Some of the places the NHS is looking to place Physician Assistants.
Northwest England, East Midlands, Yorkshire, Humber, Newcastle, and Northwest London. London I hear is pricey and I would like to visit the city, but not live. Ill have a look at a map. I am sure some of you live in these places.
Hope it works out for you. How exciting. Have you worked in UK before or in our NHS system? Most of us are passionate champions of NHS. It has its drawbacks but at its best it is unbeatable. Emergency stuff is brilliant, but routine things can take forever. There does not seem to be anything between, plain 'urgent' does not exist. Good luck. Looking forward to the next stage in your new adventure.
All the best
No I have not worked in the UK. The contract is 1-2 years. They pay, well help pay for relocation. I would likely rent a furnished place. Insurance, vacation included. I have until Jan 9th to apply. I will and see what happens. Be looking to do Urgent care.
How wonderful Patrick, to embark on a new stage of your life. It's so exciting!
Have you ever visited the Uk?
I expect you will need to do a lot of research before you even think of coming.
Good luck in your venture. I wish you luck every step of the way.
Keep in touch & let us know how it's going. 😀
Closest is Ireland. Ill apply and see what happens.
good luck hope it all works out well for you , your right about London it is very expensive there , might pay you to look at the rent price of houses in the areas where the jobs are will give you an idea of what you will have to pay out , as can be a considerable differents in different parts of the country ,
Yorkshire looks nice. Says one of the greenest parts of England.
Yorkshire is beautiful!
I live here so can guarantee how lovely it is!
It's not called God's Own County for nothing You'd love it here; miles better than London.
(Is there a tongue-in-cheek smiley?)
What on earth is a 'Physicians Assistant'? x
PA's are trained like doctors, but we don't do residency. Well there are post school if you like. We have to take a certifying exam after the program. I diagnose and treat, just like a physician. The NHS is hiring 200 to come over and work. Looks like they need the help. I started in Ortho surgery. Spine related to be exact. I do emergency medicine now. The NHS has a number of specialties open.
Good luck Patrick with your new venture, wish I lived in the areas you will be serving but I live in the middle of the country. I am one of those who campaign to keep the NHS and move it forward into the next century, so glad you are joining us. Best Wishes.
Our hospital has just brought over 20 nurses from the China the last lot could not speak hardly any English and were hard pushed to do obs
Onamission, Patrick is talking about physician's assistants, not nurses. Besides which our nhs would collapse without foreign nurses.
You are right Hanne62 - nurses and doctors from other countries do a great job here and I am thankful for them.
Hear hear! I think its unfair to criticise individuals who have been contracted to come over and work for the NHS. Specially since there are many in the NHS born and bred here whose communication leaves a lot to be desired. Many from abroad will have better skills and I too am grateful these (edit) PAs are coming.
Rather than criticising their language skills, its more relevant imo to be angry at the government who have brought the NHS to its knees. We need a mass movement to stand up for the NHS, and to oppose government policy by voting the tories out.
But hey, this is phlegmatic England - mass movement? I doubt it. Far easier to bitch about people who come to work here and who are doing their best.
I agree but these nurses could not speak English and they do not do the training we do I think they trained for 6 months as a result our hospital paid out a large sum of money in compensation my friends husband nearly died as a result.
If they were to pay decent wages our nurses would stay in this country.
I understand what your saying onamission our nhs wouldn't keep going with out staff from other countries but it can be very hard to understand some what they are saying and they cant always understand us , one of the consultants lovely bloke but I only half knew what he was saying kept asking him to repeat himself then had to ask the nurse what he said . I had the same with some nurses when I have been in hospital they worked their butts off but some I hadn't got a clue what they was saying which can be dangerous at times ,
Every year thousands of nurses qualifies and for every 20 uk nurses they only have one job going. The problem is we train for two years whereas other countries train for 6 months our HCA's are more qualified and this is why mistakes are made.
Well onamission these links say differently healthcareers.nhs.uk/i-am/o... and nhsemployers.org/your-workf...
Do they start work before passing this test as they have 8 months to do it a bit bloody late
The general Tier 2 minimum salary requirement of £20,800 is temporarily removed in these circumstances, though employers are still advised to place nurses in an interim position with a salary at least equivalent to that of a Band 3 role.
If an individual fails the OSCE at their first attempt, they will need to obtain a date to re-sit the test within a maximum of eight months from the start date of their visa. This gives potential time for candidates to address development needs and prepare thoroughly for any re-sit.
If an individual fails their OSCE re-sit, they will need to leave the country immediately, as they will no longer have the right to work.
The links explain it all onamission. Basically, no-one can work as a registered nurse in this country unless they have a qualification deemed comparable by the Nursing & Midwifery Council (which by the way, is THREE years not two as you state). And you must have passed the International English Language Test. Let's not spread this myth that the nhs is full of ill-trained nurses who cannot speak English. It is not true.
Yes uk trained mid wife is 3 years. People coming in to the uk to work have 7 or 8 months to pass the test do they not work till then.
It was 4 years ago when my friends husband nearly died through a simple thing a HCA picked up on and told the nurse but she took no notice so lets just hope the government don't flood our NHS with incompetent nurses
I don't think competence has a lot to do with nationality, not in my experience anyway.
Just had experience of one of these physician's assistants and was shocked to find that their English was absolutely non-existent! I do not wish to put a damper on things for you, Patrick, but unless patients can actually understand and be understood, then there is not much point in using this system. However, we have a government here who doesn't really give a damn except to be seen to be doing something and they think this covers them.
"Absolutely non-existent"? Are you sure about that?
Yes, I am sure about that! Why else would I need an interpreter?
