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Asthma and bronhitis can be prevented or cured by means of therapeutic fasting and CR
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I'm aware how being overweight adds to managent problems with asthma. But not all asthmatics are overweight. Some are underweight. My weight gain has been due to long term steriod use and reduced activity due to asthma. Before the lecture I lose weight then preds gets increased and Wight goes back on and back to square one. Tried excercise unfortunately I ended up in hospital and back on high maintenance dose of prednisolone. For asthmatics Starving themselves to improve their asthma I something I wouldn't recommend to anyone
yes Gussypoo, I agree with you
In my case, I only get asthma in the summer months when I weigh 7 - 9lbs less than I do in the winter months and in the winter I am as fit as a butchers dog 
In winter it`s the beef stew and dumplings, yummmm
Sorry feel yet another load of clap trap, I was thin when diagnosed with Asthma, okay not thin now, but 20 years of steriods and my weight has increased. And this clap trap doesn't explain those who are thin but still have Asthma.
Regardless of whether or not it helps asthma, starving oneself one day and then eating lots the next does not result in healthy weight loss. It causes the body to go into starvation mode so that you burn muscle on the low calorie days and store more fat when you do eat so any resulting weight loss is mostly muscle mass.
The most effective weight loss programs (with the most prolonged results) are those that re-educate people on how to eat healthily, coupled with an appropriate exercise regime (obviously within the limitations of any disease states). Diets do seem to be more successful if they allow for an occasional treat so that no foods are completely banned, probably as they are easier to stick to, and people are less likely to give up because they ""broke"" their diet.
Agree with Katina and Nimueh - in fact this post is an advertisement for a diet company. Extreme diets can lead to long term problems such as thinning bones (bone density is already affected by long term steroid use) and eating disorders. I could say more but for the sake of my blood pressure I am limiting myself to that!
Mmmmmm gotta laff... take it he didn't try fasting whilst on prednisolone ha ha ha . Or may be I should ask for a gastric band instead of salbutamol nebules the next time I'm at the dr. Hope the moderator removes this post
I see Markbern hides his identity
I too hope this rubbish is removed
We didnt ask to get asthma and we all come in different shapes and sizes and
when your asthma is so bad you have to take steroids it does effect people in different ways and
hard to get about.
Everyone has their own goals and health problems and have their own Docs and asthma nurse and consultant who work with them to try help their asthma and what works for some does not work for others.
Any size any age Asthma can start and not right to say weight gain can cause it .xxx
I agree, I can't see this kind of ""diet"" working and don't see the connection between this and asthma improvement?!?!?!
Having worked in healthcare for 10years I have experienced the effect of long term steroids on individuals and must say that most of them had weight gain due to the effects of steroids and obviously also due to their illness and therefore their inability of exercise.
I've had asthma for over 10years and slightly underweight and my side effects of steroids are hyperactivity and loss of appetite, but even though I'm skinny my athma is rather rubbish.
Maybe I should go on that diet to pile some weight on???
I don't think much of this ""study""---sorry!
The fact that this poster has chosen not to reveal his or her identity shows that they are afraid of any personal backlash. Such a post proves their ignorance in the understanding of Asthma and the complexities of it!
Reported post to moderators.
Even if you take the ethics of this and the health issues of this diet out of the equation isn't this study using rather a small sample size? Seems questionable to me.
I've 'googled' this and as I said before, the post is actually an advert for an extreme diet. I hope Moderators remove it.
It is a genuine paper, published in a medical journal. I found it on PubMed (it's like a search engine for medical journals) here's the link
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...
It does have huge limitations particularly
*the size of the study, 10 people is ridiculously small and therefore cannot reliably be translated to the general population
*the lack of a control group, the study does nothing to account for placebo effect, or other factors affecting asthma control (eg many of us are suffering due to cold weather at the moment, could it be that the study was conducted just as the weather happened to improve)
*the study only deals with obese patients with stable moderate persitant asthma, and therefore cannot assume similar result in patients who are not obese or whose asthma follows a different pattern
The study was published in March 2007, if it was that revolutionary I would have expected to be seeing more studies confirming the findings and also some long-term studies in progress.
Nimueh, thanks I looked it up last night. Still stand by my original replies, clap trap and ignorance.
It might be a genuine paper in that it was published 3 years ago, but it is has been posted on here as an advert for the company anti-aging-plan.com which advocates an extreme diet. They are hoping to lure asthma and bronchitis sufferers by making this ridiculous claim. The clue lies in the last line of the post.
Hmmm, being a scientist myself who works in clinical research - the fact that the study only involved 10 subjects makes it essentially extremely non-scientific, particularly when you consider that the researches have a worldwide patient population to recruit from. Any study that uses only 10 sujects in a disease where there abundant known variables, is not actually useful and the results are not meaningful, statistically signifcant or conclusive. Sorry to take the wind out of your sails Mackbern if you did post this genuinely!
PS - re. Pubmed. It is only a repository for journals. It does not mean that it is agreed fact - no science is unless there is repeatable, demonstrable scientific evidence. Anyone can publish an article in a cr*ppy journal with dubious peer review processes. I'm not saying that this is the case, as I haven't had chance to chase it up. But don't be fooled into thinking that just because something's published = fact. As it's simply not true. A better clue is to find out more about how well-respected a journal is in the scientific community, as this is a reflection of the review processes in place (of data and analysis). Be logical - do you think a respiratory consultant with vast experience would have any comment for a study with 10 subjects???? Maybe in a disease that only affects 1 in 10 million people, but I wouldn't have thought that it holds up a disease as prevelant as asthma. Sorry to go on!
asthma is a very broad condition with varying and contrasting symptoms in differnet people
It is amazing what people would suggest for helping with asthma ( i tried some to no avail but found great relief with buteyko as a new lifestyle as well as breathing). Then again Viagra started its life as a drug for a specific illness as did botox. They may eventually find one for something else that has a huge effect on asthma. Lydia and Nimueh mentioned asthma and inability to exercise....
