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Nurse develops Covid after first jab.

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Had his first vaccination had time to be effective ?

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Hilly22 profile image
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Good question, it doesn’t give any dates does it? Though it stands to reason that with 2.5 million people in the UK vaccinated, even at 95% efficacy, about 125,000 of those could still get symptoms of the virus. Hope I’ve done my maths right! But he says himself that he has a mild case, maybe could’ve been worse without the vaccine? 😊

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BobDVolunteer in reply to Hilly22

Workes for me. Can't wait. Why do we always hear bad news? Lets have some happy news!

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I can’t wait either Bob, best invention since sliced bread, or even the wheel!

WhatsApped you something a week ago to make you smile, but it’s undelivered - think it’s got caught in cyberspace 😊

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BobDVolunteer in reply to Hilly22

Woke up this morning at 5 am with back in spasm so need all the fun I can find. Maxed out on pain killers at present! lol 😁

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Hilly22 in reply to BobD

So sorry to hear that Bob, I know how agonising that can be. Hope it’s better soon.

Sent it again 😀

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BobDVolunteer in reply to Hilly22

not arrived yet.

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seasider18 in reply to Hilly22

Do you really eat sliced bread ? We have made our own for about 30 years and for the past few with a mix of Marriages Finest Strong White flour and Golden Wholemeal.

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Hilly22 in reply to seasider18

Lol 😂 not very often as I have a bread maker 😋 but I do use wheels.

If the wheel had never been invented Bob would’ve probably worked on horse-drawn chariots on skis instead 😂

I bet your bread’s delicious 😋

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seasider18 in reply to Hilly22

It is and we appreciate it even more now as that flour was unavailable for some time at the start of the pandemic as so many switched to making their own. The good old days of the horse when the streets were covered in gold. My mother was born in 1907 and her father had a horse and carriage. I've a picture on the wall in front of me of Princes Street in Edinburgh with horses in 1908.

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Hilly22 in reply to seasider18

What a lovely memory seasider. I clearly remember the rag ‘n’ bone man trotting down our road with his beautiful cob 😊

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seasider18 in reply to seasider18

It's often sites like this that stir old memories. As we get older we regret not finding out more about our grandparents. Although they never really spoke about their early days.

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My husband’s grandfather drove a hansom cab.

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It was a hard life for them exposed to the elements

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He left to become a Met policeman

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Much better and with a pension

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His aim in life was to be able to draw his pension for the amount of time it took him to earn it. He made it. OH on the same track. 🙄

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That was my ambition as well. I worked for 44 years but although I have now been retired for 27 years for the first 5 1/2 I did not get a pension as I stopped work when 59. But I no longer believe that I'll reach 103

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Grandfather only did 25 years, but husband did 32, retired at 53 and got his pension then.

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So did Carole’s

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Desanthony in reply to seasider18

We too have made our own bread for many years. I have not heard of the flour you use. Is it a local brand? We have bought expensive flour from a local mill this year at times and it does make a difference but expense tends to stop us doing it regularly when we can get good bread flour in supermarkets. I have been told that the best flour is canadian. When I first looked for it had to travel 60 miles to our nearest big city to get it in Sainsbury's but now I have found that Allinsons very strong bread flours are canadian too. Its just started to get harder to get bread flour in our deliveries again so might be back to the local mill for more flour. Have you tried Rye flour? Sorry, this is a health website shouldn't be swapping baking tips LOL. Going back to doing sourdough too so don't have to fight for the last pack of yeast on the shelf.

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seasider18 in reply to Desanthony

Marriages are in Kent and sell online as well as from some stores. Waitrose did stock it but they discontinued it so we were then getting it from Ocado but they were often out of stock. We have bought it direct from Marriages but their delivery charge is a bit high. Recently found a nearby East Sussex health product company that stocks it and their delivery charge is only £3.95 for twelve bags and a two day delivery,We don't like Rye bread and have had bad results with both Allinson's flour and yeast. When I complained they said it could not be the flour !! They asked me to return the yeast and they baked with it and sent pictures of of their bread that was very different from ours. We were using a Panasonic machine and contacted them and they said that they did not have good results with Allinson's and said that they found Marriages to be the best.

Bread is surely a good subject for a health forum as it is "The staff of life "

Before we started making our own I used to buy bread made by Doves or Hovis..

in reply to BobD

Going to have my jab tomorrow! That does very happy for me.