You needed an interpreter? Are you saying the hospital provided you with an interpreter to translate what this person was saying into English? Which language were they speaking? I'd like to know how they got past the interview stage if they could really speak no English.
I agree Hanne. All doctors and nurses have to pass an English test to be allowed to work here. Ok some of them aren't that easy to understand but get someone with a strong Glaswegion accent and try and understand that! Not slagging off the Scots, but I had a couple of these when I worked in a contact centre and I literally couldn't understand a word they were saying and someone else had to do the call for them! x
It has just been decided by the EU that it is illegal for the UK to discriminate against people from EU countries who can't speak English by testing them! Obviously having to pass an English test no longer applies. It hasn't actually worked for a long time.
That's interesting. Do you have a link to that please?
It was on BBC one night. And Daily Mail or Daily Express. I will certainly try and find a link and send on to you. Will have to be later as just going out.
Found this from Mail online. I couldn't get the link to work!
Every foreign recruit to NHS will have to take an English test: Ministers set to vote on law change in weeks
•Nursing applicants from EU will have to sit language test from March
•Midwives, dentists and pharmacists will also have to pass test
•Plans will overturn loophole in law which saw Brussels block move
•The Commons could be asked to vote on a law change within weeks
By Daniel Martin, Whitehall Correspondent for the Daily Mail
Published: 23:27, 28 January 2015 | Updated: 08:58, 29 January 2015
From March nurses from the European Union will have their language skills checked before working for the NHS (file picture)
From March nurses from the European Union will have their language skills checked before working for the NHS (file picture)
Nurses from the European Union will for the first time have their language skills checked before working for the NHS, ministers will announce today.
From March, applicants from the EU will have to sit a language test if they cannot prove to medical regulators that they have adequate skills to communicate with doctors and patients.
It will finally overturn a loophole in the law which saw Brussels block the move, claiming it would infringe strict EU rules on the freedom of movement of workers.
While the rules were changed to allow language tests for EU doctors last year, they have now been extended to cover nurses, midwives, dentists, pharmacists as well as other dental professionals and technicians, from the EU.
The tests for nurses and midwives will be carried out by the Nursing and Midwifery Council, as they already are for applicants from outside the EU, before foreign staff are allowed to register.
It was not clear last night what form the English assessment would take, such as whether it would be an oral test or a written one.
Hospitals are not allowed to employ staff unless they are signed up with the NMC – meaning that failure to pass the language tests will ban them from NHS work. EU dentists will have to prove their language skills to the General Dental Council, while pharmacists will have to do the same for the General Pharmaceutical Council.
Daily Mail dated 5th December 2015: Headline: " Betrayal of every patient"
NHS barred from making checks on the qualifications of EU doctors and nurses.
"Thousands of European doctors and nurses will be allowed to work in the UK without vital checks on their qualifications and safety. Under new EU rules they will be handed electronic passports which automatically enable them to practise in hospitals and GP surgeries. ..... The passports will be issued to European nurses, midwives and some other staff from January 1st and doctors in two years. It means UK regulators will have to give applicants licences to practice without first checking they have the necessary qualifications and have not lied on forms or been suspended.
There are already concerns about existing EU rules WHICH PREVENT THEM SPEAKING ENGLISH BECAUSE THIS COULD IMPEDE THEIR 'FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT' RIGHTS. Regulators can only request certificates stating EU workers have already passed English tests - whereas those applying from elsewhere in the world face rigorous exams.
Experts say the new passports - European Professional Cards- will jeopardise patient safety even further".
There is more on this article from the 5th December 2015.
Well I took my info from the Mail online - what makes you think yours is right and mine is wrong? They do differ don't they? Strange that
I do not know how they got past the interview stage but I do know that there are many people employed by the NHS who can't speak English. The NHS is the most vital service in the country but improvement is needed. I know the work that doctors and nurses do and I also know the work that lots of over-paid administrators do.
You said you had just had experience of a Physician's Assistant who spoke no English and that you needed an interpreter. I asked what language the person spoke, and who provided the interpreter.
I don't know Patrick or know much about what this role does or will do, but his English seems fine to me. I take your point that some health professionals are difficult to understand, but to be fair I've had others born & bred within a few miles of me that talked total crap.
I can assure everyone my English is fine. I wont speak of the politics of the decision to bring PA's, or how the NHS works. 200 is likely a drop in the bucket. Id say most who come will do so for the cultural experience. The money is ok. I work in the Indian Health Service, so I am very familiar with managed care. It is not perfect, but get's the job done. I wish we had a similar system here for Americans, Obamacare is very convoluted. Same with Medicare, which you need to be 65 to qualify for. We have Medicaid for the poor, but you basically have to not work to qualify. All very messed up.
Patrick, apologies for hijacking your post slightly above. I do hope you get one of the jobs and am sure the PAs will be very welcome. 200 isn't many but I'm sure it'll make a difference. Personally I think there is room for another tier between registered nurses and doctors.
If it were me, I'd choose Yorkshire. I'm not from anywhere near there, but the cities all seem to be near beautiful countryside. And, apart from York or Harrogate, it's a lot cheaper than London. NW London is quite characterless (apologies to anyone from there). The NHS is a great organisation, much appreciated by most Brits, and with very dedicated staff. At least Mr Obama has made an effort with healthcare in the US, in the teeth of hostility from many politicians. I wish he'd had some success with the gun laws too!
Well at least when folk get shot they can get treated x
Oh I don't mind. I'm sure PA's will be well received.
Good luck Patrick whatever you decide.
The only problem you'll have is in understanding out regional accents!
Gun laws are pretty strict here so shootings are rare. You probably know that our lovely police are unarmed.
Keep us posted on your application. P 👍
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