Corrected breathing, lower weight, healthier eating and balanced lifestyle definitely makes a big difference to one’s health. For those on steroids who have difficulty exercising then they should only breathe through their nose while exercising (as this limits hyperventilation during exercise or breathing going out of control during exercise). They should also walk and don’t talk – this increases risk of worsening symptoms. They should be able to talk but choose not to. For those unable to move they should be taught to relax as this reduces their breathing and heart rate without stress (mental or physiological).
In contrast to this yo-yo ADCR diet, there are many studies on the effects of hyperventilation on breathing, immunity and its effect on hormone imbalance as well as the 5 or so medical trials on buteyko, which have a relatively low number of people on each trial (limited by cost, usually around 50 people with a matching 50 in a control group, but not as low as 10!). There is increasing acceptance that these results for buteyko are ""high quality systematic reviews of case control or cohort studies"" and ""High quality case control or cohort studies with a very low risk of confounding or bias and a high probability that the relationship is causal."" Nevertheless, there is still alot of resistance to buteyko out there.
There are ongoing studies regarding buteyko and rhinitis (Ireland 2009-to be published 2011) and diabetes (UK 2010-also to be published 2011) that support its rightful place at the forefront of research into asthma and many other conditions. The difficulty with these trials is that they are normally funded by medical companies who have downstream revenue from their drug trials. The buteyko trials should be funded by Governments to enhance their peoples health (no downstream benefit as breathing is free). The pay back to governments is less illness and lower cost to medicate those that are ill.
I don’t think there was anything sinister in him withholding his name, just didn’t think it through properly - either the lack of info on himself or the sales promotion for his website.
I am well aware that just because an article is published it does not make it fact and perfectly able to critique a study. My intention was merely to point out that whilst someone is using the article as a dieting ad, somewhere along the line this article has been peer reviewed (albeit not very well) and someone somewhere thought it was worth publishing.
Anyway judging by the responses to this thread, no-one is dumb enough to half starve themselves over a poorly executed study
Childhood diet linked to asthma prevalence, adult diet linked to asthma severity
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Mark, would you care to comment on our responses here rather than copy and paste from the web.
Many people with asthma started off healthy, healthy life style, healthy weight but with the deterioration of the condition over the years, steroids, unable to exercise as it would be life threatening have become overweight! Vicious circle!
I am a normal weight, have a very healthy diets but still have severe brittle asthma and steroid dependent! Explain that??
Kate
I find my breathing is worse if I've not eaten in a while...
At least Mark came back to reply!!
I (like Kate) am a healthy weight and exercise (gently) when I can, but still have problems with my asthma. I also have a healthy diet now and did when I was younger. A lot of severe/brittle asthmatics are overweight because of the steroids they have to take.
Mark your last post contained a single Dr's opinion. Surely if the method was that wonderful more respiratory consultants would be recommending it- or it would be in the national guidelines! Also the first abstract seems to contradict itself- it states that spirometry was unaffected but pulmonary function improved.
Bryony
Here is Mark's reply - it was sent to my messages!
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response to your comment
From: Markbern
Date: 03 Dec 10 17:12
Food intolerance
Over 60 % of type I patients report at least one food or drink which makes their asthma worse. Double blind placebo-controlled food challenge (Baker et al, 1996) has confirmed a prevalence of food allergy at over 50% in type I brittle asthma with wheat and dairy products being the most important triggers.
Psychosocial factors
Psychosocial factors are important in type I brittle asthma (Garden and Ayres, 1993), with a high incidence of depression and frequent evidence of broken relationships and physical and sexual abuse in our experience. Just as common are abnormal coping strategies for managing deteriorating asthma, where panic frequently supervenes (Miles et al, 1997). However, it is difficult to be certain whether brittle asthma is associated primarily with personality disorder, or whether the threat of severe asthma induces psychological instability.
Steroid responsiveness
Patients with type I brittle asthma are usually treated with high doses of inhaled/oral steroids, yet their asthma often remains poorly controlled suggesting that there may be a degree of resistance to the anti-inflammatory effects of steroids (Barnes and Adcock. 1995
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Mark, would you care to comment personally , here, why you are posting bits of research from the internet. There does not appear to be any personal opinion from yourself!
Do you have Asthma? If so, how do you control it? Does it impact on your life?
I, and many others here are fully aware of the research undertaken by Ayres, Baker, Barnes et al.
Food intolerance - I am fully aware of my intollerances and allergies and do the upmost to avoid them!
Psychsocial factors - yes I am aware of these, none of the factors apply to me. However, if you live day by day with the threat of a sudden severe attack, it is bound to have some psychological impact on your day to day life. My coping strategy is to live life to the full and take the good times along side the not so good times! I know that if I am having a bad patch, I will eventually bounce back to some sort of steady state of instability.
Steroid responsiveness - I am steroid resistant but try to keep the steroid intake to a minimum where possible. The problem now is that my body is steroid dependent so I can probably never come off steroids completly.
Please reply to this thread and not my in box. I am sure everyone here would like to know your personal views.
Thank you,
Kate
I'm here! Sorry, got stuck in the snow.
Markbern and his posts have been removed; thanks for reporting them. However, we (and by we I mean Cathy, myself and the rest of the modding team) don't seem to be getting notified if you report anything by clicking on the ""report this post"" link, so if you want speedier action please feel free to PM me with any queries/reports/whatever, and I'll deal with them right away.
Thanks again,
Steve
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