Good Article on the importance of exercise when one has prostate cancer ... "Why Exercise Is Important When You Have Prostate Cancer, and the Best Workouts to Do" ...
livestrong.com/article/1372...
"Did you know - Prostate cancer patients who exercise vigorously 3 times per week were found to be 61% less likely to die of prostate cancer than men who exercise less than 1 hour per week?"
Is this before or after diagnosis?
Before diagnosis I was professional Coach-Sportsman and very fit. These days 30-40min walking the dog is about the most exercise I can do.
My Mets is so extensive and pain so horrible, their is no way I could exercise as stated. I can keep on my feet for about an hour before needing to rest, anything more physical like walking it would be down to 30-40min
Keep on walking Zetabow!
hi Zetabow ... i encourage you check-out envita.com ... especially the section on prostate cancer ... hopefully they can help you get rid of your pain
Malecare is midway in developing a program called 30 Minutes to Live We hope to launch before Christmas
Preaching to the choir. I am a firm believer and have kept up and increased my activity since dx.
I recently obtained a rower to add to my hikes each day.
That's great, I tried one at my gym when it was open and didn't love it. But then I only go to the gym for weights and prefer to do everything aerobic outside. I do have an actual boat for rowing but it has not gotten as much use as I intended and is a ornament on my deck.
I picked mine up hardly used. Never having tried one, I found a YouTuber, Dark Horse rowing. He is my guide to the workout while I listen to pod casts, music, whatever. Played lots of sports in school. I'm on week 5. Started slow but now starting to push it. Great all body workout without the impact on the body.
Exercise if at all possible. Even getting up and walking a few minutes at a time multiple times during the day is good. And get out in nature if you can. I guess that depends on where you live though 
Lots of studies show that small bits of exercise multiple times a day are better than the weekend warrior type training. Weekend warrior stuff might be detrimental for us, depending on our overall health. Puts a lot of stress on the heart.
I like swimming and that is something that might be a little easier on the bones.
If all you can do is stand while you watch TV, please do it unless you're totally bed bound.
Exercise has been shown in study after study to have protective effects not only against PCa mortality but cardiac mortality and all-cause mortality.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/287...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/158...
There is a J-shaped curve though and if you're doing it for health then don't think more is necessarily better. peterattiamd.com/jamesokeefe/ (I'm a subscriber and 9 studies showing this J-shaped curve are cited.
I keep my weekly exercise between 20 and 45 METs. And calories burned between 1800 and 3600. I’m doing supraphysiological testosterone now (my serum total T is > 3000 ng/dl) so it is easy. However, when I did ADT (I used estrogen patches), my serum T was typically undetectable, and I still followed the same limits. I assume that this is perhaps the main reason why I didn’t have much, if any, fatigue, and I actually lost some fat in the 6 months on ADT.
Some typical activities and the METs associated with them:
health.harvard.edu/staying-...
Kegels are good post-prostatectomy. I did them for a few months and then switched over to just trying to hold it (not very long - I didn't want more problems from holding it). My theory was that functional was perhaps superior. I don't know what was better though. Perhaps Kegels since my incontinence decreased to almost nothing by 3 months time (my urologist at Mayo was happy with my progress). Now it's almost zero but there is some dribble when I do heavy deadlifts. I've learned and wear a pad on DL days.
thanks for sharing this very worthwhile info RSH1
I have not read the studies, I can only say what my lifestyle was and is .Aged 49 ran a bit but sat at a desk sometimes 10 hours a day, ate junk and often late at night on the way home after a meeting it was junk from the train station .
Bang, get T4n1m1a , no more desk , no more junk on the way home and loads more running .
I have run over 10,000 miles in the last 6 years, have run for the last 346 consecutive days between 2 miles and 50 miles, average 7 a day. Diet avoids processed foods, more vegan than it was but still some meat/dairy . I did become vegan for a bit but bone issues , since having small amounts bone issues gone.
Am now 55 and lucky I know that I can do these things, PSA has remained 0.1 for a few years on abiraterone (zytiga) for the last 5 years.
I can only say my story that supports many of the threads on today’s update and mentally I am loving life like never before .
Let’s face it, I had the dodgy gene or lifestyle that gave me pca (as did my late father) so I can only draw my own Conclusions as the docs in the uk amazing as they are only will approve things that have been through massive trials and none of what I do (apart from xytiga of course ) have been . For what it’s worth I also have acupuncture and take 32 Chinese herbs twice a day with reishi mushroom powder .
