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Question. During my recent cyroablation I felt my diaphragm pulse a few times . Has anyone else experienced that during the procedure?

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Oops! Bit harsh FJ! 😬

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Batigol in reply to Jalia

Wow, I agree, I am totally new to this forum, this is in fact my first post. In my experience of forums (Homebrewing, Astronomy, Car mechanics to name 3) The forum search engines often make it a lengthy process to find answers that are specific to your problem or query, So it is normal for the same type of questions to be asked again and again, to which members kindly provide answers. I'm beginning to think I may be in the wrong place for advice? I'm now afraid to ask a question in case it has been answered before and I get FLAMED for doing so.

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kalgs in reply to Batigol

Is just the one individual. Can’t understand his attitude. He has deflected away from the the real reason for the forum.! This is an admin issue . Let’s hope they respond?

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Jalia in reply to Batigol

Do feel free to ask any questions you like Bagitol! You are in the right place. We are actually a very friendly forum. Of course we quite regularly get the same questions asked....they are usually the easiest to answer anyhow so don't worry if you can't find them in the search engine!

😀😁

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kalgs in reply to Jalia

Thanks I’ve found the forum very helpful

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Batigol in reply to Jalia

OK thanks Jalia I will do😊

👎Yes a little harsh. Some compassion maybe?

I had trouble with my diaphragm after my ablation but it all healed up…but I think yours will just be due to them doing invasive surgery. Please don’t worry …I had so many different feelings inside my body from visual disturbances to hiccups and indigestion. My groin was painful my chest was painful and I was worried about irregular beats. I pushed most of these things aside and tried to do things I enjoyed. I watched TV and listened to the radio. I distracted myself and trusted that all would be well…and it was, but it does take time. It is very early days for you. Now..three years down the line I continue to do well.

Not during although I do recall thinking ' what the hell are you doing up there?' as they got higher up in the centre of my chest and felt like getting too close to my larynx! But pain is a funny thing and moves around. So...I had RF ablation with analgesic only and it definitely affected the movement of my diaphragm for about 3 days. I'm a voice trainer and I know what a full deep breath feels like - my diaphragm was not descending the the normal manner. I was also hoarse. But...it all sorted itself out within that first week. I had other issues but you don't need to know about those as 5 months later I feel I'm doing well. Focus on the slow upward curve towards recovery!

Mine was going ballistic, with huge spasms. I believe they stimulate the phrenic nerve to make sure they don't inadvertently damage it. It was incredibe, the assistant EP was having to pin me to the couch!I also had stripes of pain in the face as they burnt, did you get those?

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Ducky2003 in reply to Jajarunner

I felt I was being thrown about too with someone holding me as well. They were usually telling me to keep still, then do that to ya 😁.

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kalgs in reply to Ducky2003

Interestingly I was well looked after in the ward and spoken to when I went to the lab. However there was no further conversation in the lab what’s the procedure was taking place

Jalia profile image
Jalia in reply to Jajarunner

That sounds very drastic !😱

Ps there is also a lovely supportive Afib support Facebook page which you may like to join, if you find this one unsuitable....

kalgs profile image
kalgs in reply to Jajarunner

? Leave you mean

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Jajarunner in reply to kalgs

I'm on both. You should not be made to feel unwelcome but as I said on your other post, you are not the first one to be treated like this. In fact I was told I had caused my own Afib!!!! And that doing gentle exercise a few weeks after ablation would "undo my ablation". I was devastated. Luckily I was able to contact my arrythmia nurses and they said it was rubbish and what I was doing was "perfect". My EP has said same!!! Pleasant thing to go through when feeling scared though, eh?!!!!

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kalgs in reply to Jajarunner

Absolutely. It’s the risk I guess on any forum. I tend to use constructive distrust. Serve me well throughout my entire life.

This was not necessary

Stop this behaviour you are rude in the extreme

DONT REPLY. I’m not interested in your offensive comments

The phrenic nerve is nearby and can be irritated a touch by the catheter being pushed by. I had all sorts of gastric "feelings" before and after my ablation, so I can't say the ablation caused them. My diaphragm seems to be affected quite a lot with stitch-like feelings and these seem to cause tachycardia and occasional afib.

But - you are still in the so-called "blanking period" after your ablation, so there's nothing to worry about as what you are feeling is quite normal. All will be well! If you can't deal with your anxiety at present (and you won't be alone in that...), maybe ask your GP for a few diazepam tablets. They don't like giving these out, I know, but often they will prescribe a few to see you over the worst of things.

Steve

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kalgs in reply to Ppiman

Thanks. I’m actually very inquisitive and searching and often that’s the reason for my questions

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Ppiman in reply to kalgs

I suppose curiosity might have killed a few cats under some circumstances, but it does not often kill human beings!

Keep being curious, I say - it’s what leads us to knowledge.

Steve

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kalgs in reply to Ppiman

Steve thanks

Do not respond or refer to my posts .

Don’t reply to me

Yes, this was the "hiccups" I referred to in a reply to your hiccup post. It's called pacing where they stimulate the phrenic to check how much of a cryo blast they can give you before it may damage the nerve. They told me it was coming and it would feel like hiccups but it nearly jolted me off the table.

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kalgs in reply to Ducky2003

Never told me .

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Ducky2003 in reply to kalgs

I had a very chatty EP who told me what I was about to experience just before it happened, eg the septal puncture discomfort the ice cream head (which I only got once for about 5 seconds) and the "hiccups" 4 bloomin times, hiccups being a major understatement as I've moved less on a dance floor 😁.

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kalgs in reply to Ducky2003

I had the ice cream headache about four times and it was excruciating.

Ducky2003 profile image
Ducky2003 in reply to kalgs

It would be as they zapped each of the PVs. Luckily, only one of mine was awake. 😊

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kalgs in reply to Ducky2003

My goodness it was painful

Rude, unsupportive, nasty. If you can't be nice don't bother to reply. It's a delicate time for some people and they should ask all they want, it's the whole point of a support group.I also read the question as being merely inquisitive so your rudeness was doubly unnecessary.

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kalgs in reply to Jajarunner

Thanks so much

Happy you finally received some supportive replies. Hang in there and take care and be safe.

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kalgs in reply to belindalore

Thank you and the same to you .

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TracyAdminAdministrator

Hello how are you feeling now? Please do not hesitate to contact us on info@afa.org.uk for advise.

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TracyAdminAdministrator

Thank you to everyone who has offered their helpful advice to kalgs and welcome to those new members here to the Forum. May I remind everyone that the Forum is here to help provide supportive advice to other members relating to atrial fibrillation and treatments based on members own experiences. It is with regret that we have once again, received a great number of reports relating to this Post over the weekend. May I remind everyone to be courteous in your replies and if you require any advice , please contact the A F Association or speak to your own doctor, as they are best to advise you in the early days of recovery from a procedure. Many thanks, Tracy

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kalgs in reply to TracyAdmin

Totally understand and agree with your post. Slightly confused that you might be suggesting that you can’t ask or seek advice on this forum.?

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TracyAdminAdministrator

The Forum is here to provide helpful, supportive advice to all Members in a courteous and friendly manner.

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kalgs in reply to TracyAdmin

Absolutely.

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