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Interesting article about controlling AFib without drugs

Mollybear
Mollybear

My wife's functional medicine MD suggested that I might benefit from this article from 2013. I am pretty much doing what the article recommends and have now closing in on 1 year AFib free, which to me is a miracle considering I have had episodes since 1986! I am going to tweak my vitamin intake based on this.

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I enjoyed reading this article written in 2013, it confirms a lot of things that can cause AF that we've only just started to talk about. Plus it's worked for you, thank you for sharing!

Jean

Thank you for posting this. I'm sure many will find it very helpful.

Very interesting, but if i stopped blood thinners and followed the diet would i have a stroke..

is it worth the risk

Mollybear
Mollybear in reply to higgy52

My cardiologist admitted that a stroke caused by a brain bleed because of blood thinners would be worse than one caused by a clot. The clot can be easily dissolved with TPA if treated quickly. With a brain bleed they may have to open your skull.

The low carb diet do you cut out all carbs altogether? None at all?

Padayn01
Padayn01 in reply to Padayn01

Where do you get that fish oil from

Mollybear
Mollybear in reply to Padayn01

Not sure where you are located. In the US there are multiple manufacturers that offer high DHA fish oil. I use the Vital Nutrients brand.

Padayn01
Padayn01 in reply to Mollybear

luckyvitamin.com/p-285867-v...

Padayn01
Padayn01 in reply to Mollybear

Is this the one?

Mollybear
Mollybear in reply to Padayn01

In our household we are on keto, which means we make every effort to keep the total number of carbs for the day between 20 and 30 grams.

Interesting. I take magnesium, CoQ10, fish Oil and B group Vitamins. I eat well and low carb (most of the time) and make sure I get plenty of sleep.

Hidden
Hidden

I knew I was right with not taking any drugs, anticoagulants included...

Any taking of chemical compositions, that are strange to the body, is connected with an increased risk of causing a disbalance in the body.

Unfortunately, any kind of a "special diet" does the same. Any other intervention in that direction, like taking plenty of electrolytes, also does the same. You can never be sure about the consequences... I consume absolutely all kinds of natural food, but in a very strange way - in minimum quantities to keep me alive. It is the hardest thing under the Sun! 70% of Americans and people from UK are overweight or obese. It is where the mistake is made! Reduce the weight, and most of your health problems will clear off. Many people in the forum have suggested it in several occasions, and they were damn' right.

Wishing you all the best,

"Barbara"

Hidden
Hidden in reply to Hidden

Barbara, so if I understand you correctly, you take no meds, no stimulents and follow a near starvation diet? Does exercise have a place and are you eating animal products? Very interested in your protocol. It does sound very tough to follow especially at this time of year.

Hidden
Hidden in reply to Hidden

No, I am not starving at all. I keep the same weight (70-72 kg / 174 cm) for the past 40 years or so. You would be surprised with how little food I can live. I do not consider myself to be something special, but if small quantities of food are taken during prolonged period of time, than the body uses it with an efficiency of almost 100% . We should never load our body with too much food or too much liquid. Even drinking a lot of water, what some members have reported to do, is wrong. Eat when hungry, drink when thirsty, it is the best way. Your body will tell you what to do, listen to it.

Since all cardiac arrhythmia are of electro-mechanical nature, it is where the cure should be looked for, and it is exactly what I do. It is well known to many forum members - they successfully apply Valsalva maneuver from time to time, but Valsalva is only one of many "body manipulations" which can help control arrhythmia. Some day, chiropractors (EngMac was reporting about it in several occasions) may be the place where all of us will find the cure...

bantam12
bantam12 in reply to Hidden

I weigh 61kg, never been above 65kg yet have many health problems so weight and weight reduction is clearly not the cause and cure for everyone.

Hidden
Hidden in reply to bantam12

Being with low weight DOES NOT guarantee that you will have no health problems, but being overweight DOES guarantee that you will have them, sooner or later. My own father was 181 cm and 67 kg almost all of his life, so seriously underweight. In the 1960es, where he got ill, nobody knew to tell what the cause was. I wish I knew than, what I know now. His problem was a serious dysautonomia, the disturbance of all the automatics in his body. It is exactly what gets disturbed in overweight people, so hence the diabetes, asthma, autoimmune diseases and the rest...