Inspirational, Kev! Thanks for making your LADbible film and telling your story. All the very best.
Irun wrote >>> " ...Am now 55 and lucky I know that I can do these things, PSA has remained 0.1 for a few years on abiraterone (zytiga) for the last 5 years.
I can only say my story that supports many of the threads on today’s update and mentally I am loving life like never before ... "
Great efforts!!!
Pounding the pavement, or whatever form of exercise one can muster, helps to keep both BODY & MIND in a better place and might very well assist in staving off the unwanted advances of our uninvited guest.
Having the coldest temperatures this morning here in SW FL since January, I MUSTERED Up some personal gumption along with the appropriate clothing and got out at 12:47AM under an almost FULL MOON for a brisk 32.32 mile bicycle ride. Next goal today is to make it to my doctor's appointment in 1.5 hours for my 70.5 year old check-up. Do I drive or bicycle ???? - "THAT IS THE QUESTION" 🙂
Do you take prednisone and Lupron with the zytiga? The zytiga hasn't caused you any side effects?
Hi , yes to both . Side effects? No idea , I have moobs, get hot flushes and lost most body hair after chemo at the start . I get sore joints and muscles but that may be the 60 miles a week I run ?
I struggle to get a good sleep as I need to wee in the night but ultimately I somehow balance all the side effects off with a mental choice , run and get out there or be a victim .
I often feel rubbish first thing but within 5 minutes of running I feel amazing . I also like a hot bath email reward myself with one after a long run. Am writing this from the bath having just run a solo, hilly, muddy, marathon carrying about 10 pounds, no support and no medal at the end but I still did it in 4-45 , I will take that any day !
😀 so inspirational for anyone let alone someone living with APc. Thanks for sharing you
That's fantastic. Keep it up. I used to run in long-distance races and play hockey and stuff like that until around the time I got cancer and then all of a sudden I got angina at the same time somehow and so now I can't really run anymore. I just threw cycling swimming and some elliptical and weight lifting. I do feel like running is one of the best things you can do so as long as you can do it keep doing it find it very impressive what you're doing 💪👍🙏
Thanks for posting! I do exercise and believe in its benefits. I will read the articles posted here.
However, are practicing doctors, including oncologists, are clearly not getting the message.
I have seen 6 oncologists for my condition (metastatic) and when asked whether exercise or anything related to consumption can help with PCa, they have all waved their hand in brusque dismissal. The oncologist at Mayo JAX (and my wife's colon cancer oncologist) were both heavyset.
Practicing doctors are the ones we see for out condition. We don't see doctors like Dr. Oz or Dr. Gregor, medical pundits.
Therein lies the dilemma.
When i was pretreatment for my cancer they assigned me a nurse to guide my actions. I started asking about exercise and eating, even though I've studied nutrition extensively, as well as master fitness trainer in the army and lifelong athlete. After taking to her for a couple minutes, a thought how ridiculous it was too be asking these questions if a 300 point tubalard sitting in the basement of the hospital. She hasn't worked out a day in her life. I agree with your comments completely.
Just keep moving the best you can.
Prior to my Dx I was a "lifetime sportsman". Since getting too old for contact sports I started doing more running and cycling and became particularly involved in long cycling sportives in England. After my dx I can't see the point. I have maybe done 7 half hour sessions on my turbo-trainer THIS YEAR!!!! I don't seem to be able to motivate myself and my Onco doesn't seem to bothered either! I am very busy at work at the moment and that can involve walking well over 10,00 steps as I am an engineer in an automotive factory! I wish I could get out of the rut but I have such little confidence that I will be around long enough for it to matter......
I am not as down-hearted as I may come across as I promise you!
In 2019 I did many multi day ultra marathons, covid stopped them this year , I genuinely believe I will be here longer if I stay fit so that was motivation. First when the marathon des Sables was cancelled I ran it round my back garden, yes 2600 laps, 250k in a week , then I entered a virtual challenge to run 3600k Route 66 so every k counts, it’s been great motivation to me , today is consecutive day 347 of running, and I am over 2500k of the virtual challenge. So I guess I am suggesting you enter a virtual challenge , as for your doc, when I was dx I was told not to run a marathon on chemo. I ran 2 and have run over 10,000 miles in 6 years from diagnosis. My doc now says if the same thing happened he would tell the patient to run as there is so much anecdotal evidence, Maybe a New Years resolution for you, run every day ( 1 mile a day counts as a minimum btw), get that mojo back!
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