsters “on here lol

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No. 1 We are not children and possibly know full well how to surf the net and discriminate between reliable sources and those not so.

I believe for anyone newly diagnosed with any illness really, they should include within the search words, county and country that they reside. For instance if living in the UK you could search say 'Bronchiectasis, NHS UK' or Breathe Easy followed by town city you are living in followed by UK (many countries overseas have towns with same name as UK towns for instance). People living in Scotland have their own Health websites for people living in Scotland which is likely more appropriate to them locally. Not that we cant glean information from other websites just that if we want to know the procedures, standards and treatments in the country and county we are living, those that we can access, it makes more sense.

For UK folk the British Lung foundation is always a good place to go check things out, when newly diagnosed, search that site, contact the helpline etc. NHS UK if looking for specific things which are in accordance with treatment we can access here in UK.

No point in presenting something to a UK doc that is a new procedure in the USA for instance.

Just my views :)

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Who is calling you a child ? If it were me I apologize but if it wasn’t me that I would like an apology because my post had nothing to do with treating anyone like a child and if that’s the way folks are taking it then maybe they need to realize that this is a forum of dialogue and exchanging ideas and if a research improvement happens in the UK you can bet your bottom dollar or pound that my GP or specialist here in America will hear about from me good bad or indifferent and that Sir or Ma’am is my views

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I was speaking generally. My meaning of saying "we are not children" and therefore don't need to be told what is dangerous or not on the internet. What we should stay away from etc. Sorry I didn't communicate that better and if I upset you by my comment.

Things are different in American to how things work in the UK, that is generally acknowledged and appreciated.

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No problem Bkin after all we are all allies fighting these awful diseases together. God bless

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Newbies aren't told not to look on the internet but are advised not to google indiscriminantly but stick to recognised and reputable sites. This is different from what you are saying.

This is usually said in response to new people coming in panicking saying they have read that they only have 3-5 years left. It's usually those with a new diagnosis who panic not others who have accepted their diagnosis and surf the net for information.

When I was told I had a borderline under active thyroid for example I did google it to find out more info and the internet is wonderful if used correctly.

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How does one know what are reputable sights unless they learn from investigation on their own ? Exploration is created not from the advice of good intentions whether beneficial or harmful but rather from ones own intuition and their individual thirst for the truth which always reveals itself . Sorry to agree to disagree! But I have read over 65 accounts on this very forum where Newbies are not only “told” but actually warned not to look on the internet. Anyway the gist of my original post was to create dialogue and the exchange of ideas which we have shared . God bless

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Well common sense tells you to look on (if you are in the UK) the NHS. It will also show links there to this site and perhaps others. You know these are reputable if they are linked from a place like the NHS site.

When I looked up thyroid problems I looked for on here for a site then looked on the British one etc. but then I wasn't panicking and googling everything in site and believing it.

Those who come in here panicking probably won't think of that which is why we advise them to stick to sites like the NHS and I give them this example. It does depend on the poster of course and as we are all adults we can decide if someone needs advice like that. It's part of telling them 'No you have got a lot more than 5 years to live' etc.

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For me it's not just the scary stories, there are more than enough of those on this forum, it's the complete lack of consistency regarding lung disease, every single site says something different regarding lifespan, progression etc. I keep reading on here about how progression can be slowed to natural ageing with stopping smoking , exercise etc. Where is this info gathered from? I don't see one article dated 2017 / 2018 on the net that states this. Surely if this is the ''norm'' then all recent articles would say this. The NHS site is supposed to be reputable , yet it states that it ''gets slowly worse '' to '' stopping smoking prevents further damage '' to '' as the disease progresses'' all in the same article. This answers absolutely zero questions for the newly diagnosed and frightened.

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Dear roey123 you are preaching to the choir . I agree with you 110% the so called reputable sites on both sides of the pond offer zero insight as well as many of appendage sites like I stated in my post of over a week ago about the progress of 50 years of research has produced little except improved inhalers and many of the folks on this very forum were pleased with the progress. It amazes me that most diseases are impacted by how early diagnosis is imperative but with lung disease it’s no advantage at all and that is where the frustration lies. Not to be mean spirited but what the h/$&l does it matter if it is caught early . Better the medical community lies because knowing early leads to more depression time

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I have been diagnosed a long time but I recall in the early days that I have read from both UK and US sources that if diagnosed in the early stage of COPD and going along with the recommendations lung education courses like PR some can stop the progression and experience just the usually lung age deterioration. However I can't recall where that information is now, I recall though that the US info was a Video by a well known lung specialist.