Staffsgirl
Staffsgirl in reply to Hidden

How does all this affect your fibromyalgia?

Hidden
Hidden in reply to Staffsgirl

During the day, I control my AF very successfully. Never had any cardioversion since I always succeed to make it through body manipulations. At night, when asleep and irresponsible, I feel AF or AFlutter, but the symptoms are very mild. I am not fibro sufferer, just researching fibro...

Auriculaire
Auriculaire in reply to Hidden

You will get very few interested in such a philosophy here in France where eating well is almost a religion and the pleasures of the table taken very seriously indeed. Especially at this time of year! Judging from the proliferation of indigestion and constipation remedy ads on the tv disturbed guts are considered a price worth paying. Funnily enough until recently obesity rates here have been way below those of the UK and the US.

Hidden
Hidden in reply to Auriculaire

Every pleasure has to be paid for. Unfortunately, who eats too much, pays with the health. In Serbia, we have more and more fat people, even the children are overweight in an percentage of 30%. Instead of benefiting from having the chance to feed in the way we want, we get ill. And we pretend to be "smart" species...

Auriculaire
Auriculaire in reply to Hidden

I think the increase in obesity here has more to do with the ever increasing proportions of manufactured food on supermarket shelves coupled with less exercise. When I first came to France for holidays over 30 years ago it was extremely rare to see overweight children and young adults. Even true obesity in older women rather than post menopausal stoutness was not that common. Unlike in the UK where the obesity epidemic was well under way. But people mainly stuck to traditional patterns of eating even if overeating on special occasions was de rigeur.

Hidden
Hidden in reply to Auriculaire

It is very "modern" to blame fast food for obesity of people, meaning that the structure of the food is to blame. In my opinion, the problem is the quantity. We have here, in Serbia, sandwiches named "student sandwiches." It is a loaf of bread, filled with ham slices and everything else, enough for an adult person for the whole day. They are tasty and payed for, so whoever buys it, eats it to the end, rarely sharing it with street dogs. If people regularly feed in the street, consuming "fast food", they regularly overeat, perhaps without noticing it. If people feed in restaurants, it is very similar - we have the portions of meat of 400 gr pro portion. Jesus, me and my wife use 400 gr of meat for the whole week! All our politicians are fat, because they regularly go to the restaurants and are exposed to the torture with mercilessly big portions. Poor them!

Auriculaire
Auriculaire in reply to Hidden

If the food has no nutrients then the body will demand more . Portions in restaurants here have actually diminished. Certainly 400 gms of meat is an enormous amount to eat at once.

Thank you, very interesting.

Thanks Mollybear, I think we should all go to a Functional medicine MD and a regular doctor/hospital for emergencies.

Thank you for posting this link, very interesting reading.

Bery helpful, thank you for sharing.

That was absolutely fascinating thank you for posting it I'm going to give it a try

Interesting article. I do not think he is right about NOACS disturbing vit K metabolism. I understood that they work on a different part f the clotting system.

Coco51
Coco51 in reply to Auriculaire

NOACs and Warfarin do act on different clotting mechanisms.

If you take vitamin K with Warfarin, which is a vitamin K inhibitor, wouldn't that counteract the anticoagulant effect of the drug?

Auriculaire
Auriculaire in reply to Coco51

I have seen stuff recommending this. You then match the Warfarin to the vit k supplement and because this is a lot more than the various amounts in fruit and veg you are more stable. I have seen reports from people who do this and say it works. It is supposed to be K1 that acts on clotting and K2 that you take so i am not sure of the logic. When first diagnosed with afib and put on a vit k antagonist I asked the hospital doctor if this would result in greater calcification of arteries due to K2 being affected as well. He looked bewildered. He obviously had no idea that there was more than one type of vit K and what their respective roles were . When are they going to start training doctors properly in how our bodies respond to the food we eat? Or for that matter the side effects of the drugs they dish out. Better training in pharmacology and nutrition would improve medicine a lot.

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