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seasider18 in reply to Hilly22

David was one of the first to get his first dose of the Pfizer jab on the day it was first rolled out in Wales on December 8.

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dexter8479

On the other hand.....my neighbour’s brother, who is in his 80s and very frail, had his first jab on 24 December in his care home. He is of course routinely tested. So, ten days later he gets retested, and is positive, so he caught it after getting vaccinated. They rang my neighbour to tell her, said he had ‘a bit of a cough’ but otherwise felt fine. When she very apprehensively called him the next day and asked how he was feeling he said he was fine, she said what about his symptoms (cough), he replied ‘what cough? I’m feeling great! (He is mentally sharp as a tack). She bemusedly rang the care staff who confirmed he had one day of being a bit under the weather, then nothing. So, first dose given, in this case with evidently superb efficacy. I love a ‘good news’ story (and in this case not reports in papers/social media, but people I actually know!

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Hilly22 in reply to dexter8479

That’s so good to hear 😊.

In the trials there were people who tested positive after being vaccinated, but none of them got a very severe case. Sounds as if the vaccine is working well 😊

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Desanthony

If this nurse had been infected within a certain time before the vaccine was given the vaccine would not have worked and covid would have delveloped the same with being infected withing a certain time after the vaccine - anyway we are told to take the same precautions after the first vaccine as before and also I would say for 2 weeks after receiving the second vaccine to give it time to become effective. I remember years ago being told that if you had a cold or infection 10 days before getting flu jab to cancel and also not to take antibiotics for anything for ten days after - this came up when I was going into hospital for a small procedure which would involve having antibiotics just over the 10 day limit.

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Jajarunner

I understood that you can still get Covid but a milder form. And it takes 21 days to get the immunity. And you may still be able to transmit it even if you have had the vaccine.Long way to go yet, but we are getting there.

Ps I'm personally happy to go for a jab at 3 am so roll out the 24 hour jabathon asap!

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momist

Sorry BobD , I have read today a report by a statistician (doesn't everybody love them?) that although the rate of new infections may have started to fall, hospital admissions will continue to rise until early to mid February, and the death toll will double from the current rate before starting to fall in mid February. That means deaths of more than 3000 per day.

Keep to the rules everyone, and stay safe.

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Buffafly

As my mother used to quote ‘It’s being so cheerful that keeps me going 😩’

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seasider18 in reply to Buffafly

She got that one from Mona Lott a character in Tommy Handley's war time radio Show ITMA (It's That Man Again ) Thursday nights at 8pm. It had some great characters and catch phrases. With my glass of wine in front of I'll be like Colonel Chinstrap and say 'I'll or was it Lets have another one'It was a really fast show with short sketches and must have been where Rowan and Martin got their idea for their Laugh In. We had some good radio shows then. Others were the Charlie Chester Show and Much Binding in the Marsh with Richard Murdoch and Kenneth Horne/.

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Buffafly in reply to seasider18

I knew where it came from but that’s it, and as I child I didn’t know where it came from but I realised it was a quote. My mother used it a lot! She didn’t approve of negativity 🙁

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seasider18 in reply to Buffafly

It was a very commonly used expression at the time. My mother used it as well. Another was 'Youv'e never died a winter yet'It now seems to used world wide but I think I first heard on the Scottish radio show The MacFlannels.

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colo60

I agree, - cautious optimism is the way I feel, plus the added issue of does it work against the new strains we are hearing about, nothing definite on this as I write, the other aspect that I find worrying is that getting the 1st jab may well ease people's minds, BUT, the manufacturer's have tested the vaccine with a 2nd jab 21days later , ( NOT 84 days later !! ) as I believe now the government are telling us, By not adhering to the manufacturer's guideline's give's that manufacturer a " disclaimer " meaning they cannot be sued by the public if the vaccine as serious adverse affects on their health , because their guidelines and advice have NOT been adhered to, why does this not worry anyone ? in a nutshell, how do we know this vaccine will work without following the manufacturers stipulations ? am I wrong not questioning this issue ...

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colo60

Appreciate the balanced comments john6, I understand the fright aspect regarding other people when one questions and has an opinion, I guess one does'nt come over as truthful or knowledgable as a TV set or a politician ( I smile ) I've just read an article in the Independent from 2 days ago, it concerns Baroness Joan Bakewell ( well respected and knowledgable lady ) who is in the legal process of challenging the government and matt hancock on the governments delay regarding 2nd follow up jabs and the safety aspects, it really is worth the read ( can be found by googling ) - people's choice is their own to make, ignorance is optional ..

