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Diet specifics?

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pd63
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Are there specifics pointing to better prostate health or just keep to a healthy balanced diet

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Tall_Allen

We haven't found anything to add or avoid in the diet that makes a convincing difference. But keeping the body in top shape is probably the best anyone can do. As we get older and metabolism slows, and especially with ADT, it's a good idea to cut caloric intake and increase caloric use through exercise. I think variety is important - give your body and your microbiome everything they need - variety of protein sources, plant-based fats, limited and complex carbs, lots of different highly colored fruits and vegetables.

I hate to see cancer patients deny themselves the pleasures of life. I believe in a holistic approach - meaning body, mind and spirit. If one can improve the quality of one's life with the occasional rib-eye or tiramisu, it is worth it.

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pd63 in reply to Tall_Allen

Fillet steak cooked blue and a nice bottle of amarone are my go to

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ML1910 in reply to Tall_Allen

Tall_Allen on board with that guidence!!! I use to eat steak twice a week. I have not had red meat since I was DX'd and have been following pretty much what you describe but will do a steak once my treatment is finished..

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Gl448 in reply to Tall_Allen

this response should be pinned.

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smurtaw in reply to Tall_Allen

I agree but for anyone reading this, occasional does not mean that every mealtime is an occasion. I have hamburger or dessert perhaps once a week.

I find many of the nutritious foods very tasty. The ones I don't like I don't eat (broccoli for example, I'm well aware of purported benefits but I do not like the taste).

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Miomarito in reply to Tall_Allen

Great post Allen!

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One-Eyed-Jack

Steak, beer, nachos with cheese, fajitas and green beans.

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Nusch

I benefit from whole food plant based diet a lot.

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pilot52

Interesting, just had a great report on my infusion here in India. While Dr. Sen said she sees a slight improvement on people who eat plant based we both feel that those people usually have a higher bar all around when it comes to diet. Her concern there is lack of protein. I think you will agree if you eat clean , exercise, and not be a junk food junkie , with low quality meats or fish you are in pretty good zone. Keeping your weight off is crucial too. Thats my two cents....about to catch the freedom bird home.. Blue Skies,,,, even in Delhi today, had a strong wind and blew the smog out!

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lespaul123

The healthiest most anti-inflammatory diet you can get your hands on. Also, The Harvard School of Public Health states - 300 minutes of aggressive walking per week lowers all cause mortality - including prostate cancer - by 61%.

A great adjunct to any treatment protocol.

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Lrv44221

WE do well with a plant-based🍏🥦🥕🍎🥭 diet, nothing processed.

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smurtaw

13. Good diet recommendations. This is close to what I follow. I removed all dairy and egg yolks and I added whey isolate: The American Heart Association Diet and Lifestyle Recommendations | American Heart Association

heart.org/en/healthy-living...

6. Primary Prevention of Cardiovascular Disease with a Mediterranean Diet Supplemented with Extra-Virgin Olive Oil or Nuts | NEJM

nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa...

7. Can the Mediterranean diet slow prostate cancer progression? | MD Anderson Cancer Center

mdanderson.org/cancerwise/m...

8. NHANES: Alcohol Intake and Risk of Lethal Prostate Cancer in the Health Professionals Follow-Up Study - PubMed

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/310...

9. Mediterranean diet and prostate cancer risk and mortality in the Health Professionals Follow-up Study – PubMed

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/239...

10. Progress in Prostate Cancer Research | Plant-Based Diets and Prostate Cancer | ZERO - The End of Prostate Cancer

zerocancer.org/blog/progres...

Exercise:

1. Outpacing cancer with exercise: Q & A with KPE’s Linda Trinh | UofT - Faculty of Kinesiology & Physical Education

kpe.utoronto.ca/faculty-new...

2. According to the U.S. government, for adults with prostate cancer, greater amounts of physical activity after diagnosis help to substantially lower the risk of dying from their cancer: Physical Activity Guidelines for Americans, 2nd edition

health.gov/sites/default/fi...

3. For RP patients, 10-year distant metastasis-free survival rate is over 4 times better for men in the top 25% of psoas muscle strength/mass vs the bottom 25%. 10-year CSS was almost 6 times better. 10-year OSS was over 2.5 times greater: Association of Muscle Mass with Survival after Radical Prostatectomy in Patients with Prostate Cancer

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/309...

4. NHANES: Physical activity and survival after prostate cancer diagnosis in the health professionals follow-up study - PubMed

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/212...

5. American Cancer Society guideline for diet and physical activity for cancer prevention - Rock - 2020 - CA: A Cancer Journal for Clinicians - Wiley Online Library

acsjournals.onlinelibrary.w...

