Suggestions for exercise and diet plans?

[Maleko808]

Hi gang! Looking for suggestions on on home exercise routines and diet plans. Have been walking 10k per day but want to add in strength training. As for diet something that doesn't in McDonalds would be nice😁

[pjoshea13]

When you ask about diet it's like asking about religious & political views.

The tendency after diagnosis is to go to an extreme. Cut fat to <10% (Ornish). Go vegan, vegan + fish, fruitarian, etc, etc.

Dr Myers favors the Mediterranean, which is 40% fat. I'm sure that some have tried low-fat Med & good luck to them. The real Med diet has documented cardiovascular benefit, & it is well-known that men with PCa who don't die of it have increased risk of cardio death. Mark Moyad has rashly said that if it's good for the heart it's good for the prostate & he could be right. When I met Dr Myers in early 2004, he said he was coming up to 5 year survival & was clearly excited by that. Since then he has seen the 10th & 15th fly by & the 20th is due soon. Don't know when he converted to Med but one has to pay attention to long-term survivors who had serious disease.

In the video he talks about the importance of exercise & mentions diet.

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-Patrick

[pjoshea13 in reply to pjoshea13]

See also:

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-Patrick

[Break60 in reply to pjoshea13]

PJ

See my ? Above to Nal re: using Keto to jump start weight loss?

Bob

[TNCanuck]

I'd highly recommend a TRX system for your home workouts. They take up minimal space, are inexpensive and provide a great opportunity for weight-resistance exercise.

[Hidden in reply to TNCanuck]

I checked out the trx online, looks cool.

[TNCanuck in reply to Hidden]

We bought the "travel version" which is a little lighter weight and less expensive, but more than adequate for home use. Here's a super workout to get started ---- you can go at your own pace of course. Good luck! youtube.com/watch?v=RNoS20N...(Not working as expected?)

[Hidden in reply to TNCanuck]

Thank you.🏋🏻‍♀️

[monte1111 in reply to TNCanuck]

How cruel thou art TNCanuck. Picture of a beautiful half naked female on a site populated by men that that can't even possibly do a 1 min workout, much less 30 min. workout. Every word in your description is funny, funny, funny. Hoping you have many, many workouts.

[Break60]

Nal

What do you think about taking Keto at least for awhile to help remove fat build up from adt?

Bob

[Advo__cate in reply to Break60]

My husband is on a therapuetic Keto diet (not the trendy one) with a Paleo twist in real food but not eating any sweetners (raw honey, real maple syrup, etc) except for pure organic stevia. Real food only, no processed foods, no sugar alcohols, etc. It is a lazy keto in that we do not use an app to measure every carb, fat or protein intake. His main source of fat is avocado, coconut, and very little grass-fed butter. He continues with some raw og cheese from time to time. No other milk products. He does eat grass-fed beef in moderation. He has been in ketosis since the start of this diet at diagnosis. His go to are wild-caught sardines as a snack. Keto is a huge commitment.

He had firmagon at dx and then two lupron shots. He had to drop the lupron due to cardiac issues as an adverse effect. After only two shots, still, he was blessed with the Lupron belly...but, maybe not as big as some, I don't know. Weight gain was about 8-10 lbs and holding. Lipids are normal, blood glucose is normal, and systolic BP is creeping to the 140's on Zytiga, which does cause hypertension. He is taking a few herbs to help control the BP (approved by doc) but not sure they are as stong as the effect of the Zytiga. I think the Ketogenic diet has helped him in many ways, but ADT is a beast and I'm not convinced that the metabolic syndrome it causes is equal to the conventional metabolic syndrome. He is not on HB, LIPID, GLUCOSE meds and we think Keto is one tool that has helped him with this issue.

Docs and literature want to say it is the metabolic syndrome that comes with ADT that causes the cardiac issues, but my husband's labs show this is not the case with him.

There is a perspective in cardiology with patients on ADT that the subcutaneous fat over visceral fat from ADT is different than visceral fat alone from the average metabolic syndrome belly. I'm inclined to agree because of the normal lab results my husband is showing. If I were a doc I'd be scratching my head...but they keep writing off his cardiac effects to hypertension.

Anyway, if you go Keto I would suggest going real food and not the trendy weight loss Keto that allow a lot of sugar alcohols and fatty meats. Use avocado oils and such. IMO

[Break60 in reply to Advo__cate]

I was referring to the Keto pill not the Keto diet

[Advo__cate in reply to Break60]

Oh. Sorry.

[Hidden in reply to Advo__cate]

I think he on a great diet.. avocados rule! You really are doing well.

[Advo__cate in reply to Hidden]

thanks for your encouragement. we try.

[Hidden in reply to Advo__cate]

You’re doing it.

[Advo__cate in reply to Break60]

I forgot to mention that we have a nutritionist and alternative practice on my husband's cancer team and they were the one's and M.O. approved that suggested my husband utilize the Keto diet as a tool in his cancer tool box.

