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Relieving night (& other) time bladder discomfort !

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Hello readers,

I'm pleased to report early morning and night-time bladder discomfort can be considerably improved by supplementing with commonly available fibre, also known as prebiotics. There may be a number of causes for such bladder discomfort, including a highly abnormal, distorted sleep pattern.

Such fibre is said to be "food" or fertiliser for beneficial gut bacteria, thereby increasing their numbers. Hope this may be of use to others suffering from this specific symptom. This potentially links a poor diversity of gut bacteria to low or inadequate quality of sleep.

As a reply to a recent post I wrote:

"Have to wonder whether bladder discomfort/needing to get up to relieve this, may be eased by: a) psyllium husks and b) chia seeds Both these readily available, natural and inexpensive. Each needs soaking in some water for 30+mins, so they soak up the water, swell & become soft: then just drink ! Could try 2ml of each for a few days, to see what happens, b4 increasing to two such doses per day, depending on effect. Hope that may be of interest, . . . . . and worth trialling for those with bladder discomfort at inconvenient times - like during sleep !

All the best,"

Best wishes to all readers,

Sid ;~)

8 Feb 2019

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Tall_Allen

What has gut bacteria to do with bladder issues?

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Sid_Arthur in reply to Tall_Allen

One might also ask: "what have gut bacteria got to do with sleep quality ?"

A brief answer is that an insufficient diversity of gut bacteria is said to lead to all sorts of acute and chronic conditions, perhaps as one basic requirement or predisposition.

A reduction of the spectrum of gut bacteria ( - our microbiome) has been reported generally in those of us living in the industrialised, more economically developed countries. This is said to correlate rather well with the increases of many previously rare medical conditions, including those that cause long term inflammation.

Plenty of info. on this "microbiome" hypothesis, with clinical data easily found in this information age. One starting point is Martin Blaser's book "Missing Microbes".

What I can say simply is supplementing with psyllium husk & chia seeds does seem to affect quality of sleep, and night-time & early morning bladder discomfort ( - this being significantly reduced, at least in some cases).

All the best,

Sid ;~)

8 Feb 2019

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Tall_Allen in reply to Sid_Arthur

No, I didn't ask about sleep quality, I asked about the relationship between the gut microbiome and bladder issues. Has there been any studies on this? I know there is an entirely separate microbiome in the urinary tract that has very different characteristics from the gut. You are suggesting they interact, which runs counter to what I've read. I'm asking if you've seen actual evidence, or are you just making this up?

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Sid_Arthur in reply to Tall_Allen

You seem to be after some very clear cut studies on the connection between supplementing with fibre, such as psyllium husks and relief from bladder discomfort (BD). Not sure I can help with that.

What I do know is, my BD has been substantially reduced by the type of simple supplementation I've disclosed.

If the gut and the urinary tract microbiomes are "entirely separate" I cannot be sure changes in which account for the relief of BD. The empirical evidence that psyllium, chia (etc. ?) MAY help to alleviate BD, . . . . as well has have effects on other systems like sleep ( - a mainly CNS function ?) in my case does seem sound, and for now remarkably effective. Not making that up, . . . . so do be a little more polite, if you'd really like me to clarify anything I've said.

Sid

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j-o-h-n in reply to Sid_Arthur

polite? what the hell is that?

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Saturday 02/09/2019 2:18 AM EST

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Sid_Arthur in reply to j-o-h-n

Are you making that up J-O-H-N ? ? ? ;~)

North of the border from you, is a place called Canada ( - see Gggle Maps !): Many fine examples of politeness there, from what I know ! Hope you don't suspect any fanciful making up about that !

Let's "drain the swamp" . . . . . and make a gherkin great again !

Sid ;~)

9 Feb 2019

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j-o-h-n in reply to j-o-h-n

See we call the northern part of the US "Upper U S" and we call Canada "Way upper U S".

Old joke:

Kid's working in US supermarket fruit and vegetable section when a very huge guy walks in and is picking out tomatoes and says to the kid "You know that the tomatoes grown in Canada seem larger and nicer". Kid says "Canada? All they have up there is hockey players and prostitutes". Very Huge guy says "Hey watch it my wife is Canadian". Kid says "eh eh... oh what team does she play for?"

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Saturday 02/09/2019 12:12 PM EST

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patandemma

you might be interested in Stanford University Medical School's "THE CENTER FOR HUMA MICROBIOME STUDIES"

iti.stanford.edu/center-for...

If a rx has no significant adverse effects in small doses,e.g.,your use of psyllium/chia seeds,why not give it a try .

I see no reason to have a cow about the absence of multicenter,randomised,double-blind controlled studies about night time bladder discomfort (which will never happen).

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