I have begun to add three drops of colloidal silver (45 parts per million) in my morning and evening nebuliser. I am hoping this will prevent bacterial infections from starting in my lungs. Will this work? Or am I doing more damage than cure?
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Hi, I’m not sure there is enough evidence to support the use of Colloidal silver. I would advise that you do lots of research on this. Please take care xxx
45 ppm seems very high!
thesilveredge.com/nebulize-...
"But from what I’ve read on the internet, most people who nebulize colloidal silver are using between 5 ppm and 10 ppm, with some daring souls going as high as 20 ppm."
Well, it's only three drops (from an eyedropper) in a 2ml (0.5mg) Atrovent and 2.5ml (5.0mg) Ventolin mix, so all told it's much less than 45ppm in the actual solution. Also, I only use it on two of the four nebulisers I am meant to take. I thought (well, guessed really) it was more likely to be insufficient than too much. I know silver is not harmful to humans, I believe it acts as a catalyst on bacterial metabolism and isn't actually poisonous as such.
I don't like taking antibiotics. We use them far too frequently and resistant strains are appearing. All the research I have done (which in all honesty isn't fully comprehensive) seems to point to silver being the safest. I thought (hoped?) a small dose of silver would decrease the chances of an infection taking hold in the first place.
Thank you for your reply.
It has never been scientifically tested so who knows if it works or not? You might be doing damage or not but it is up to you whether you want to try something like this.
I agree with sassy to make sure you do lots of research. x
Well, as all three replies suggested further research I simply asked google and all the results suggest colloidal silver is much more useful than antibiotics - here are the results:
google.co.uk/search?q=effec...
Thanks to all three replies, I still do not know if I have the dosage correct, but I'm certain I am on the right track.
Looked at first google page - the single study of the boy with severe CF complications is certainly interesting and authors think further in vitro research is warranted. But the article is also packed with warnings and caveats. Bold self experimentation is a fascinating topic - I'm thinking of the brave Australian doctor who defied conventional wisdom about stomach ulcers and found they could be cured by antibiotics. But I really think you'd be well advised to discuss questions of risks and dosage with specialists. I don't know how well or badly you are doing but I've learned here that people can live happily at end stage for a very long time. So you might be risking more than you think?
I'll quickly add I'm using 'Silver Cleanse' solution I found on Amazon. I need to do more research into whether ionic or colloidal silver is best.
With regard to the use of colloidal silver - whilst we do allow discussions of alternative treatments on the forum, please be aware that the British Lung Foundation have no knowledge of any research being done on this form of treatment in the UK. It isn't in any guidelines that they are aware of, nor would they ever recommend anyone tries a treatment like this when it hasn't been recommended by their consultant.
Please take care.
Well, it is difficult to sort the wheat from the chaff. I am forever seeing claims for 'health products' that use very bad science as a selling point ie: 'quantum field effects', 'chi energy remedies' etc. But I did find this:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl... (Colloidal silver for lung disease in cystic fibrosis, by the Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine)
Which appears to be scientifically grounded and correctly researched with peer group approval. And as I said, I really do not like taking antibiotics. I am keeping the dose as low as I think is useful until I have more information.
Perhaps the British Lung Foundation could look closer into this. A safe and easy method of reducing lung infections would be a boon to many people.
Annienell: thank you for stating this clearly. On other health unlocked forums I've seen some very dodgy opinions. People suggesting that preventer inhalers for asthma will harm you and should not be used and that assiduous use of onions and garlic can substitute for antibiotics, for example.
I agree with you. I think alternative medicine should be tried. If been taking it orrally for 4 months. I think my infections are less. I suffered sinus a d chest infections frequently. I think as long as you take it in the correct doses it can only benefit. I would love to see this help you. Good luck I really hope it helps you. Please keep us updated.
I have already argued against internal (gut) Colloidal silver. Our stomach fauna is extremely important to our health and taking colloidal silver internally would surely have some damage to our gut fauna.
These strong antibiotics that I have to take when I have infections also wipe out good bacteria. They also are not good for you. I am hoping to have less infections. I am concerned that I am becoming immune to the antibiotics. I was so ill for 6 months last year I am willing to try new things.
I am very sorry but from all my research you are doing yourself harm. It is true colloidal silver as antibacterial properties. Before antibiotics they did put it in bandages and it can still be found in some topical applications. The only research I can find on the inhalation is by the FDA in America. Sadly those observations on affects were observed in post mortem findings. There is a lot on DR Google about its use however this is non researched and doubtful. There are no planned research into inhalation of colloidal silver as it is considered too dangerous.