[Hidden in reply to Advo__cate]

You are well advised.. more than many of us here. Is he on keto? If so how does he like it? Do you also do it? Take care .Scott..

[Advo__cate in reply to Hidden]

He’s doing fine with it, much better than I thought he would. I struggle with what to make at times, so it is a major change from the norm. I’m not on the Keto diet, it was too high fat for my gallbladder, as much as I can tell.

I follow a low-carb, veg heavy, no dairy, Paleo diet.

[Hidden in reply to Advo__cate]

Do you eat legumes? I eat lentils quinoa, seeds , nuts , and various beans; aztec,mung,amongst other.. Do you ..?

[Advo__cate in reply to Hidden]

Legumes are not on either the Keto or Paleo, but at times I will eat legumes. Nuts and seeds are a staple. We do eat Valencia peanut butter since it is the only peanut that is not prone to mold. Quinoa was part of our diet for time but on Keto it was dropped.

We will eat low carb black bean pasta from time to time, Costco has it.

[Hidden in reply to Advo__cate]

That’s a good pasta. Didn’t know about the mold. Turns out that’s what we eat also... Enjoy your evening .. Thank you.

[Maleko808 in reply to Advo__cate]

How about zuddles, zucchini noodles or cauliflower rice? We do those, even make ham fried rice with the rice veggies. Havent tried the black bean pasta but will take a look. Added more fish, less red meat. Trying to stay lower carb (not under 20gms but close) . Although I still have a hankering for a bowl of ice cream now and then.

[Advo__cate in reply to Maleko808]

Cauliflower rice is a staple for us. Zucchini noodles are fine but he has to watch the carbs and it can add quickly. You can make coconut milk ice cream with pure stevia (not mixed with dextrose or other sweetners). We use almond/coconut flour to make muffins and such. Stevia is an acquired taste but tastebuds change and he loves it now, not so much the first few weeks.

[monte1111]

I love a whopper washed down with pepsi and a splash of whiskey. Please address all hate mail to Dead Man Walking.

[j-o-h-n in reply to monte1111]

to Dead Man Walking:

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I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you I hate you

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BTW whatabout the fries?

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Tuesday 11/13/2018 6:03 PM EST

[Maleko808 in reply to j-o-h-n]

Yeah, fries are a must.

[Maleko808 in reply to monte1111]

Dear dead man walking. And you forgot the Coke!

[Maleko808 in reply to Maleko808]

Instead of pepsi... let the debate begin!

[Hidden in reply to monte1111]

Or forward it to the green mile.

[Hidden]

I advocate a gym membership which would provide you access to all manner of weight training machines and stairclimbers and whatnot. If you don't have that available I would suggest a search of YouTube videos. I've been there looking for stretching advice but I'm sure there are plenty of videos on exercises you can do at home with or without weights. Good luck. My medicare insurance plan provides me with something called "silver sneakers" -- free membership and visits to the fitness place that participates. It's nice and it gets me out of the house.

[j-o-h-n in reply to Hidden]

"it's nice and it gets me out of the house".

Your wife's sentiments also. 😁😁😁

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Tuesday 11/13/2018 6:07 PM EST

[Hidden in reply to j-o-h-n]

How did you know?

[Break60 in reply to Hidden]

I totally agree. It’s too easy to cheat working at home .

[Maleko808 in reply to Hidden]

Ooo, good call. I'm checking on the silver sneakers thing. Maybe my employer will foot the membership. Never hurts to look

[Hidden]

What’s the point of any of us arguing with each other?

[Hidden]

Horrible thing to happen for all affected. No words.

[Hidden]

That is Terrible Nal.. reminds me of when Eric Clapton’s young beloved son fell of the balcony of his Manhattan high rise. Thus his song “Tears in heaven”” heartbreaking for your urologist that’ you’ve always highly praised... none of us can complain upon hearing this news.. May he survive this nightmare.. sorry about .... like any of us are in “Charge” of anything.... I’m crying , totally humbling.. F###! my loss in nothing in comparison to your Dr. And Friend.. Lord have Mecry on us all!! Take care Nal...

[DD50]

Reading:

I just started: "Thrive Don't Only Survive" by Dr Geo Espinosa is for prostate cancer specifically. It covers his version of supplementation, diet and exercise. I can't give it my personal opinion review yet.

"My Battle Against Cancer" by Guy Tenenbaum, who BEAT metastatic prostate cancer. His book is free on Kindle. He was VERY disciplined about fasting, OMAD, and diet. There are some Youtube interviews of him with Dr Berg. Yes, I know that interview by a chiropractor may get some eye rolls in here, but Guy Tenebaum went from terminal palliative case to cancer free. Maybe he got lucky, maybe God just smiled on him, but there's got to be some nuggets of truth in there somewhere that we can learn from, there's a crap ton we don't know yet about autophogy and so on.