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seasider18 in reply to colo60

And Dame Joan did get her second vaccine jab.

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colo60 in reply to seasider18

Thanks for that seasider18, where is that mentioned ? because I can't find the info' - I hope she has, has that stopped her legally challenging the government ?

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seasider18 in reply to colo60

This is taken from yesterdays Daily Mail;

We were promised them but ain't getting them :-)

Last week it emerged that doctors would defy Government orders to give a second dose of the Pfizer jab to those elderly patients who were promised one when they got their first injections.

Dame Joan said that while she did not disagree with the idea of giving as many people as possible the first dose, so that they have some protection rather than none, she said 'clarity' was 'desperately' needed.

She added: 'My sense of limbo is worsened because some doctors' leaders have now spoken out, saying they believe that delaying the second jab is "grossly unfair" and "undermines the vaccine programme as a whole".

Dame Joan posted her crowdfunding campaign on website crowdjustice.com and said she was aiming to raise a minimum of £5,000.

'My intent is to establish whether the proposed delay to the administration of the second dose of Pfizer Vaccine is lawful and safe,' she wrote.

Complete article with theory that delaying second jab will allow the new strains to mutate.

dailymail.co.uk/news/articl...

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colo60 in reply to seasider18

Excellent stuff, it's nice to know that someone is concerned enough to stand the public's corner and request answers, I applaud the lady for doing so ! I also come back to the fact that if the vaccine was tested at 21 days 2nd dose, then why are government officials that had nothing to do with manufacture or test, intervening with 84 days ? doctors, as in your comment are saying they'll ignore the government and do 21 days, is that 100% of doctors or just the rebels ) , all this is alarming to the people who simply want to be safe and secure in the knowledge they are being treated 100% properly, and I simply ask, where does any liability start and end for the public's health if anything befall's them negatively? at the moment the government overrule the manufacturer's guidance and test and stipulations, that surely clears the manufacturer of any liability, it does look good on gov' stats though when they can double up figures on 1st jabs, Good luck to the Dame Joan in her quest !

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seasider18 in reply to colo60

It looked promising when doctors initially were going to do the right thing by their patients but it now seems to be the minority. I was sure that our doctor would stick with the manufacturers times. However our practice had just joined up with two others in massive new building and he may now be in a minority. They have taken over an unused shop premises in a shopping centre for the vaccinations and are planning to vaccinate 30,000 patients over three months.

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colo60 in reply to seasider18

Thanks seasider for the input, opinions and debate matter, we both, I know, want the best outcome for the people, I just learned something new by listening, P Vallance on tv stated that the vaccine administered does'nt stop one catching the virus or passing it on, - so therefore must hopefully alleviate the symptoms in order to make one better, I conclude and end by thanking you for your input ..

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seasider18 in reply to colo60

There is a report from Norway that 23 over 80 care home residents have died of vaccination side effects.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl...

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colo60 in reply to seasider18

Very kind of you seasider to inform me, my appreciation !!

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That is what we are here for to help others and share information.Sleep well

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Headlines:

Eileen Davies, 82, tested positive for the virus after having vaccine a month ago

•Several nurses in Wales have also caught Covid after recieving their first doses

•It comes as NHS hospital in Southampton told staff not to give second jabs early

•Government is stretching doses as far apart as possible to make supplies last

•But medics are concerned it offers less protection and isn't scientifically

proven.

dailymail.co.uk/news/articl...

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colo60 in reply to seasider18

This is getting interesting, especially when one reads about the Norway deaths, ( the quote in that report " we are not alarmed " ? ) I guess the dead folks relatives share that opinion ! NOT Again I offer my thanks seasider 18 appreciated

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My local pharmacist said that the vaccination centre is getting a lot of 'No Shows and late in the day they are encouraging passers by to come in to use up the days vaccine.I was at the local hospital today that is also a centre But did not see any big notice to guide people to it.

I have a 93 year old neighbour who doesn't want it.