6. PCF estimates that exercising reduces reoccurrence risk by 60%. Start small if you need to. Many of the benefits can be obtained by simply walking a few times each day: DIY Home Fitness: Work with What You Have, Start Small, and Do Great Things | Prostate Cancer Foundation

pcf.org/c/diy-home-fitness-...

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Miomarito in reply to smurtaw

great post, Smarty… thanks for the links!

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jfoesq

For what it's worth- I have a memory of my grandmother from abut 50 years ago. Se was living with us and had heart disease, high blood pressure and who knows what. My parents restricted her diet. One day, she snuck out of our suburban home and "went missing". My brother and I were told to get on our bicycles and locate her, as she couldn't have walked very far. We found her a few blocks away at the local deli, ordering a pastrami on rye. I always smile when I think about it. We didn't let her eat her get and eat her sandwich. I always wonder whether that was the right decision. Afterall, what is life without some joy?

My docs at MSKCC advised me to eat a "heart-healthy" diet. I stopped eating red meat and crappy foods for 5 years. Then, I started eating meat again about 5 years ago. But- I still cut back SUBSTANTIALLY on crappy food (i.e. ice cream, french fries, potato chips....)

I had a "hiccup" in my treatment (Lupron, Zytiga and Prednisone) results last year when my PSA began to appear again and it started doubling at very low levels. (to around .32) They radiated my largest of several tumors, because PSMA scan indicated it was responsible for the return and increase of PSA. I am now testing below .05 again for the last few months and keeping my fingers crossed.

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NecessarilySo

I have read that red meat animal fat should be avoided for aPC, so I avoid beef. Anti-cancer diets recommend bright colored vegetables and low saturated fats. I like to eat foods that kill prostate cancer cells like tomato-based foods (lycopenes), black pepper and curry powder, etc.

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pd63 in reply to NecessarilySo

I just think it's anecdotal all this diet info, just stick to recommended balanced eating is the best

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Miomarito in reply to pd63

I don’t think so pd, we have prostate cancer and need all the help we can get. I believe cutting out many of the foods mentioned here in this post, would be good idea.

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NecessarilySo in reply to pd63

There are a ton of books about the subject. My opinion is that diet is crucial to control of cancer.

e.g. amazon.com/Cancer-Secrets-I...

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BanjoPicker

I know there are benefits to plant based diets. I justify my consumption of meat by limiting myself to only eating animals that are on plant based diets.

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maley2711 in reply to BanjoPicker

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Jalbom49

I don’t believe that any science has shown a definite benefit for prostate cancer. So what diet is best for general health?

Here I think the influence of the American HeartvAssociation has been entirely negative and not science based. The Diabetic Association has not been much better.

Before I developed prostate cancer I had totally reversed long-standing diabetes with normal A1c on no medication by an ancestral keto diet and time restricted eating.

By 1940 the greatest comparative nuitrtionist Weston A. Price had determined by traveling the world and testing dietary samples that the “displacing foods of modern commerce” had consistently worsened the health of peoples worldwide.

The main components of these foods were sugar, vegatable oils, and roller processed grains.

With recent research, especially by Cris Knobbe M.D. we can now identify the so called vegetable oils, really seed and bean oils, as the chief culprit.others, like Dr Cate Shannahan in her book Deep Nutrition go into detail

Many independent doctors, including cardiologists like Arthur Agatston, of the South Beach Diet and the cardiac calcium scoring system, now agree that the fundamental cause of coronary artery disease is insulin resistance and subsequent metabolic disfunction..

Not saturated fat and cholesterol and red meat. We now know that the vegatable oils are a cause of obesity and insulin resistance, the main risk factors for heart disease.

What about autoimmune disease also implicated in heart disease? Modern hybrid wheat and other plants have been implicated. Elimination diets help people with this. Soy is another problem. The carnivores, who only eat animal products will say plants are trying to kill you.

I no longer have Graves Disease, autoimmune thyroiditis since I eliminated grains in 2013, ie wheat.

So you can be a vegetarian or a carnivore if you avoid the ultra refined oils sugar and processed grains. Vegan, not so much.

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NecessarilySo

One fact I doubt anyone will disagree with is that Asians have less prostate cancer. There are charts all over the internet that show that. When Asians come to the U.S. the incidence rises. The obvious explanation for that is diet.

p.s. Trans fat is a contributor to heart disease. Cooking olive oil breaks it down to trans fat. If you cook olive oil, keep heat down.

A 2021 study from Japan looking at 26,464 men found that milk consumption increased the risk of prostate cancer by 37%. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

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SimMartin

It is important to distinguish between diet (and other variables) that have an effect lost diagnosis or even later in life than variables that are life long or established at a young age.

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