From my personal experience my consultant told me this, however in my own case I have deteriorated over a longer period, slowly. I believe mainly because of lung infections that last too long and lead to pneumonia. The main issue for us all is try to avoid lung infections in the first place, then if we get one to act quickly in treating it before it has chance to develop into something more serious. Its lucky if we can and unlucky if we don't manage to achieve this even when fully aware of the procedures recommended and carried out by lung ed training and the medical professionals.

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Thanks Bkin that was very inspiring and raised hope . May I ask the details e.i. What is your condition? How long ? How old you are ? And most importantly how you are feeling now ?

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Hello RedSox .

When I first joined BLF I was advised not to Google my condition. I did it anyway, and I am sure most people do. And then realized why it was best not to. Everything I read about my condition always stated "poor prognosis" , "life expectancy of five years or less from diagnosis", "some patients will decline extremely rapidly", "only treatment is to hopefully, slow progression", " long term treatment is transplant " , "life threatening" and the list went on. And these are from reputable websites.

Believe you me, I am no stranger to illness having had several autoimmune diseases for over a decade, but this was a new level of disease. Something that could take my life within a short period of time with no way to slow or stop it. And as a newly diagnosed patient, it was absolutely terrifying. Now, I can read anything about Bronchiolitis Obliterans, and not bat an eyelash, because I am seasoned, hardened if you will and know that I have it as much as I can , under control. I have also come to terms with my mortality. But those initial few months, living with it was like teetering on the abyss of the unknown. And with so much information, it is easy to lose one's balance and get into a state and topple head first in. For someone who is already desperately ill and frightened, I think taking little chunks of information is better than a deluge.

Stay well.

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" Your so wise Cas.. You always give very good advise... Hope your keeping yourself well.. have a lovely weekend..love Megan..xx...."

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Not wise Megan , seasoned more like. *HUG* Have a lovely weekend. xx 🌹

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brilliant and so well put, dear Caspiana

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Well said but I’m not sure why some folks misconstrued my original post as the first time I googled my disease I was sent to a study being done by Stanford University and it was very positive so maybe everyone has a different experience on the internet but the point I am attempting to make is that google is merely a search engine that designates web sites in a standard fare of hits . Google does not give answers or opinions that is what I’m saying and yes Caspiana I have seen your posts in the past and they are very inspiring but all I’m saying is google is as a menu at a diner in the end you choose what to eat . God bless

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Understood. But not everyone can filter as well as you can. Take care.

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Thank you and you too take care of yourself. God bless

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I work online all everyday for my business. And can see why doctors say don't use Google because some people think it's all true and it scares them to death. You just need to make sure it's a legitimate site like this one.

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I agree that is what I was saying but apparently everyone is different and some not as “filtered” so it it what it is .Andy are you in UK or US ?

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I live in UK and you ?

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USA

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Uninformed, vulnerable, frightened , certainly. "Stupid" is such an unkind word when referring to desperately ill people. Just my humble opinion. Best wishes to you.

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I do hope your not addressing me because I didn’t use that term

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Indeed you didn't, therefore my comment was not directed at you.

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Marvellous !

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I never meant it in a nasty way like you took it

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No problem Caspiana it’s getting late and I get grouchy at night lol

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Good night 🌙 RedSox .

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Good night

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I think the evidence speaks for itself when newly diagnosed members post on the group feeling suicidal because they've been told at the surgery they have something like mild COPD, maybe given an inhaler and told to come back next year, so go on the internet and find articles that say they'll be dead in 5 years. Thank God, that Google directs them to here after those articles, so that we can give them the benefit of our experience and reassure them that all is not doom and gloom.

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I totally agree

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I agree this is a bit of a sweeping generalisation. The point which is trying to be made is that many contributors to websites have had bad experiences, whereas those with good ones are less motivated to post. Consequently, rather like the news, bad stories outnumber good ones and the overall message is distorted. So long as that is borne in mind, there should be no problem with seeking guidance online.

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I think when we are first diagnosed we go to the internet for information but we see something about our mortality and tend not to see anything positive.

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So true , so very true !