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colo60 in reply to seasider18

I read in the spectator a couple days back, was their "covid update", ( easily checked ) that 1 in 5 care home workers have refused it, being in the front trenches so to speak, I found this quite alarming, i'm not saying people should "not" have the jab, but simply look for information beforehand personal choice ! - again my thanks seasider18,

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seasider18 in reply to colo60

The situation is evidently becoming so serious in Eastbourne hospital that eight Royal Artillery have been brought in as porters and cleaners. Differently a group of 30 people gathered to film a music video on a sixth floor car park and were fine £10K.

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After reading this seasider18 I researched about the UK service medical personnel numbers regarding how many could be called upon, approx DMS 12000 total = 8000 + 4000 reservists comes nowhere near the figur of NHS staff off work due to illness or isolating which is many 1000s .. The armed services are actually intergrated as well in some form within the NHS..

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Article in today's Daily Mail by

Herb Sewell emeritus professor of immunology at Nottingham University.

There is no doubt that it is an extraordinary achievement to have vaccinated so many people in such a short time.

Almost five million have now had injections, and vaccines are certainly the way out of the pandemic crisis.

But I firmly believe that they should be used as they were intended to be. And that by delaying the second dose we could be making a terrible mistake.

All the data shows that the Covid-19 mRNA Pfizer vaccine requires two jabs, three weeks apart – but the Government has abandoned that simple, proven schedule.

Data shows the Covid-19 mRNA Pfizer vaccine requires two jabs, three weeks apart – but the Government has abandoned that simple schedule

It now seems clear that the current strategy, to give the second dose of the vaccine after a delay of 12 weeks, has been shown by data from Israel to be much less effective than the UK Government suggested.

Worse, I think it carries significant dangers, because a weak immune response – as reported in patients after only one dose of mRNA vaccine – could encourage new, vaccine-resistant strains to evolve.

This would be more likely to happen in older people because the immune system changes as we age. It is concerning that this is exactly the group for whom the second dose is being delayed.

Most international medical bodies – the World Health Organisation, the Centre for Disease Control, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration – are saying the same thing: we must stick to the schedule defined by the manufacturers of the vaccines, Pfizer and Moderna.

Instead, Matt Hancock and the Department of Health – in the hope that it will save more lives – are pushing ahead with what many scientists and clinicians now regard as a gamble. Within six weeks of the first frontline medical staff getting a single jab, we are hearing of cases of Covid infection. Whatever immunity was provided by the vaccine has, it seems, already worn off or been ineffective in these cases.

I am convinced this is because the medicine was specifically designed to be administered in two stages at specific times. The first dose is a primer, stimulating so-called ‘memory cells’.

The second injection stimulates those cells and triggers a more lasting immune response. I am deeply concerned by data now emerging from Israel, following up 200,000 cases of people who were given a first jab of the Pfizer vaccine. After 14 days, their neutralising antibody levels waned very quickly, leaving two-thirds of them vulnerable to infection.

The manufacturer conducted gold-standard trials before the vaccine was approved, and concluded that a single jab would confer slightly better than 50 per cent immunity.

But those trials were done with people of all ages, and we know that it is the over 70s who are most at risk. The Israeli data is based on a sample of people aged 60 and over.

It is clear that in this real-world situation, 33 per cent immunity was the best achievable from a single jab. This surely poses the question of how the Government got it so wrong? Their claim that one jab was protective in 89 per cent of cases was hung on an assumption – based on past experience with vaccines – rather than data, which may be wishful thinking but not good science.

Crucially, the makers never claimed a single jab would be enough. That decision has been made by politicians, who saw that the vaccine would be in short supply to begin with, and decided to spread it thinly.

They thought that, by postponing the second doses, they could double the reach of the vaccinations, justifying this by public health considerations in a spiralling pandemic.

The makers never said a single jab would be enough- that decision made by politicians, who saw that the vaccine would be in short supply to begin with, and decided to spread it thin

This notion was heavily promoted by Tony Blair, the former prime minister who has been a major influence on Government policy during the pandemic. Scientists from his Tony Blair Institute advised Whitehall’s officers, quite erroneously, that a single dose would be efficacious. Unless they can produce scientific data to back up their claims, their advice in my view should be rejected.

Matt Hancock appeared to mislead Parliament yesterday when he claimed that the Israeli data was broadly supportive of his Government’s policy. To his credit, the chief scientific adviser, Sir Patrick Vallance, does seem to recognise there is a problem.

He has said, ‘We need to look at this very carefully – we just need to keep measuring and understanding it.’

