Just heard an idea as to a cause of my symptoms, but need some insight

My physiotherapist suggested the reason only Ventolin relieves my breathing and tightness is because I breath wrong with my mouth. She thinks because I have a dodgy breathing pattern I get the air trapping and hyperinflation we saw on the chest x-ray and lung function tests leading to chest muscle tension. The tension radiates up my back and neck making my nose feel 'blocked.' The Ventolin relaxes my chest and I can breath deeper using my nose. This may be why I often wake up ok in the morning before I start thinking about my breathing, although I do tend to gasp in my sleep a lot which is still unexplained. It may also explain why I do better in the warmth.

We don't know if asthma is behind the air trapping but apparantly anxiety and overbreathing can cause air trapping too. Right? This is where I need some insight please! First I've heard of this all but I don't want to get my hopes up if my physio is wrong-! I am a very tall and skinny young male so I don't know if the air trapping we discovered is just a red herring or not.

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  • Hi,

    I've always found it worthwhile to check out every idea - even if it leads to a dead-end as you will also always find one that is correct for you. I haven't heard of this one but I hope that it will lead to better health for you. Check out the Buteyko Method of breathing as this sounds a little familiar. Wishing you the best!

  • Hi GreatGateway, air-trapping is term I also have not previously heard but it turns out to be a great keyword for searches (in my case, Bing). I found several blogs and medical journal papers about the phenomenon. Too much to take in to give a clear summary of (for example: one 2007 study shows the efficacy of inhaled corticosteroids one air-trapping in mild to moderate asthma. Elsewhere air-trapping is looked at where it is a symptom of severe asthma and mixed conclusions are drawn.)

    I always find breathing out harder than breathing in when my asthma's up but I don't know if that's the same thing.

    The benchmark exhalation is 70%, lower exhalation indicates air trapping - well, so I thought I read but I can't find where now to check!

    Thanks for your post, it has given food for thought, I hope you find clarity, it is certainly right to look at the symptom from various perspectives.

    Here are some resources I found:

    The first is an interesting asthma blog called 'Breathinstephen'

    breathinstephen.com/air-trapping/

    The other two are a med study and a press release.

    ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17204317

    eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-01/aps-sam012808.php

    Cheers, Ollie.

  • I ought to add in regard to breathing: Patrick McKeown is a writer on asthma and breathing techniques, he follows the Buteyko methodology, that to a certain extent is gaining credibility in medical circles (I found an NHS leaflet mentioning his techniques a while back).

    The main idea is that nose breathing is good because it better regulates the balance of carbon dioxide and oxygen than mouth breathing. Physiological responses to an imbalance are thought to include constriction of the airways and a blocked nose.

  • Sorry Tugun, hadn't noticed you'd already suggested Buteyko!

  • Do you think anxiety breathing is what gives rise to the "asthma" I've been feeling and why only Ventolin helps?

    In previous posts I mentionned how I never cough, wheeze or drop in peak flow, how preventers have never helped, how I experience contradictory symptoms like bradycardia instead of tachycardia and how Ventolin doesn't always work perfectly.

  • I'm afraid this takes me out of my province somewhat. It is certainly true that anxiety is implicated in asthma and too many non-asthmatics blather about it as a cause but even so, anxiety probably precedes breathing issues in many instances, though I feel at most it could trigger asthma symptoms in an asthmatic, not cause the disease. Breathing problems are highly likely to sow the seeds of anxious and depressive tendencies rather than the reverse. But then one finds vicious circles of sorts.

    I haven't an opinion on the cause of asthma but I suspect house dust mites may be the worst offender: apparently more women than men have asthma but as children the gender spread is about equal. One would then wonder statistically who spends the most time indoors and in what kinds of environment? Children typically have more similar lifestyles than adults.

    Dysfunctional breathing is the keyword - it has been mentioned before on this forum and someone posted a link to an NHS leaflet about it (I think that was the one that also mentioned Buteyko).

  • I've always been a mouth breather and purse breathing which is now old hat but trying to change that habbit isn't easy as you can imagine. Now with a physiotherapist it's shallow breathing to achieve no wheeze just through my nose I be manage 2 minutes before I'm gasping for a deep breath. When I'm in A&E I get told off for shallow breathing and say deep breaths which contradicts what I'm being told. I find that no 2 professionals are in agreement. Good luck

  • I don't think asthma is caused by incorrect breathing - if anything, the latter is a symptom of the former. I was recently diagnosed with late onset asthma and fixed small airways obstruction. The CT scan shows air trapping in the small airways which don't collapse properly on exhalation; in small airways disease this a structural defect, whereas in asthma it is caused by the immune system incorrectly stimulating the small airways to remain open. Ventolin helps by reversing this effect.

    There is a lot of talk about people breathing "incorrectly", and I am a bit suspicious of breathing exercises which seem unnatural. When you are asleep your breathing is controlled by the autonomic nervous system, which is perfectly capable of breathing "normally". Problem is, when you are awake, you can override the automatic system, particularly when you are under stress. This seems to cause people to "chest breathe" rather than the "normal" diaphragmatic breathing which occurs at night. There is a Yoga exercise I saw recently which suggests breathing out for twice as long as you breath in, presumably in an attempt to remove the "trapped" air in the small airways - although the logic seems sound, whether it actually works in practice is debatable, but it can't do any harm I suppose.

    Main thing is to treat the asthma in a way which works for YOU.

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  • I wonder if coughs are guaranteed with this? I never cough or wheeze. :p

  • Sounds finicky..I have a respiratory physiotherapist who teaches me how to use my diaphragm, to increase my lung capacity. Exercises are traditional and have helped me well. That is the question, do you feel it is helping you?

  • To be honest not much, but then again I discovered last night that even Ventolin isn't always ideal. When I took it last night I felt relief from my chest tightness, but my bradycardia, non-automatic breathing breathing and random gasps for air with SPO2 drops continued (no change in peak flow)

  • there are other bronchodilators did you try atrovent or spiriva, there are long-lasting. I would go back to your GP or specialist

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