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All search engines have a tendency to cater to those who pay big bucks. Searches on the internet are somewhat relative, it depends on the person. Some folks read the first thing they see and stay that way, others are more persistent and venture beyond the first page whether on google or other search engine. All in all, I cant imagine my life without the internet. The internet for me is like walking the streets, having a cup of coffee, shopping at stores, going to a park...it is life. I'm constantly researching COPD and following medical news, recently there was a report a first of its kind that a Chinese medical team has successfully and for the first time, repaired human damaged lung, this time not on mice but on human, the subjects were observed after three months and a year and they are showing real progress and the Chinese ended up with a phrase that brought hope and joy to my heart, he said:" "Chronic lung diseases could be conquered within 5 years," said Professor Zuo, isn't that wonderful news, it was like I took a get well pill.

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Exactly! . All great points as I too love the research and university studies which are usually way beyond the “sensationalized” first few pages. Wonderful studies are being done all you need is the practical patience of finding these pages. Thank you beltoussef

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I read that article as well. The have had over 80 procedures completed on humans. They are aggressive in China, but that's China for you! #GOCHINA!

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You are most welcome my friend!!!

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It's the articles that spin off the doom. They are the one's that make me grasp for air the second I read them. Double edge is a great way of explaining it.

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What I do not get is this. First off all I should have grown up to be a scientist or some medicine expert so I knew what was good and bad for me per my professions. Second, how can a lung transplant, which is a blessing for if needed, the only way to get the lungs back up and running from these diseases? Are they new? Why have the lungs not been perfected when it comes to treatment? Is that lofty expectations?

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Excellent point it seems like of all the organs have reproductive qualities except the lungs as they deteriorate progressively. The good news and yes there is some good news , the lungs are very unpredictable unlike other organs meaning everyone’s deterioration is different which may explain how some folks can smoke up til their 90s and others perfectly healthy can die of pneumonia. It is odd but you must not smoke that is the best thing you can do if you do smoke stop. If not don’t start .

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Yes don't start. Red sox I am not a big smoker at all. Only socially, but would binge smoke. That is what I believe got me in trouble. I quit smoking for over 1 year and came back socially on weekends or every other. No big deal right? WRONG! I work out, healthy, rocking my prime in every way possible... not me right? Well not diagnosed yet, but we all know our bodies. So, since 7 weeks ago, after I woke up short of breathe, I have not smoked nothing since. Don't really want to due to the fact I didn't really care for it anyway...... FUDGE ME MAN!

You all have probably never meant someone so afraid of a lung doc in your life! That's because I went to the internet, and I read all the bad news, and I am good with hearing that truth be spoken on me. I am stuck

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Not unless you find a good Pulmonologist. You can research them on the internet. I always say doctors are like baseball players some hit .220 and others hit over .300 you should get yourself checked out you never know the lungs are very vulnerable to allergies which can be treated easily. In meantime keep up the healthy lifestyle and eat properly. I am a strong proponent of clean whole unprocessed foods. Also look into some supplements. Good luck

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Yes I want to work with the best only. If I means more money, then so be it.

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Can't I sleep on it? ahh

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Which is not really funny since I have not slept well in 7 weeks.

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Get yourself some sleep it will do you good . Go read a good novel .

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I'm trying, went and got sleep medicing from a shrink because everyone tells me its anxiety. Which of course I would love for it to be! And.... I still wake up every 3-4 hours but its better than every hour without it

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Dude maybe your problem is sleep apnea after all . Again a good Pulmonologist will check you out for that . That is also their specialty as well as lungs

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Yes, its a problem I have for sure. Again, broken record, worried its more than sleep apnea. 4 kids, 2 still at home, 2 little studs in pop warner following ol pappy footsteps. Red sox I played football at UMASS Amherst.

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3 still at home

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Sleep is soooooo underrated. I read myself to sleep it works every time or I lie in bed and listen to the Yankees ( I live in Metro New York)

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You can do this relax deep breathing and do it by the way a good friend of mine was head football coach at UMass Amherst his name was Tom Masella

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Honestly, if you have a great doc, it's almost best to let them relay any significant news to you. These articles are great, but it's like, hey cotton candy is found to treat throat cancer. Great news! Sense of hope! No movement. It almost makes sense to look at articles 10 years ago for today's hope. If that makes any sense. Ok time to watch pop Warner football take care everyone.

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Take care we will talk soon ..... peace

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So I read some things online today that scares me shitless. I'm very worried right now

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