But this is no time for prevarication. It is imperative that we take the data from Israel very seriously and act on it now. In my view we have to give two jabs, as scheduled in the large clinical trials that tested the vaccines – just as the drug companies have always told us.

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colo60 in reply to seasider18

This is really interesting seasider18 thank you, when I first voiced my alarm at "suits " interfering in the second dose process by going against the manufacturers guideline/ testing and recommendations by prolonging 22 days to 84 I was beginning to feel like a flat earth theorist, majority of people I shared the concern with, shaking their heads if though I was a anti vaccine conspiracy voice, far from it !!! I asked the question of what was happening and why ? what had to be gained by prolonging against the manufacturers instructions by a government ?? the worry I had, was stats and data use to promote a governments standing, for example I have 4 million shots , 2 mill now and 2 mill follow up 21 days, But I can only say "2 mill " administered, but if I prolong the 2nd shot to 84 days I can say "4 mill" administered, which looks far better statically in positive propaganda terms when I give a press release !! what other reason is there for prolonging a 2nd dose by suits, and going against the manufacturer ?? which also gives indemnity against the manufacturer being sued because their instructions have NOT been followed .. again my thanks seasider18 for caring enough to post !

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seasider18 in reply to colo60

We should be the ones taking to the streets and not the Ant vaxers. Whover thought that Blair could ever be believed again ? I was very surprised at my hospital appointment yesterday that there was no temperature checking on the way in.

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colo60 in reply to seasider18

When this all first started last year I contacted my tory MP, I, I also spoke with the City environment leader ( most honest person i've spoke to ) my concern at the time was the issue of surfaces people touch, as I believed the masks appear to do a job ( logically ) BUT ! supermarket surfaces we all touch from fridge sliders/ doors, till belts etc' plus the many people that used taxi's, both door handles and upholstery, include bus handle grabs and trains too, the list is endless, my MP emailed me government guidelines ???? I knew these, my issue was alarm at spread through surfaces ( MP = political robot ) the environment person far more interested and accepted this could be problematic.... I now ( after 10months since my concern ) see that supermarkets are issuing guidelines on touching / surfaces, now look !!! I am a retired decorator and no expert, other a degree in common sense and logic lol, if I raised this sometime around April last year, why as it took so long for the penny to drop ? how many have been infected and passed the virus on this way ? Donkeys at the front, Lions at the back ! - cheers seasider18

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seasider18 in reply to colo60

Another excellent post. Surfaces have always been my main concern. I open all the door handles in our flats with my elbow and push them open with my hip. People all look and smile at us as we wear Marigold gloves when outside as we can wash them before our hands when we get home and the bright yellow makes us stop putting our hands towards our face. Though now we have not been into a shop since March and buy everything on line and get our exercise just a few hundred yards away on the seafront.

I had another hospital appointment today and the soldiers seem not to have any portering or cleaning to do and were standing in an enclosed area in the foyer.

Two female volunteers were directing patients to hand cleansing and free masks. I got into conversations with one and we disagreed strongly on the change of vaccination policy' As volunteers they had both been vaccinated.

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The gloves is an option and a good one personally, especially on transport, or mandatory hand cleansing on entering shops / offices, the stood lol, maybe they look reassuring to people ? i smile over your few words with the volunteers, they are to be commended as you will agree for being to help, we have one in the wider family bless her, when I discussed the vaccine there was no debate, she had the officialdom to inject lol, I left alone, I was merely putting a question ie; is there any problem with multiple vaccines administered ? I've been offered flu, pneumonia, shingles and covid , so 4, -question , has tests been done in order to know there will be no adverse affects to this cocktail of vaccines so to speak ? or any other medicines taken ? the frosty look look and audacity to question her new found professionalism was enough for me to politely smile n walk away. - Boris says today the vaccines may not work against the sth African variant and Brazilian variant ? ah well there we go ! - thanks again for the input

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seasider18 in reply to colo60

More of the same in today's Mail.Desperate gambles must be taken in any war. And the Government is taking a titanic risk in the fight against Covid-19 by leaving a three-month gap between people getting their first and second doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.

The manufacturer’s recommendation is that the second jab should be given within three weeks of the first one.

But Mr Hancock was unmoved: ‘You want as many people to have as much protection as possible as quickly as possible.’

The Government’s strategy is backed by the UK’s four chief medical officers who say the ‘great majority’ of initial protection comes from the first jab, while the second dose is likely to help protection last longer.

