I drank a ton of this stuff and it did not do a damn thing...my grandfather drank a quart of Jim Beam a day and swore it cured his mCRPC...he died in a back alley with a redhead under each arm...I think I am gonna try that
Gus
New Study on Pomegranite Juice - Advanced Prostate...
New Study on Pomegranite Juice
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It says that it does not result in decreased levels of PSA. Is this a key finding?
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Does it say it increases it? Maybe it's fighting it t a draw.
Studies have suggested the whole pomegranate fruit, as well as its juice and oil, as promising chemopreventive/chemotherapeutic agents, as they exert anti-inflammatory, anti-proliferative, and anti-tumorigenic effects by modulating multiple signaling pathways.
This is one of three supplements I take. I don't drink it. It's hard to determine the authors' opinion on pomegranate in a pill.
And yes, the last sentence is troublesome. But it's just one study.
Would love to hear Nalakrats opinion on Pomegranate.
Pretty much a digest of prior findings on the fruit and juice, kind of a hard read, but lots of info. But does seem that the pomegranite does have some effect on various cancers. One study shows a positive on effect PSA doubling times, another study refutes this. Thanks for posting this. First time I've actually seen this much in depth info all put together. And I well remember my first (and last) Jim Beam experience back in the Army, never again.
How do you know know it hasn't done a damn thing? Why people post "scare" articles is beyond me. Your still alive right? What makes you think that pomegranate juice in some way has done nothing for you for? Did you ever stop to think that it may very well help in an indirect way, leaving more killer cells to fight your cancer?
You need to change your log on name to grim reaper. It appears to me that you're becoming bitter and mentally defeated, allowing your cancer to control your mind. A positive mental attitude works just as well as any drug mankind has ever stumbled across in a laboratory. Try it sometime as opposed to posting gloom and doom links. Why don't you send us all handguns so we can "get it over with"? After all, according to you, nothing works and everything is wrong. Try treating your entire body including your attitude and you just might find that you will beat back the beast within you.
gusgold in reply to
what is scary about pomegranite juice, you cretin..you don't even have a name..my rec is you should pull the trigger
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So your telling me to kill myself. What a hero you are, faceless little punk, How about you go fuck yourself asshole? You have zero life,Mr. limp dick, so you you get off scaring people on this site. Your nothing more than a little punk afraid to die. I'm guessing I will get booted off this site site for exposing your worthless ass. Ya know what? You need to look in the mirror when you call someone a cretin, asshole. Now go crawl back in your hole and wait to die while other enjoy life, your worthless babble no longer exists in my world. To bad a blocking option doesn't exist here.
gusgold in reply to
Real tough talk keyboard warrior...the blocking option does exist...PTBTYHAPTH ...(put the barrel to your head and pull the trigger)
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" What makes you think that pomegranate juice in some way has done nothing for you for?"
Peer reviewed research.
If we ate based on all the rumors and possibilities posted on the internet, we'd have no room left in our stomachs for the real deal, aka honest, natural, unprocessed food.
I was called a grim reaper for violating the unspoken ban on side effects in another PC forum over a decade ago. People just didn't want to hear about the unpleasantries of cancer treatments, and many guys there and then denied having them. "Oh, I'm fine on ADT. It's the greatest thing since squeeze-bottle pizza. La La La La La (with fingers in ears.)"
Until I conducted a poll of their lives on ADT, that is. I forget the actual numbers, but the majority had what most people would call pretty severe SEs. The loudest denier had to admit that he was bed-bound 20 hours a day by fatigue and had to sit down and rest after climbing a flight of stairs. Most had lost all desire and ability to have sex (one of those was a young man with a new young randy bride. ) Another man's oncologist had no clue his patient would be driven by his ADT to diabetes ("I've never heard of that". Umm ... it was in PC 101, ya clown.)
Today, thank goodness, many oncologists are advising us to consider SEs FIRST when choosing treatment for their reeocurring PC, "because the outcomes aren't sufficiently different to base a choice on them." (Scholz, for one, and since then others have echoed his sentiments.) Yes, some late stage drugs have surfaced since then, but they aren't intended for CS stage treatments, so don't have a big bearing -- yet -- on that advice.
I wanna ... no, I demand to ... know every drug and supplement's benefits and significant SEs, their effects, their cures, and their individual likelihoods before making my treatment decisions. Those are vital to those of us to whom QOL is vital to our choices. Anyone whose sole criterion is maximum length of life may be happier just not reading SE literature.
But on second thought, that would deny him the vital fact that many PC treatments can cause even worse diseases like diabetes, heart disease, dementia, and more. i.e., they take the PC tx mantra too far: "Keep us alive until something else kills us first."
Be careful what you ask for.
The same goes for supplements, because since we can't consume them all, we need to find out which ones are most likely to actually help. That includes finding out which ones are not likely to help, likely not to help, and likely to do harm. The latest pomegranate study fell into the middle category, at least. Adding its sugar content pushes it into the third category for most of us bloated Americans.
Tommyj2 in reply to
I’m glad you are not a researcher….. “no evidence of efficacy but my positive attitude suggests that maybe it’s helping in ways we are just not yet seeing”. Cheery but not helpful.
Pomegranite juice ..... Lots of sugar
Nal,
your Grandfather was pretty smart..just read where Jewish rye bread prevents diabetes...and horseradish, garlic, and hot peppers have all shown anti-cancer benefits
Gus
Thanks Nalakrats
Saw that in a medical newsletter a couple of months ago. Dang glad I didn't choke down the sorry-tasting stuff, even if for no other reason than that all by itself it exceeds my daily carbohydrate budget. "Funny" how few -- if any -- of these these nutrition/supplement theories work out in trials.
gusgold in reply to
I have the opposite problem..so many have articles proclaiming anti-cancer benefits but I have never taken one that lowered my PSA...on a ton of supplements my PSA went from <.1 to .3....I took 50mg Casodex and in 30 days .3 to .1
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But Casodex has onerous SEs which must be offset somehow. One, as you know, is bone loss. It's most severe during the first year, and lifting weights is not sufficient to halt or reverse the loss. That takes bone impact. I've taken two measures to fight that threat:
• I've asked a carefully chosen gym trainer and team coach to lay out a program to impact my bones with minimal threat to my joints.
• I got a baseline DEXA scan to measure my bone density before starting ADT. That way we can quantify my bone loss to determine whether I need further treatment. The usual treatment for that is bisphosphonates, which bring their own nasty SEs to the party. I'd much rather huff and puff and sweat a bit than keep adding layers of drugs chasing SEs. There's no limit to that, and it's why all my doctors raise their eyebrows and interrogate me when I say I take no prescription drugs. My answer? "You see my records. What drugs do you suggest?"
"Umm ... never mind."
Of course, that list will hit a dozen if I add Leibowitz's dozen-drug cocktails next month.
I would not recommend the juice because its too high in sugar and lacking. All the beneficial elements are in the arils, seeds, and pith. You want it all.
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