Do you mean no planned research because it is not profitable to Big Pharma?
Remember these are the people who have given us drug-resistant strains of virus', bacteria and fungus.
I am sorry it over use of antibiotics that as given us these problems. The post mortem results are the big reason why I would not use Silver Colloidal nebs. They are your lungs do what you want.
In complete agreement with Badbessie. Global veterinary over-use of antibiotics is also implicated, and lack of oversight in many countries is an issue. My feeling is that in UK restrictive policies for prescription already exist and there's some unnecessary public alarmism about dangers of antibiotics. Media should differentiate more when discussing this topic. People with chronic lung conditions and other patient groups need antibiotics and shouldn't be made over-anxious about using them. I know I wouldn't be alive without antibiotics.
Please don't do this, Insomnus. Our lungs are such delicate organs, so easily damaged and so precious. New drugs have to be rigorously tested with double-blind, placebo-controlled trials, and are only licensed for patient use once they satisfy the exacting regulations imposed by the FDA, EMA, MHRA etc. This is the reason it costs £millions and takes many years for new drugs to be made available. Yet you're proposing to inhale this stuff based on your own google research and the case of one child reported in the link you mention? I think you should be protecting your lungs & taking care of them, not exposing them to unknown risks. Remember that lung damage is usually irreversible.
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Thank you all for your replies and concerns.
First/ I have latter stage COPD, so there is little point waiting years for research to catch up.
Second/ I first heard about inhaling this on 'Health Unlocked' forums. Some carer was saying her ward was given an incorrect diagnosis for Asthma and his health was deteriorating, so she swapped the inhalers for a nebuliser using Quinton water and colloidal silver, and he recovered back to almost full health (he was getting constant infections).
Thirdly/ I know Colloidal Silver works topically, is not harmful to animals other than bacteria and certain fungus, and is very effective.
Fourthly/ Every time I inhale I suck in colloidal particles from the atmosphere (diesel colloidal particulates for instance), it is why most of us have Lung problems. So why not include a very small amount of Colloidal Silver? I agree our lungs should be kept free as much as possible of colloidal matter, but that is impossible unless I live in a sealed filtered room.
As so many people seem worried about this, I am lowering the dose to 1 drop twice per day. As far as I can calculate (@45ppm in 0.1g of water each day) I am inhaling very much less than background particle inhalation, which runs at circa 1-2 µg m-3 in the relatively clean air here in a quiet road at the edge of town.
I originally put this post up in the hope someone would actually know more about it, but all I seem to be getting are people suggesting I 'be careful'. I do appreciate your concerns, but unless someone has a grounded scientific reason to stop I will carry on taking this lower dose.
Also, you say it costs a great deal of money to develop new techniques, but Big Pharma will never spend that because they cannot make millions on such a technique - you cannot patent Silver.
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Of course the pharmaceutical industry won’t invest capital in anything from which it can’t make a profit, that’s obvious, it would soon go to the wall if it did. I’m sorry if our replies aren’t what you were looking for.
You may not like taking antibiotics, who does? but they’ve saved millions of lives, mine many times & yours too I imagine, if you’ve late-stage copd. The drug resistance you mention is down to patient expectation & over-prescribing, not the drugs themselves, before which countless children died in infancy of quite trivial ailments. My lung condition dates from measles in the 1950s - how I wish “Big Pharma” had invented the MMR vaccine beforehand, then I would’ve avoided a lifetime of illness. I do wish you well with your experiment, and hope you benefit from it.
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Thank you for your reply. I have to say I agree with what you are saying, it was amiss of me to point a finger at big pharma. They are not to blame for our misuse. I've never had a chest infection since my diagnosis bad enough to warrant drugs (although they did pump me full of them in the hospital when they removed 1/3 of my lung). However, antibiotics have indeed saved my life on more than one occasion with other previous infections.
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It's a balance isn't it, I certainly wish they hadn't been over-prescribed as we're now running out of options, & there's the rise in hospital-acquired infections which can be fatal. You're lucky to have stayed fairly clear of chest infections, keep it up! Unfortunately with bronchiectasis ones lungs are so clogged with thick sticky mucus, they're a breeding ground for bacteria. Sincere good luck anyway, insomnus.