This approach is also backed by Public Health England, an executive agency of the Department of Health and Social Care.

Its medical director Dr Yvonne Doyle says the current strategy is ‘about bearing down on transmission’ to reduce deaths.

But Health Secretary Matt Hancock hopes that by using all available supplies to give as many Britons as possible their first jab – rather than expending half on prompt follow-up vaccinations – he can land the pandemic a knock-out blow. If his gamble is wrong, it could spell disaster.

And no less a body than the British Medical Association is convinced it is. The doctors’ trade union has written to Mr Hancock urging him to cut the gap to six weeks on the grounds that there are ‘growing concerns’ that the vaccine could become less effective if doses are spaced 12 weeks apart.

It argues that the UK’s strategy ‘has become increasingly isolated internationally’ and ‘is proving ever more difficult to justify’.

The more people that are protected against this virus, the less opportunity it has to get the upper hand,’ she said.

But if the experts can’t agree, where does that leave the average citizen?

The problem is that in the depths of this pandemic crisis, there isn’t the time to test the various scenarios by running intricate clinical trials lasting many months or years.

And what little clinical evidence is emerging appears to be only adding to the confusion.

Last week for example, Nachman Ash, who leads Israel’s vaccination programme, caused a global scare by declaring that single doses of the Pfizer vaccine were proving ‘less effective than we thought’.

This was then rubbished by Israel’s ministry of health, which called Ash’s comments ‘out of context and therefore inaccurate’.

Morally, our health leaders are in a cleft stick. England’s deputy chief medical officer Professor Jonathan Van-Tam responded to calls for the vaccine gap to be halved, asking: ‘Who on the at-risk list should suffer slower access to their first dose so that someone else who’s already had one dose (and therefore most of the protection) can get a second?’

There is a pragmatic point too. Dr Doyle says that widespread first-jabbing may cut the risk of more dangerous variants of the virus emerging.

‘The more people that are protected against this virus, the less opportunity it has to get the upper hand,’ she argues.

Indeed, the fewer people who develop Covid-19, the less chance the virus has to mutate inside them to produce more deadly forms that require new vaccinations.

But another fundamental medical ethic may clash with all of this – the duty to do the least harm.

As Herb Sewell, emeritus professor of immunology at Nottingham University, warned in the Mail last week, people given only one jab for three months may develop an immune defence that is too weak to kill the coronavirus, and instead only teach it how to beat the vaccine.

This is particularly worrying in older people – the first targets for inoculation – who generally have weaker immune systems.

On top of this, many people given only a first jab may mistakenly believe themselves immune to Covid-19, but could still catch it and spread it widely.

Whose strategy is right, whose is wrong? Seeking a definitive answer right now is like searching for a hypodermic needle in a haystack.

A total of 6.3million people have now received their first coronavirus vaccine in the UK, government figures show. Only 469,660 – or 7.5 per cent – have had their second dose.

The good news is that the Pfizer vaccine is the chief concern here. The Government’s Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation says that unpublished data indicates the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine is still effective with doses 12 weeks apart.

Only events will judge whether our health bosses become hailed as innovative heroes or lambasted as fools and villains. Who can envy them their task?

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colo60 in reply to seasider18

seasider18, thank you for taking the time to care and bring information to share with people, the problem I am afraid is that the majority simply don't care, they will go willingly ( frightening ) and take Mr Hancock at his word, A man in a suit on telly and NOT adhere to what the manufacturer's guidance and test is stipulated, so many ( no not all ) believe, get the jab and book an holiday ! I'm cured i'm free !!! let us hope so seasider18,

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seasider18 in reply to colo60

Another headline suggested that the government would take away licences from hospitals giving second vaccinations in less than twelve weeks.

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A friend who is an ENT surgeon had Covid early on. Wasn’t very poorly. Has had both his jabs the second on New Year’s Eve , and is now at home self isolating because he has tested positive again. He is a symptomatic . You can obviously still catch it and transmit it after you have been vaccinated

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seasider18

If this is duplicated my original post went walkabout. That is truly dreadful getting it after his initial infection was supposes to have given him some protection but to get it again must be completely unexpected and must surely be investigated.We have two neighbours with a holiday home who are a virologist and an epidemiologist but they cant get here again at the present time or I would be able to ask their opinions.

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