Essiet48I am in stage 4 of COPD and I would never try colloidal silver in my lungs. Why rush to the cemetary? I take vitamins and my meds and Iam on oxygen 24/7 but Iam not doing anything to make myself worse. I get my rest and I eat correctly. I get my exercise. They make jewelry out of that silver so how do you think its going to help your breathing? You might start jingling when you breathe or cough. Thats like several years ago tey were telling people to omr to Mexico for a cure for cancer and after they got there they told them to give them all this money and then they told them to eat this red sand and they would be cured. I know a women that was desperate and she went there and did what they told her to do and she died on the way home and her esophogus was full of red sand and she choked to death. You need to sit down to your conmputer and look this stuff up before you use it. These Drs have gone to college and medical school and they know a lot more than you me or a lot of other people. Taking antibiotics is to fight infections which is something that happens to people with lung problems. Maybe thats why so many people died that have copd because they do things like your doing and of course it kills them but copd is blamed for their death. I don't like having copd but Im not anxious to go to my grave and Im not trying to commit suicide either.
I take 2 drops per day. Each time you inhale, you are taking more particulates ( circa 40-50micrograms per cubic metre) than I use in one day.
I fail to see what making jewellery has to do with it. Silver is a very well known antibiotic. My carer has a friend who had an ulcer in his leg and the Doctors and hospitals tried everything to no avail until they used silver impregnated bandages - which cured it completely in 10 days. It is not poisonous and is completely safe to use on humans. It acts as a catalyst, in the same way Platinum in exhausts removes pollutants. Apparently, it interferes with bacterial Oxygen enzymes. It is impossible to grow bacteria on silver.
I studied Environmental Science at University (UEA) and that is an unbelievably small amount compared to the colloidal diesel particulates we all breathe every day, I have seen red dust from the Sahara on cars in Britain. The air we breathe has a frightening amount of chemicals and particulates. When I studied atmospheric chemistry I was shocked and horrified to discover the incredible amounts of pollutants in our air.
I would never use a treatment that has no known medical value - red sand! That is just plain stupid.
I tried NUMEROUS brands and strengths of colloidal silver to no avail, even mixed it with fresh squeezed garlic, but nothing, just wasted A LOT of money, but had to try because things have continued to deteriorate with Brochiectasis/asthma/COPD and constant bronchitis, and I have NEVER SMOKED!
How long did you try the colloidal silver Dietrech, and were you taking it orally?
Hi Dedalus I tried over many months with different brands, strengths etc, and was really positive after reading about it extensively but my chest infections kept occurring! Yes I did try it orally but no difference.
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Hi, i have a friend who is HIV positive and had colloidal silver 30ppm 3 times a day and it proves this thing works. His CD4 cell counts increased from 500 to 800 plus within 6 months. This is to say that Colloidal silver is non poisonous it is safe to be taken orally but best through sublingual (leave it under the tongue) for at least 5 mins or more for fast absorption to the blood. No harm diluting it in a humidifier and inhale them. Nothing excessive is good. I am NOT an advocator of any product or supplements. U hav to do thorough research.
It does not cure, nor does it have any actual effect on your lungs. It kills Bacteria (it's also claimed to have an effect on certain fungus and viruses (I have VERY strong doubts it has any effect on viruses as they are not alive to begin with, but I know it does kill bacteria).
Squeezed Garlic? How do you inhale Squeezed Garlic? If you take it orally it may have a bad effect on your gut bacteria, and a healthy gut bacteria makes a very big difference to your health and longevity.
I inhale under 2.5 micrograms per day - which is less colloidal matter than a lungful of city air.
The only way I will discover if it works is if I never get a chest infection (the reason I take it). If I do get a chest infection, then I will know it is not as effective as I believed (although so many people on these forums advise against it, I have reduced the dose, possibly to a level that restricts its effect)
I saw a video with twin teenage girls with cystic fibrosis and they inhaled squeezed fresh garlic and colloidal silver but unfortunately it hasn’t helped me. I get chest infections every time I leave off antibiotics so I’m now trying long term doxycycline. It obviously works for some folk, but having tried most of them, some from abroad, none have helped me so far! Glad you have gotten relief though!
So when you say 'It hasn't helped me' did you inhale it in a nebuliser? Or was it oral? If you did try inhaling, what dosage did you use?
My biggest worry is the dosage, I need enough to kill bacteria, but not enough to affect my lung function.
I had advice from a professional who advocated colloidal silver but read up on it a great deal. I nebuliser it but can’t recall the dose but I did research it well and stayed within the safe limit! I also tried ingesting it but all to no avail and unfortunately I wasted a lot of money on it by the time I’d given up!
I see from one of your previous posts you continued getting infections, it's a pity you can't remember the dosage you were using, my memory is also like a sieve.
I have only had a few minor chest infections (since my diagnosis and before starting the Colloidal Silver) and I suppose my immune system must work reasonably well as none of the infections lasted long, nor did they cause me any real problems. I'm not immortal, I will die at some point, I just want that point to be as far away as I can get it, and at the moment my 'biggest' problem (all other things being the same) would be a serious chest infection. The cost has not been an issue, as so far I have spent £20 and at the 4 drops per day dose I'm using it will last 1,800 days.
I have tried different brands, strengths and purchased from abroad to try to help myself and certainly spent hundreds of pounds over the couple of years I was trying to find the brand and dose that worked! My memory is actually good, but it was a few years ago now, plus I tried quite a number of brands, doses! As I was advised by someone who makes a living from alternative therapies, I know I’ve explored all options! Obviously, it’s infections I was trying to avoid, but I didn’t, and it has been an unmitigated failure for me! Shall we just leave it there? I nursed for 38 years and was a ward sister for 25, had asthma all my life, so I know as much as is possible about asthma, CPOD, and recurrent chest infections as is possible! I know colloidal silver doesn’t heal lungs, I was hoping to limit, or stop recurrent chest infections, but it didn’t help with that at all!
I think it's important for me to reiterate what annienell has already said - BLF does not recommend or recognise this type of treatment and would strongly advise anyone to discuss this with their doctor or consultant before even considering something like this.
Insomnus in reply to
I have an appointment with my consultant to discuss having wires and springs inserted into my lungs. I have that question at the top of my agenda.
Thank you. Science was never my strong subject, but I will look this up anyway. I have already been using this cbd oil, and also frankincense oil.My stage 4 cancer was only diagnosed in march so it's all part of the learning curve. However, having made many enquiries, I find that I'm too far gone for surgery or any type of radiotherapy. I have therefore reluctantly, had 2 cycles of Chemotherapy. The side effects have been awful. Hence, I appreciate any other positive suggestions.Thank you.
Insomnus in reply to
You poor soul, I don't like to see anyone suffering. Nature is not cruel, it simply does not care. I know several people who have had to undergo chemotherapy and it is not pleasant.
I am a strong believer in mind over matter, for instance: placeboes, stigmata and people who can send themselves into a trance and walk over hot coals and put skewers through their cheeks and tongue without leaving any marks. Positive thinking is one of our better 'cures' for many ailments. Of course, healthy eating and exercise also play a part in a healthy lifestyle.
I truly wish you all the best and hope you have a long and pain-free life as possible.
I just went through this whole post. I have been having difficulty breathing since the last two days and asthma like symptoms since April of this year.
I have been reading about colloidal silver and it’s benefits and wanted to give it a try.
I would really love to know Insomnus if you made any progress with the use of colloidal silver.
I am not a doctor, just someone like you looking for alternatives to treat my body naturally. I am allergic to most antibiotics. I use 1 teaspoon straight 20ppm Colloidal Silver in my nebulizer when I feel a cold coming on. So far, I use it only once a day, but have read and heard that it's ok to use up to 4 times a day safely while symptomatic. I have never needed to use it more than once a day, or past 3 days so far. I have asthma as well and have read both sides of the spectrum of use/non use. I believe at some point, I will just use the CS for flare ups as well. It is a personal choice. I also have CS nasal spray that I use when I start to feel sinus issues starting. In my research, I found that CS was widely used before synthetic antibiotics were developed and the article stated that CS is still the most effective at killing bacteria, knocking out infections topically and internally. Using it correctly is most important. I have seen and known people who use it for lung cancer, asthma, COPD, fibrosis, pneumonia and swear by it. That said, I suggest you do your research, talk to your doctor or a homeopath Dr who is best at assisting you for what is best for you. Never trust just the opinions of non professionals. My Dr is aware I use it.
1 teaspoon 10ppm is what many hours of research produced for me. I know some who use more/less. But I consider the best dosage based on several CS manufacturer's statements about their product and usage. The brand I purchase is Sovereign Silver 10ppm.
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